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Quarantine Chimp
Nov 17, 2007
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Call it politics of envy if you like, but this whole jobkeeper rort was f’ed on so many levels it is sickening.


tl;dr ineligible hugely profitable multi-billion company hits up the government for jobkeeper and gets a fast-track OK by running it through a profitable subsidiary which was *forecast* to reduce turnover - not actual, but forecast - but which continued to increase turnover and profit.

It's so good of them to voluntarily pay back just over half the money they effectively stole, but are keeping the rest as they have no legal obligation to do so.
 

Dry Rot

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Christian Porter, Federal Attorney General and alleged rapist, claims that there is no rule of law if there is an investigation and he is called up to prove his innocence about an alleged incident many years ago which lacks evidence or proof today, because he claims he is being effectively presumed guilty.

Christian Porter, former Social Security Minister, designed the Robodebt system, whereby the accused are said to be guilty over alleged incidents many years ago, not provided with evidence or proof and they have to prove their innocence because they are presumed guilty. And the penalties start immediately.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Ditto the irony.

Biggest campaigner in parliament. And that is really, really saying something.
 

FRUMPY

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Call it politics of envy if you like, but this whole jobkeeper rort was f’ed on so many levels it is sickening.


tl;dr ineligible hugely profitable multi-billion company hits up the government for jobkeeper and gets a fast-track OK by running it through a profitable subsidiary which was *forecast* to reduce turnover - not actual, but forecast - but which continued to increase turnover and profit.

It's so good of them to voluntarily pay back just over half the money they effectively stole, but are keeping the rest as they have no legal obligation to do so.
Yeah anytime you see 'they applied under special circumstances' or 'had a meeting with the ATO' - fair chance they've swindled their way into it somehow.....$$$ or something else.
 

PenfoldsFan

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Scumbag organisation who hold you accountable but never admit fault themselves.
We have young children and receive family tax benefit and as is the norm every year, after doing our tax returns they reconcilliate and balance it.
As a habit we always over estimate our income to avoid a debt.
Last year my Wife went to the local office and whilst there was told she would be receiving almost 8k. She questioned this as it had never been anywhere near that much and after checking again was told it was correct, 2 days later it turned up in her account.
Fast forward to early January this year and she receives a letter saying we owe them almost 8k and pay up.
So we head down the office, nope not interested call this number.
2 hours later we'd been accused of underestimating as id changed mine 3 times, i said thats because my income changed, i went from working, to out of a job when COVID hit and a month later on to Jobkeeper so i adjusted accordingly and accurately, what more can you do.
Then they said my Wifes tax return was submitted late so they didnt get notification from ATO, nope, tax return submitted on 2/7 day after mine and finalised in 17/7.
Then they said they paid her the 8k because she hadnt worked in that financial year, nope, you dont do tax returns if you dont work.
It was then that the penny dropped, they did the reconcilliation without receiving one of the two triggers their system uses, either confirmation from ATO of tax return finalised or notification of being a non lodger.
I asked why that would happen as its never happened before, their answer, dont know, you can lodge a review of decision but as you werent entitled to the money you'll still have to pay it back regardless of how you got it.
So there you go, we did nothing wrong, were accused of doing everything wrong and when pushed to admit it was their mistake, washed their hands of it and said pay up.
I dont have a problem paying it back, we shouldnt have received it, but fair dinkum, own your mistake and stop treating people like criminals.
 

