Changes for the 3rd Test

[roscreasl98]

How is he the best man for the job. Other than today's knock he hasn't been going gangbusters this season

Because he's proven he can bat for long periods, is very patient, makes 100's. And for the 3rd time, he has made pressure runs . The Shield Final. Is the perfect foil for Warner also.

 

[vicpride]

I love the idea of a 20yo in the team. If he is a prodigy let's go for him. Is he a young Martyn or Pointing? Talent wise?

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[damochandler]

Renshaw hasn't played this season yet...How would his average be if he was apart of QLDs capitulation against Victoria last game?



44 actually v 41

Personally don't think either is ready yet, but there really isn't anything between them other than age and hype...

Renshaw scored a ton today and I haven't said he should be picked and before today's innings dean had 3 failures

 

[bird_man]

Surely people aren't "convinced" that he's a Test batsman from such a little sample size of innings, though? He's barely played more than a season's worth of Shield cricket.



Or it could be that he's just not yet as good as some people thought or hoped.

He's a good example why you shouldn't select someone for the Test side based on such a small sample size of good form.

I was replying to the guy that said Dean is the best man for the job, he's played a similar amount of games as Renshaw. There is no obvious choice there IMO. It would be great if Marsh wasn't injured but he is and Burns is in terrible form so there's a decision to be made.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We really need 2 of these threads.

One for the even remotely plausible and realistic changes.
And another for the ridiculous Big Footy fantasies where half the team gets changed with about 4 blokes debuting.

Of course the first would probably have barely any posts...

How do you know half the team won't get replaced?

You'd think Handscomb comes in for Voges.
Doesn't looks like Marsh will be fit... will that be enough to save Burns (who failed today)
Serious question marks over Nevill. Will he fail tomorrow or not.
Will they retain Mennie or bring in Bird/Sayers

Frankly, there's about 6-7 spots that aren't secure. Still quite feasible there's a few changes

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I haven't seen Renshaw bat at all. Is it true that he's a bit of a fatso who's not yet fully serious about his cricket?

If so, get him in there!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Credit to Handscomb getting runs now, when all eyes are on him and a spot is up for grabs. Plenty would crumble under the weight of expectations.

 

[Stopher]

So including last season's Shield final, these are Handscomb's last 11 FC scores:

112, 61*, 4, 14, 137, 87, 24, 78, 10, 60, 110* - Av. 77.44

Between those numbers, the Australian batting struggles and Adam Voges' current situation, plus the fact the next Test is effectively a dead rubber, he's got to be picked for Adelaide, surely?

Looking at those numbers, what I like about the centuries is the manner in which he scored them:


- 112 scored in a Shield final whilst chasing down a decent 340 by South Australia. Crucially, being the away team, Victoria had to force the issue to ensure a result.

- 137 scored after being made captain of Australia A against South Africa A.

- 110* scored against a very good NSW attack. On top of that, there was always going to be extra pressure to perform with spots in the Australian team up for grabs after the recent Hobart debacle.


In short, it's not just that he's making runs, but he is also doing it in big moments. A good sign.

 

[roscreasl98]

I haven't seen Renshaw bat at all. Is it true that he's a bit of a fatso who's not yet fully serious about his cricket?

If so, get him in there!

Could be the next Greg Ritchie.

 

[damochandler]

I haven't seen Renshaw bat at all. Is it true that he's a bit of a fatso who's not yet fully serious about his cricket?

If so, get him in there!

Looks to have a solid build

 

[Voice of the G]

3 days to go in these shield games so a little early for me making selections at this stage,really looking forward to the NSW v Vict game.You would think Victoria would need 500 runs against that powerful NSW batting line up and will be interesting to see how Wade and Maxwell go when I say quick runs and whether O"Keefe and Lyon can get amongst the wickets.

Looks a good batting track but perhaps will take spin as the match rolls in and will be real interesting to see how Holland goes for Victoria with his spin bowling and Maddinson and Patterson for NSW with the bat.

PS.If Dean goes on and makes a big 100 he must be considered,batted all day and a chanceless innings.

 

[damochandler]

Could be the next Greg Ritchie.

doubt he'll turn into an unfunny flog being adored by the governor

 

[Kram]

How do you know half the team won't get replaced?

You'd think Handscomb comes in for Voges.
Doesn't looks like Marsh will be fit... will that be enough to save Burns (who failed today)
Serious question marks over Nevill. Will he fail tomorrow or not.
Will they retain Mennie or bring in Bird/Sayers

Frankly, there's about 6-7 spots that aren't secure. Still quite feasible there's a few changes

So for Adelaide that's like 3 guys max then, how is that half the team?

 

[The Passenger]

Because he's proven he can bat for long periods, is very patient, makes 100's. And for the 3rd time, he has made pressure runs . The Shield Final. Is the perfect foil for Warner also.

Renshaw has batted for long periods too. 250 balls and 390 balls in his two big tons.

