Preview Changes Vs Carlton Round 2

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Agreed, we don't have any exceptional mids besides Shuey. I'm sick of seeing our guys plod along behind faster more skillful opposition mids.

I agree our mids apart from Shuey and Priddis as an inside midfielder. However throwing the young midfielders into the deep end without support isn't particularly appealing either. I am fairly confident that if Wellingham for example doesn't lift he will be out. I think Sheed should get played all year and Duggan brought in aswell later in the year.

 

[Johnno22]

So

Also would be interested to know what development you are expecting to see out of Priddis, Rosa, Masten, Gaff and Selwood who are our current mids?


That's the point isn't it though, this recognition has come far too late to be any good to us.

when do you suggest we should have drafted in a new midfield? During the last five years of compromised drafts when the new franchises had the top picks?

I think that the club have been aware that we lack class in the middle but I'm far from convinced we could have done much better with our selections without the benefits of hindsite.

I believe we have to be patient and phase in the new draftees over the next couple of years.

 

[Godfather32]

I agree our mids apart from Shuey and Priddis as an inside midfielder. However throwing the young midfielders into the deep end without support isn't particularly appealing either. I am fairly confident that if Wellingham for example doesn't lift he will be out. I think Sheed should get played all year and Duggan brought in aswell later in the year.

I'm not going to comment on Priddis, there's plenty from me in the Priddis thread but I don't agree with you there.
But on the rookies I'm not suggesting bringing them all in at once. I'd be playing two at a time in 3 or 4 game blocks with a view to all of our draftees (fitness allowing) from our last draft playing 6 games minimum this season. I'd be pushing Yeo into the middle and I'd be looking at Newman playing games as well.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

So

when do you suggest we should have drafted in a new midfield? During the last five years of compromised drafts when the new franchises had the top picks?

I think that the club have been aware that we lack class in the middle but I'm far from convinced we could have done much better with our selections without the benefits of hindsite.

I believe we have to be patient and phase in the new draftees over the next couple of years.

I feel like we should have bitten the billet like the Bulldogs did with lake, Geelong with King and a few others. Made space on our list and had a stab at some late draft picks

 

[WereFlyingHigh4]

I'm losing confidence in Simpson, he's done some good things like changing our game plan, but then keeps playing the same old plodders in the same old positions. It hasn't worked in the past so what makes him think it's going to work now?

I do like Simpson. I can see the game plan he is implementing and it is far superior to what Woosha's was but I feel it's never going to perfectly come off unless this midfield gets fixed. Somebody needs to shake things up and start doing things like getting Yeo in there as well as other things like maybe playing Newman rotating between the forward line and midfield. Even Hurn and Darling (When fit) should be rotated through there just to give us flexibility. All the good teams do it. As it stands we are way too one dimensional with what we have there. None of Priddis, Masten, Rosa, Selwood will ever win a game off their own boot. They are all decent contributors but we need someone who can break open the game on their own. Nic Nat is the only one capable but he needs support and I think Yeo could be that x factor we need.

That is where you notice the difference between our mids and the Bulldogs mids. Macrae, Dahlhaus and the Bont all stood up when needed and that is why they will be considered A grade mids compare to B grade mids like Masten, Selwood, Rosa and Priddis because they all crawl into their shell when the game is there to be won. May be a very tough year for Simmo if things remain the same.

 

[Godfather32]

So

when do you suggest we should have drafted in a new midfield? During the last five years of compromised drafts when the new franchises had the top picks?

I think that the club have been aware that we lack class in the middle but I'm far from convinced we could have done much better with our selections without the benefits of hindsite.

I believe we have to be patient and phase in the new draftees over the next couple of years.

I think that our recruitment, development and talent evaluation seriously needs to be looked at, the signs have been there that the midfield isn't up to it for years but we've kept on going with them and tried to add some more average players to make it better.
We could have easily improved our selections in both those compromised drafts though if we'd had the inclination.

 

[larrikin]

The sky is officially falling.

 

[Smotie]

No developing.

Who is developing? Still waiting for priddis and Rosa and selwood and masten to develop?

The word you are looking for is stagnating.

 

[Godfather32]

Who is developing? Still waiting for priddis and Rosa and selwood and masten to develop?

The word you are looking for is stagnating.