FRUMPY

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Scumbag organisation who hold you accountable but never admit fault themselves.
We have young children and receive family tax benefit and as is the norm every year, after doing our tax returns they reconcilliate and balance it.
As a habit we always over estimate our income to avoid a debt.
Last year my Wife went to the local office and whilst there was told she would be receiving almost 8k. She questioned this as it had never been anywhere near that much and after checking again was told it was correct, 2 days later it turned up in her account.
Fast forward to early January this year and she receives a letter saying we owe them almost 8k and pay up.
So we head down the office, nope not interested call this number.
2 hours later we'd been accused of underestimating as id changed mine 3 times, i said thats because my income changed, i went from working, to out of a job when COVID hit and a month later on to Jobkeeper so i adjusted accordingly and accurately, what more can you do.
Then they said my Wifes tax return was submitted late so they didnt get notification from ATO, nope, tax return submitted on 2/7 day after mine and finalised in 17/7.
Then they said they paid her the 8k because she hadnt worked in that financial year, nope, you dont do tax returns if you dont work.
It was then that the penny dropped, they did the reconcilliation without receiving one of the two triggers their system uses, either confirmation from ATO of tax return finalised or notification of being a non lodger.
I asked why that would happen as its never happened before, their answer, dont know, you can lodge a review of decision but as you werent entitled to the money you'll still have to pay it back regardless of how you got it.
So there you go, we did nothing wrong, were accused of doing everything wrong and when pushed to admit it was their mistake, washed their hands of it and said pay up.
I dont have a problem paying it back, we shouldnt have received it, but fair dinkum, own your mistake and stop treating people like criminals.
Yep its never their fault - and the whole system of finding out way things happens is impossible. They want you to contact them but no-one ever wants to hear from you and handball it to another person who doesnt want to handle it. Its the way with all government departments.

Luckily you hadnt spent the money. To anyone out there, things like Family Tax Benefit or other benefits, if it sounds way to good to be true, it probably is and youre best not to spend it for the first 6-12 months as, like in this case above, they'll work out they f’ed up and come a-knocking.
 

SaintsSeptember

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Scumbag organisation who hold you accountable but never admit fault themselves.
We have young children and receive family tax benefit and as is the norm every year, after doing our tax returns they reconcilliate and balance it.
As a habit we always over estimate our income to avoid a debt.
Last year my Wife went to the local office and whilst there was told she would be receiving almost 8k. She questioned this as it had never been anywhere near that much and after checking again was told it was correct, 2 days later it turned up in her account.
Fast forward to early January this year and she receives a letter saying we owe them almost 8k and pay up.
So we head down the office, nope not interested call this number.
2 hours later we'd been accused of underestimating as id changed mine 3 times, i said thats because my income changed, i went from working, to out of a job when COVID hit and a month later on to Jobkeeper so i adjusted accordingly and accurately, what more can you do.
Then they said my Wifes tax return was submitted late so they didnt get notification from ATO, nope, tax return submitted on 2/7 day after mine and finalised in 17/7.
Then they said they paid her the 8k because she hadnt worked in that financial year, nope, you dont do tax returns if you dont work.
It was then that the penny dropped, they did the reconcilliation without receiving one of the two triggers their system uses, either confirmation from ATO of tax return finalised or notification of being a non lodger.
I asked why that would happen as its never happened before, their answer, dont know, you can lodge a review of decision but as you werent entitled to the money you'll still have to pay it back regardless of how you got it.
So there you go, we did nothing wrong, were accused of doing everything wrong and when pushed to admit it was their mistake, washed their hands of it and said pay up.
I dont have a problem paying it back, we shouldnt have received it, but fair dinkum, own your mistake and stop treating people like criminals.
Took us several years to realise it wasn't worth the buggering around, and to claim it with the tax return instead of getting centerlink payments.
The alternative is to duct tape a phone to your head.
 

PenfoldsFan

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Yep its never their fault - and the whole system of finding out way things happens is impossible. They want you to contact them but no-one ever wants to hear from you and handball it to another person who doesnt want to handle it. Its the way with all government departments.

Luckily you hadnt spent the money. To anyone out there, things like Family Tax Benefit or other benefits, if it sounds way to good to be true, it probably is and youre best not to spend it for the first 6-12 months as, like in this case above, they'll work out they f’ed up and come a-knocking.
Unfortunately Frumpy we did spend it as she was reassured that it was correct, now we have to make repayments every fortnight for about 2 years and they said they'll take her tax returns too which is the worst part as we usually use our returns for any larger household purchases, they've basically put us in financial hardship and have zero remorse.
If the shoe were on the other foot and we stuffed up they'd be all over us with threats of fraud.
Im hearing it happened to others too, the cynic in me thinks it was deliberately done to inject cash into the economy as it was opening up and now they want to balance their books its time to call it in.
 

