Changes v Crows

[JimmyBeerCans]

Lobbe had 42 hitouts to Hickey's 56. Hardly an absolute shellacking.

42 hitouts & a bunch of dumb teammates in the centre square for 2.5 quarters

 

[dinger]

In: Howard, Amon, Toumpas, Horses by Daryl Braithwaite
Out: Lobbe, Ebert, White, NTUA

 

[Wargreymon90]

Lobbe might get destroyed by Jacobs. But it won't be in the number of hit outs.

Lobbe is perfectly capable of getting hit outs. It's the quality of those hit outs that's the issue. So talk of Jacobs getting another record number is just ridiculous.

If Dougal went as number 1 ruckman. Jacobs might crack 80 hit outs.

We have no choice but to back Lobbe in to improve. Absolutely no question about it

 

[sog35]

It's the most compelling issue to be discussed coming from the game. Lobbe is a deadset liability. Smashed in clearances and the opposition ruck was near BOG and had a ridiculous number of hit out to advantage. We can only be thankful Dangerfield wont be on the park next week to tear us a new one.

I've tried to find these stats, any idea where they can be accessed?

 

[sog35]

Agree with this. He was totally off. It felt like he was injured or sick. Is there a stat for how much time he spent in the centre square because I noticed him coming off the half back line at ball ups a hell of a lot which I thought was odd too. If he's injured he shouldn't play.

I can't remember him being in for a centre bounce in the first quarter. Was playing off the eastern wing.

 

[ozph1870]

We are 1 game in m8 ffs

He was destroyed all preseason, was destroyed all last year, which is why he was finally dropped... Which is also the time we went on a 5-1 winning streak.

It's not a new thing.

 

[Wargreymon90]

He was destroyed all preseason, was destroyed all last year, which is why he was finally dropped... Which is also the time we went on a 5-1 winning streak.

It's not a new thing.

We don't have Ryder this year. Don't have the luxury of dropping him

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

He was destroyed all preseason, was destroyed all last year, which is why he was finally dropped... Which is also the time we went on a 5-1 winning streak.

It's not a new thing.

I don't gaf about the meaningless NAB Challenge or last year we are 1 game into 2016

 

[Adam Marrett23]

Lobbe has been destroyed in the ruck all year, every game, by chumps, and all last year. Lobbe also provides absolutely nothing around the ground, he has zero value to the team right now. At least watch Howard play before you make ridiculous assumptions. He can provide a contest in the rucks plus will do 100% more around the ground. It's an absolute no brainer that we need to make a change in that position, obvious, must be done now.

Ridiculous assumption? A 1st gamer who'd give up cm's and kilos and experience to arguably one of the top 5 ruckman in the comp who has destroyed us before evidently against Lobbe as well. I'm not knocking Howard as a player I rate the kid highly but what do you want to happen with him? You'd hazard a educated guess he'd ruck well for a quarter or 2 at best then get tired as its his 1st real AFL game. Then we are left with pinch hitters all day I'd expect Jacobs to dominate the game when that occurred. As a around the ground player Howard provides a lot more then Lobbe no doubt of that, but as the number 1 ruckman on debut in the Showdown your asking a lot of a 1st gamer.

In my opinion our midfield needs to step up this weekend, I expect they will. If they bring their A game around the clearances and stoppages the Lobbe issue can be covered by them. If they perform like they did against St.Kilda we are in trouble and the blame for that isn't squarely on Lobbe.

 

[Powerade 08]

Out: Pittard
In: Trengove

 

[Robbie4PM]

Out: White, Jonas

In: Toumpas, Young

Hammer to half back.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Last time we played, the Crows scored quite a few easy goals by breaking through our press and placing players in open space ahead of the play. They'd fancy their chances of that tactic working again after seeing our game on Sunday. Whoever wins that tactical battle could go a long way towards deciding the eventual winner.

 

[bacharach]

Lobbe had 42 hitouts to Hickey's 56. Hardly an absolute shellacking.

What is even more telling is that mid-way through the 3rd, Hickey was only marginally winning the HOs (29-27). So it was actually during the 9 goal (to 1) onslaught by Port that Lobbe was convincingly beaten in the HOs (Hickey's gained another 27 to Lobbe's 15).
Go figure.

 

[Forzaport]

It would be utter insanity to drop Lobbe this week. If people are really keen on Howard getting a run he should replace Schulz, not Lobbe.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I've tried to find these stats, any idea where they can be accessed?

The Champion Data stats in the paper - bottom left hand corner of the table for every game
Hit Outs (ADV)
PA 49 (13).....Lobbe 46 (10) Trengove 4 (1)
StK 68(25).....Hickey 56 (22) Ross...... 4 (2)

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

It would be utter insanity to drop Lobbe this week. If people are really keen on Howard getting a run he should replace Schulz, not Lobbe.

Schulz was quite good imo

 

[sog35]

The Champion Data stats in the paper - bottom left hand corner
Hit Outs
PA 49 (13).....Lobbe 46 (10) Trengove
StK 68(25).....Hickey 56 (22)

Cheers - I steer clear of the paper so haven't seen that. Can't understand why it isn't provided in the AFL online stats.

 

[manureid]

The thought of watching Eddie Betts run in to numerous open goals with Tom Jonas 30 metres behind make my sphincter tighten.

 

[BIG BILLY F]

Lobbe has to get better around the ground or at least try to tighten up on his opponent after ruck contests.....

I am scared about Jacobs....I am fearful of Goldstein .....absolutely sh**ing myself about Nic nat

 

[Schulzenfest]

Lobbe had 42 hitouts to Hickey's 56. Hardly an absolute shellacking.

The problem is that Hickey is on the lower end of rucks who Lobbe will come up against this year and he still beat him. If he'd put up that performance against a Goldstein, Sandilands, Jacobs type then no worries, but if the best thing you can say about his performance against a Tom Hickey level ruckman is 'well he was beaten but he wasn't thrashed', how badly is he going to get beaten when he comes up against an elite ruckman?

 

[powermacs]

The thought of watching Eddie Betts run in to numerous open goals with Tom Jonas 30 metres behind make my sphincter tighten.

Easy, just think of Eddie betts running into Tom Jonas numerous times.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Jonas in good form is a great match up for betts. 2015 Jonas would get destroyed.

It's astonishing how people forget how good he was before that

 

[Forzaport]

Schulz was quite good imo

I'm not suggesting Schulz be dropped, that's also crazy but at least not utterly insane.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

The problem is that Hickey is on the lower end of rucks who Lobbe will come up against this year and he still beat him. If he'd put up that performance against a Goldstein, Sandilands, Jacobs type then no worries, but if the best thing you can say about his performance against a Tom Hickey level ruckman is 'well he was beaten but he wasn't thrashed', how badly is he going to get beaten when he comes up against an elite ruckman?

I thought you were the ruck is an overrated position guy

*Sandilands, Jacobs, Nic Nat, Goldstein are all premiershipless (is that even a word)

 

[Magus]

We need to inflict pain on Eddie. Anytime he goes near it, have Tommy Jonas run through him. Get reported, I dont care, just make him hurt.