Preview Changes Vs Carlton Round 2

[Farang83150]

Worked his way into the game. I'd give him another opportunity. Who will take his place anyway?

Well said, definitely deserves another run, showed up Wellingham that's for sure.
OUT: Wellingham
IN: Anyone

 

[Keys]

Outs: Masten, Gaff, Priddis, Brown, Sheed, Rosa, Butler
Ins: Duggan, Colledge, Bennell, McInness, Tunbridge, Hill

Reward good WAFL form, drop under performing players. Give Wellingham, Colledge and Yeo full time midfield duties with Selwood and Shuey, use LeCras, Bennell, Hill and Duggan as wing rotations, Lamb or Tunbridge as sub, both playing as lead up forwards, McInness down back. We need guys with good ball use on the wings, and actual ball winners on the ball if we're playing with this new attacking game plan and a few fresh on ballers will make us a bit more unpredictable at centre bounces, we will actually be able use Nic Nat's dominance to advantage, when we performed in 2011 Nic Nat was tapping the ball in all directions, these days it's straight down at his feet to an immobile Priddis.

So do you think we'd be a better or worse prospect of winning after making these changes

 

[Cringle]

Who are your key defenders?

McGovern and ?

 

[Keys]

Who are your key defenders?

McGovern and ?

Schofield if he's fit

Most likely mcinness to make his debut if he isn't

 

[swannies]

Who are your key defenders?

McGovern and ?

Yeo, apparently.

 

[Monocle]

I am perplexed with the thoughts of others advocating Schofields return to the AFL based on how he played on the weekend.

I watched the East Perth game against Subiaco and I was not inspired with Schofields game, he look very under done for WAFL level let alone AFL, so I don't understand the masses advocating his selection this week. He looked injured and not 100% fit what so ever , he was so proppy and indecisive. Selecting and playing players who are not fully fit is risky at the best of times.

Why is his name constantly being thrown up as a suitable replacement ???? ....because he is "a tall" !!!!! .....ummm... his 9 possessions against the Subiaco forwards were pretty under whelming TBH , he even lost a couple of one on one body duels with Yarran.

Now I am not bagging Schofield per se , however he looked way of being ready to play at the next level YET.

lf you are wanting to reward WAFL form then McInnes was far more impressive with his 22 possessions.

Now I will be honest here and admit that I have no idea if McInnes can play as a KPD at the next level , but I do know that he was being groomed for that role in the under 18 championships before he did his ankle. BUT we are never going to know unless we try him in that role.

We face a Carlton forward line with the prospects of Jones, Henderson and maybe Casbolt . So far we have The Gov and then a sizable blank as to who we play on the other Carlton tall forward.

I would have thought that this week would have been a perfect opportunity to see what McInnes is capable of.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Out - Brown and McGinnity
In - Schofield and Bennell

Our recent dominance against the Dogs in round one is solely based on us not playing them at Etihad.
Just checked and we beat them there in round 1 2012, my bad.
We suck at that place and always will. (see the Carlton loss last year)

Friday we play Carlton on the expansive Subi and should win.
We have a great run home and an easy draw, along with us not playing many games at Etihad.
Season is not over yet, it's round one.

We lost to a team who's feet aren't touching the ground, similar to North Melbourne today and IMO North will finish higher then the Crows and we will finish higher than the Dogs.

Bring on Carlton Friday night.

 

[Smotie]

So do you think we'd be a better or worse prospect of winning after making these changes

Who cares in the short term.
People here ffs. There is no long term gain without short term pain. It must be our microwave instant culture that people expect results straight away from any investment.

 

[Smotie]

I am perplexed with the thoughts of others advocating Schofields return to the AFL based on how he played on the weekend.

I watched the East Perth game against Subiaco and I was not inspired with Schofields game, he look very under done for WAFL level let alone AFL, so I don't understand the masses advocating his selection this week. He looked injured and not 100% fit what so ever , he was so proppy and indecisive. Selecting and playing players who are not fully fit is risky at the best of times.

Why is his name constantly being thrown up as a suitable replacement ???? ....because he is "a tall" !!!!! .....ummm... his 9 possessions against the Subiaco forwards were pretty under whelming TBH , he even lost a couple of one on one body duels with Yarran.