If Dean goes even bigger tomorrow it'll be hard to ignore but shield final aside, he had a very poor finish to the shield season, scored 1 run in 3 innings for Australia A and started this season poorly.

We don't have much to go on with these blokes (and I've never seen either bat) but Renshaw's form to finish 15/16, Australia A games and tonning up today is stronger then Dean. Including today he averages about 44 in his last 7 games and has made a start (got to 20) in all bar 3 innings.

Even including his ton today Dean's average in his last 10 games is just over 30, and includes 4 ducks and 4 single figure scores in those games. Prior to today his last 6 FC scores were 0, 26, 17, 0, 0, 1. There's a case that he was lucky to be out there today.

I can't really call as all I've not seen either bat. All I've got is numbers and "chatter" to go on and on that basis if they were to pick a bolter it's hard to see them picking Dean over Renshaw. Maybe neither get picked. And yes, If Dean goes massive tomorrow it'll be hard to ignore.

But we can we please stop pretending that your push for Dean is anything other then state bias. It's getting a bit childish now.

 

[roscreasl98]

Renshaw has batted for long periods too. 250 balls and 390 balls in his two big tons.

If Dean goes even bigger tomorrow it'll be hard to ignore but shield final aside, he had a very poor finish to the shield season, scored 1 run in 3 innings for Australia A and started this season poorly.

We don't have much to go on with these blokes (and I've never seen either bat) but Renshaw's form to finish 15/16, Australia A games and tonning up today is stronger then Dean. Including today he averages about 44 in his last 7 games and has made a start (got to 20) in all bar 3 innings.

Even including his ton today Dean's average in his last 10 games is just over 30, and includes 4 ducks and 4 single figure scores in those games. Prior to today his last 6 FC scores were 0, 26, 17, 0, 0, 1. There's a case that he was lucky to be out there today.

I can't really call as all I've not seen either bat. All I've got is numbers and "chatter" to go on and on that basis if they were to pick a bolter it's hard to see them picking Dean over Renshaw. Maybe neither get picked. And yes, If Dean goes massive tomorrow it'll be hard to ignore.

But we can we please stop pretending that your push for Dean is anything other then state bias. It's getting a bit childish now.

I've actually watched him bat many times!!!

 

[The Passenger]

Looking at those numbers, what I like about the centuries is the manner in which he scored them:


- 112 scored in a Shield final whilst chasing down a decent 340 by South Australia. Crucially, being the away team, Victoria had to force the issue to ensure a result.

- 137 scored after being made captain of Australia A against South Africa A.

- 110* scored against a very good NSW attack. On top of that, there was always going to be extra pressure to perform with spots in the Australian team up for grabs after the recent Hobart debacle.


In short, it's not just that he's making runs, but he is also doing it in big moments. A good sign.

It'd be impossible not to pick Handscomb for the next test IMO. Patterson will be in the mix, but I think he's a step behind. This place will go into meltdown if Handscomb gets overlooked.

It is possible both will get picked. They may drop Ferguson, or decide none of the opening options are ready, and move Usman to opener (who's basically been opening anyway), Ferguson to 3 and Handscomb and Patterson at 5 and 6. I think that is probably unlikely though.

 

[Cleavy]

Dean being the first man to score a century in each innings on Shield debut should give him a little bit of currency?

 

[eddiesmith]

So for Adelaide that's like 3 guys max then, how is that half the team?

Australia has never made big changes but you would have to admit realistically there are 6 players under pressure and all could be dropped without anyone thinking it would be unfair

Burns, Voges, Ferguson, Nevill, Lyon and Mennie

Then there is always an injury/rest for Starc or Hazelwood

 

[damochandler]

Renshaw had faced 130 balls before he reached 30. So he can tough it out. But he's not ready

 

[The Passenger]

I've actually watched him bat many times!!!

I'm sure you have. I'm not surprised you have plenty of time to sit around watching endless sheffield shield streams.

 

[big_e]

Dean being the first man to score a century in each innings on Shield debut should give him a little bit of currency?

You'd think so, but the career averages of players to score a hundred on test debut is remarkably low.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So for Adelaide that's like 3 guys max then, how is that half the team?

Burns, Voges, Ferguson, Nevill, Mennie and Lyon aren't secured. So that's all I said. There's still a feasibility about there being mass change.

 

[Kram]

Burns, Voges, Ferguson, Nevill, Mennie and Lyon aren't secured. So that's all I said. There's still a feasibility about there being mass change.

Well yeah maybe by the time we get to the end of summer. But this thread is about changes for the next Test...

 

[JackOutback]

Dean being the first man to score a century in each innings on Shield debut should give him a little bit of currency?

The fact that he averages only 35 after that start devalues some of that currency. Before today, his form was bog average.

 

[ROOTA#6]

The fact that he averages only 35 after that start devalues some of that currency. Before today, his form was bog average.

So is everyone's though. All the selectors need to think about is if they think the possible alternative/s will do a better job then the incumbent.