Stagnating might be too positive a word in this case

 

[Smotie]

I'm losing confidence in Simpson, he's done some good things like changing our game plan, but then keeps playing the same old plodders in the same old positions. It hasn't worked in the past so what makes him think it's going to work now?

Yep. He either has no liberty to change it or is hoping the existing midfield can get lucky and make the eight to save his job.
I think its going to cost him his job.

 

[Masto]

Should be given another shot. Lamb dropped lots of marks, do we drop him also? Lycett was awful, drop him as well? Butler, McGinnity; how many do you drop?

If you don't drop Sheed then you can't drop anyone else - given he was our worst performed player. Given our performance, I'm not sure that's the right message to send.

 

[Smotie]

So

when do you suggest we should have drafted in a new midfield? During the last five years of compromised drafts when the new franchises had the top picks?

I think that the club have been aware that we lack class in the middle but I'm far from convinced we could have done much better with our selections without the benefits of hindsite.

I believe we have to be patient and phase in the new draftees over the next couple of years.

The other clubs drafted in decent mids during this time. Freo got fyfe for example.
We've made poor decisions based on what woosha believed was a premiership midfield we already had.

 

[Godfather32]

The other clubs drafted in decent mids during this time. Freo got fyfe for example.
We've made poor decisions based on what woosha believed was a premiership midfield we already had.

Plus we could have easily made it our priority to get some higher picks to get a highly touted mid in any of the drafts from the last few years.

 

[Godfather32]

Yep. He either has no liberty to change it or is hoping the existing midfield can get lucky and make the eight to save his job.
I think its going to cost him his job.

If we finish bottom 4 this year then he'll be lucky to keep it.

 

[Smotie]

If you don't drop Sheed then you can't drop anyone else - given he was our worst performed player. Given our performance, I'm not sure that's the right message to send.

Dropping sheed is madness.
People blame the youth in our club when the blame lies squarely on our senior mids.
Interesting to me though is the fact that in the priddis thread people have argued that the fault isn't priddis but the other mids like shuey and Rosa and masten yet here they are saying it isn't their fault its the kids.
Such bullshit

 

[Johnno22]

The other clubs drafted in decent mids during this time. Freo got fyfe for example.
We've made poor decisions based on what woosha believed was a premiership midfield we already had.

And Fyffe was considered a great midfield prospect? Great call.

 

[Godfather32]

The sky is officially falling.

I think reality is dawning on many

 

[WCErevival]

Phase Priddis out for Sheed. Bring Yeo into the middle. Get Duggan in at least as sub

 

[larrikin]

I think reality is dawning on many

Plenty here are throwing the baby out with the bathwater

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If you don't drop Sheed then you can't drop anyone else - given he was our worst performed player. Given our performance, I'm not sure that's the right message to send.

I don't think it's a rule you can only drop your worst-performing player from the previous week.

 

[Smotie]

And Fyffe was considered a great midfield prospect? Great call.

And chose shephard. He was considered a great midfield prospect? He was a hbf.
The point is we hardly recruited midfielders as the belief was what we had was good enough.

 

[Godfather32]

Plenty here are throwing the baby out with the bathwater

Honestly though, look at our fixture before the byes and tell me how many games you see us winning?
I can easily see us going 2 W - 10 L or 3 W - 9 L. Where does that leave us?

 

[Masto]

Dropping sheed is madness.

Why? If you don't perform you get dropped. Golden tickets went out with John Worsfold. There are no favourites and draft position is irrelevant. Hell, even Woosha dropped Lycett after he dished up a lemon in rd 1 a couple of years ago. This is no different. People need to get over Sheed being some kind of saviour. In reality he is an underperforming young player who needs to earn his spot. It is what it is.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The point is we hardly recruited midfielders as the belief was what we had was good enough.

Masten, Ebert, Selwood, Shuey, Swift, Stevens, Gaff all taken with top-25 picks around that period.

 

[Smotie]

Why? If you don't perform you get dropped. Golden tickets went out with John Worsfold. There are no favourites and draft position is irrelevant. Hell, even Woosha dropped Lycett after he dished up a lemon in rd 1 a couple of years ago. This is no different. People need to get over Sheed being some kind of saviour. In reality he is an underperforming young player who needs to earn his spot. It is what it is.

He wasn't our worst. He is a developing player ffs. You look at the senior players who are underperforming and drop them. The golden tickets are firmly entrenched on the priddis, rosa , masten shit we endure week in week out.