Changes for 3rd Test v India

[JG22]

It might just be me but Cummins has rarely impressed me in any of the games I've watched. Gets a lot of cheap wickets with the white ball when the batsmen go the tonk at the back end of the innings. Also bowls a lot of pies. Pattinson would have been a better gamble IMO

Pattinson who went at something like 11 an over in the big bash?
It's irrelevant to red ball cricket.

He's played one game and he took 8/100.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Two bowlers who you would always need insurance picks for: Cummins and Pattinson.

So that's Stoinis in the team. I can't say he's any worse a pick than Mitch Marsh. Smith may not bowl him at all either.

I reckon he can play spin though, so that's in his favour I guess.

I dont necessarily think that makes stoinis the option. It's a risk if he breaks down you just fall back in your spin.

When Daniel Riccardos Red Bull breaks down he doesn't jump into his Mazda 3 and keep racing.

Stoinis isn't taking many wickets over there so if Cummins does go down it won't make any difference.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Was looking through the CricInfo stats for FC in Australia this season... look who is stone-cold last on the list;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...er.html?class=4;host=2;id=2016/17;type=season

(Granted, there is a cut-off)

Oh well, at least he can bowl a bit

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...er.html?class=4;host=2;id=2016/17;type=season

Ooops

 

[PoopingHindi]

i dont like the Cummins pick.
not because i dont think he's good enough, just because i dont think he's ready. the same applies to Pattinson.

Stoinis on the other hand is a complete ****ing mystery to me. apparently his bowling got him over the line...great, just like Mennies batting got him over the line

 

[damochandler]

Pattinson who went at something like 11 an over in the big bash?
It's irrelevant to red ball cricket.

He's played one game and he took 8/100.

Pattinson has played 3 matches and taken 14 wickets. He's at least got match practice in. Like the selectors seems everyone has gone stary eyed at the sight of one match from cummins and think he'll just be masterful and win us the series

 

[The Offerman]

Maxwell in for Marsh, Bird in for Starc

With Starc gone for the series I think that 5th bowler becomes a requirement again. Hence why I've picked Maxwell.

Bird in for Starc should be expected. Cummins not near enough long format cricket behind him to be selected imo

When was the last time Maxwell bowled at International level?

 

[damochandler]

People talk about pace is what they need over there. Starc only took 5 wickets and he was struggling

 

[PoopingHindi]

When was the last time Maxwell bowled at International level?

the way Smith uses the 5th bowler if he ends up getting more than 8 overs it probably means that India have made 600+ and we're screwed anyway.
surely Maxwell is capable of bowling 8 overs at round about 4 an over

actually now that i think about it Smith could probably do that himself, or just about anyone for that matter...why the hell are we playing an all-rounder?

 

[BRAB]

Cummins has been picked to win us a test match.

He will deliver. As has been foretold

 

[getgaff]

When was the last time Maxwell bowled at International level?

Over the ODI summer. Certainly bowled more regularly at international level of late than Khawaja, Agar and Cummins for starters

 

[SherbertLemon]

People talk about pace is what they need over there. Starc only took 5 wickets and he was struggling

Can I just congratulate you for not mentioning sand and a beach.

 

[damochandler]

Can I just congratulate you for not mentioning sand and a beach.

I try

 

[StingBitten]

Incredible roll of the dice here, could pay massive dividends or blow up in our face.

There feels like an element of the unknown with Cummins selection, something that completely took India aback in the first test with O'Keefe and Renshaw.

I think a bowler like Behrendorff may be durable, but the Aussies would prefer another 8/50 scenario, even if the flip side of that is 0/200.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

To all those people who have whinged an whined about NSW cricketers being handed a baggy green with their baggy blue......today is the proof you are wrong.

Exhibit A..... Mathew Wade was picked.....no recent first class runs......questionable keeping.....since his inclusion he has shown little improvement, whilst the keeper he dethroned in Peter Nevill has been reeling off runs ad nauseum.

Exhibit B...Glen Maxwell was picked for the India Tour.....again....no recent first class runs of note, and hadn't made a first class ton in nearly 3 years, yet somehow deserved to be rewarded for zero effort

Now we have Exhibit C.......Marcus Stoinis....averaging 17 with the bat in FC cricket this year...apparently his 'bowling' ( i use the term loosely) has got him over the line....cos hey we really don't need extra bats on up and down subcontinental decks that turn perpendicular.

Add to that a number of other questionable failed Victorian test picks over the past decade.....Hastings....Quiney....the list goes on. In fact statistically you are more likely to be picked for the Australian Test Team if you played for Victoria or Tasmania over the past 5-10 years.

and so the myth is dead....

 

[SherbertLemon]

To all those people who have whinged an whined about NSW cricketers being handed a baggy green with their baggy blue......today is the proof you are wrong.