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Quarantine Chimp
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Figments in an idealogue's head, I think.

Having said that, I spoke to my mum today and she started frothing at the mouth over Jacinda Ardern - "thrusting her teeth into the camera all the time, I wish I could punch it through the screen" - the Nationals f’ed over New Zealand for many years but mum will still vote for them come what may.

Maybe there's more like her over here that have drunk deeply of the neocon kool-aid and believe the anti-welfare rhetoric?
 

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Quarantine Chimp
Nov 17, 2007
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Hopefully you get the cheese gig.
Thanks, but didn't hear anything more about it. JSP got me all revved up about working for an environmental company, on the road visiting building sites and taking soil samples, documenting them and taking them back to be tested. Heard nothing for a week and a half, chased up the JSP, heard back this morning that the soil samples was only part of the job, it was a labouring position mainly climbing into roof spaces and testing for asbestos, and was I still interested?

Yeah, sure, lets get a fat, inflexible, unfit late-50s guy to don full hazmat gear, squeeze through manholes and crawl about in your roof. :thumbsu:

Shits me because the whole soil testing lark was very interesting and something I was keen to do.

ITT: OTP cements his reputation as a dole bludging job snob
 

yodellinhank

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Oct 22, 2008
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Thanks, but didn't hear anything more about it. JSP got me all revved up about working for an environmental company, on the road visiting building sites and taking soil samples, documenting them and taking them back to be tested. Heard nothing for a week and a half, chased up the JSP, heard back this morning that the soil samples was only part of the job, it was a labouring position mainly climbing into roof spaces and testing for asbestos, and was I still interested?

Yeah, sure, lets get a fat, inflexible, unfit late-50s guy to don full hazmat gear, squeeze through manholes and crawl about in your roof. :thumbsu:

Shits me because the whole soil testing lark was very interesting and something I was keen to do.

ITT: OTP cements his reputation as a dole bludging job snob
That's a bit sh*t. At least the JSP providing some avenues, back when i was on a new start allowance mine didn't do anything like that. Every job I've ever had, except my current, was thanks to a footy club.

Could you get into soil testing for new home builds? Paid those guys too much to tell me nothing much just recently. Seems it would be pretty easy coin if you could get it.
 

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Quarantine Chimp
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"You could live like a king or queen in regional Australia with, you know, five bedrooms, three bathrooms, three-car garage, huge backyard — all those things at a fraction of the price that you could, living in a boxed apartment, in a terraced house or whatever, in Melbourne or Sydney," he said.
He also said life in regional Australia promised shorter trips to work.
"I grew up on a family farm, it was the best lifestyle I could have had," Mr McCormack said.
"I'm so glad that I wasn't waiting for dad or mum to come home from work, be stuck in traffic for two hours every day and be a latchkey kid, I was very fortunate."

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SaintsSeptember

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"You could live like a king or queen in regional Australia with, you know, five bedrooms, three bathrooms, three-car garage, huge backyard — all those things at a fraction of the price that you could, living in a boxed apartment, in a terraced house or whatever, in Melbourne or Sydney," he said.
He also said life in regional Australia promised shorter trips to work.
"I grew up on a family farm, it was the best lifestyle I could have had," Mr McCormack said.
"I'm so glad that I wasn't waiting for dad or mum to come home from work, be stuck in traffic for two hours every day and be a latchkey kid, I was very fortunate."

Margaret River's beauty hides homeless disaster as property prices boom
Simone's house option shrinks to caravan size, as rental stress bites in regional Victoria
Regional house prices soaring due to COVID exodus from cities but some locals now living in cars
Regional housing markets soar, outperforming capital cities for first time since 2004
Its fake.
Australia is full of underutilised land.
They regulate how much is available for building, and if demand outstrips supply the price goes up.

And i'm not sure what happens for foreign investment. Maybe stamp duty should be waived for Australians, and increased threefold for overseas investors.
 

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