Exhibit A..... Mathew Wade was picked.....no recent first class runs......questionable keeping.....since his inclusion he has shown little improvement, whilst the keeper he dethroned in Peter Nevill has been reeling off runs ad nauseum.

Exhibit B...Glen Maxwell was picked for the India Tour.....again....no recent first class runs of note, and hadn't made a first class ton in nearly 3 years, yet somehow deserved to be rewarded for zero effort

Now we have Exhibit C.......Marcus Stoinis....averaging 17 with the bat in FC cricket this year...apparently his 'bowling' ( i use the term loosely) has got him over the line....cos hey we really don't need extra bats on up and down subcontinental decks that turn perpendicular.

Add to that a number of other questionable failed Victorian test picks over the past decade.....Hastings....Quiney....the list goes on. In fact statistically you are more likely to be picked for the Australian Test Team if you played for Victoria or Tasmania over the past 5-10 years.

and so the myth is dead....

I agree that the bias thing is silly. But how do you explain the Maddison selection? A Mark Waugh "special"?

 

[JG22]

Pattinson has played 3 matches and taken 14 wickets. He's at least got match practice in. Like the selectors seems everyone has gone stary eyed at the sight of one match from cummins and think he'll just be masterful and win us the series

Pattinson has had a few setbacks in the last few months, Cummins has been good

 

[Van_Dyke]

I agree that the bias thing is silly. But how do you explain the Maddison selection? A Mark Waugh "special"?

Maddinson being a player of potential that CA have liked for years, coming off a relatively recent ton in a game where most batsman struggled.

 

[ROOTA#6]

People talk about pace is what they need over there. Starc only took 5 wickets and he was struggling

Extreme pace on the wickets that are being dished up is a but of a double edged sword. If the bowler is slightly off it makes scoring much easier

 

[Hamingja]

Stoinis on the other hand is a complete ******* mystery to me. apparently his bowling got him over the line...great, just like Mennies batting got him over the line

I know Henriques hasn't bowled much the last 12 months because of injury but one of the quotes I read was that they preferred Stoinis to Henriques because Stoinis was the better bowler.

Computer says hell ****ing no.

Henriques would be about on par with Mitch Marsh with the ball, Stoinis comparison would be Mike Hussey.

With the bat Henriques is averaging 65, Cartwright 41, Faulkner 30 and Stoinis 17.

Even if they have to have an all rounder rather than a genuine batsman and you have no choice to pick a batsman instead, Stoinis makes zero sense.

 

[Run n Spread]

Update: With Starc out I'd go:
Out Starc, M Marsh
In: Bird, Khawaja

Still backing the 4 bowlers in.

Personally if fit would've gone Siddle. I guess with the Cummins one they figure may as well play him late in the season to have him fit for the Ashes and if he breaks down at least he has Winter off. Too risky imo. As a minimum should've finished this year and played the first few games next year before even been considered.

 

[damochandler]

If he doesn't play he's stuck in India no chance of actually playing any cricket anywhere else. Just stupid

 

[Hamingja]

From the squad they have assembled has to be Cummins and Maxwell in for mine.

 

[Run n Spread]

If he doesn't play he's stuck in India no chance of actually playing any cricket anywhere else. Just stupid

Reckon he will play.

Who would've you gone with? If you go with Bird whoever else is just there in case of injury.

Would Sayers have got a look in? I know he is a swing bowler but can he reverse it/bowl stump to stump? Thou it looks like that ship as sailed and having him round the squad for so long without playing would do his head in.

 

[STFU Donnie]

To all those people who have whinged an whined about NSW cricketers being handed a baggy green with their baggy blue......today is the proof you are wrong.

Exhibit A..... Mathew Wade was picked.....no recent first class runs......questionable keeping.....since his inclusion he has shown little improvement, whilst the keeper he dethroned in Peter Nevill has been reeling off runs ad nauseum.

Exhibit B...Glen Maxwell was picked for the India Tour.....again....no recent first class runs of note, and hadn't made a first class ton in nearly 3 years, yet somehow deserved to be rewarded for zero effort

Now we have Exhibit C.......Marcus Stoinis....averaging 17 with the bat in FC cricket this year...apparently his 'bowling' ( i use the term loosely) has got him over the line....cos hey we really don't need extra bats on up and down subcontinental decks that turn perpendicular.

Add to that a number of other questionable failed Victorian test picks over the past decade.....Hastings....Quiney....the list goes on. In fact statistically you are more likely to be picked for the Australian Test Team if you played for Victoria or Tasmania over the past 5-10 years.

and so the myth is dead....

Open your eyes Dude. Of course they're going to pick Vics when out of form. That way when they fail, they can say "we gave them a chance, but they didn't grasp it". Heaven forbid they give them an opportunity to actually succeed.

 

[roo eater85]

where is hog? why don't they bring in hog?