Now I am not bagging Schofield per se , however he looked way of being ready to play at the next level YET.

lf you are wanting to reward WAFL form then McInnes was far more impressive with his 22 possessions.

Now I will be honest here and admit that I have no idea if McInnes can play as a KPD at the next level , but I do know that he was being groomed for that role in the under 18 championships before he did his ankle. BUT we are never going to know unless we try him in that role.

We face a Carlton forward line with the prospects of Jones, Henderson and maybe Casbolt . So far we have The Gov and then a sizable blank as to who we play on the other Carlton tall forward.

I would have thought that this week would have been a perfect opportunity to see what McInnes is capable of.

But the cry has been that the kids are not ready and they will be overwhelmed with all level and they will lose confidence and die n shit.
That's why they want Schofield.

I didn't know about his form line and I wouldn't put too much stock in possessions generally and especially as a defender.
Ideally you don't want defenders getting any possessions at all unless they run down the ground to get them.
If they get high possies its usually because the ball spent a lot of time at their end of the ground right.
But Schofield loves to run and carry and not really lock down on his man so maybe low possessions for him is a good sign?

 

[Biggie]

Fraser has to play, surely??

 

[Monocle]

But the cry has been that the kids are not ready and they will be overwhelmed with all level and they will lose confidence and die n shit.
That's why they want Schofield.

I didn't know about his form line and I wouldn't put too much stock in possessions generally and especially as a defender.
Ideally you don't want defenders getting any possessions at all unless they run down the ground to get them.
If they get high possies its usually because the ball spent a lot of time at their end of the ground right.
But Schofield loves to run and carry and not really lock down on his man so maybe low possessions for him is a good sign?

Smotie. Believe me Schofield was bloody ordinary n friday ( His first half was absolute shit TBH ) and he got beaten one on one frequently .

Hence my post.

Not having a crack at you by any means. Just raising the point.

What's the point of having a 197 cm KPP player on your list for four years and not playing him when we are crying out for talls.
You may as well just delist him now if ...by way of example ... the plan is that we move Rosa or Wellingham down back to play as a tall. By the way Yeo is wasted in that roll.

Carlton's midfield will out run and out pace us ( they always do) we can only hope that NN has a blinder and we win more clearances , otherwise we are going to have to watch a backline under siege.

 

[Smotie]

Well said, definitely deserves another run, showed up Wellingham that's for sure.
OUT: Wellingham
IN: Anyone

So one of the guys that tried to be creative and run and carry and showing some skills whilst playing out of position in the back line you deem the worst in our performance?

 

[Smotie]

Smotie. Believe me Schofield was bloody ordinary n friday ( His first half was absolute shit TBH ) and he got beaten one on one frequently .

Hence my post.

Not having a crack at you by any means. Just raising the point.

What's the point of having a 197 cm KPP player on your list for four years and not playing him when we are crying out for talls.
You may as well just delist him now if ...by way of example ... the plan is that we move Rosa or Wellingham down back to play as a tall. By the way Yeo is wasted in that roll.

Carlton's midfield will out run and out pace us ( they always do) we can only hope that NN has a blinder and we win more clearances , otherwise we are going to have to watch a backline under siege.

No I agree with you. I've had a gutfull of the most of the rot in our side and mostly it's the midfielders.
I want a total rebuild in our team. and if it takes 5 years to do it then so be it. Most of our players are skill-less. Selfish. Have a lack of gut running and have no ability to run out games.

Watching Port and Frewo in the last quarter today sowed the vast difference between us and them. The gut running was impressive to the last minute of the game. They run and spread from each end of the ground and contested for each other not themselves. We are a looong way off that level.

Bring on the kids and not just in the middle. Case in point is McGovern. He has played 14 games and is still green but he was BOG out of all of our players and all of their experience. He carried the responsibility with aplomb. Some here suggest the kids will die being thrown in the seep end but I beg to differ. I reckon they will thrive on responsibility and the chance to prove their worth.

Mcinnes could be the same.

 

[Bacchus]

The Bulldogs fans must feel so excited and refreshed as they've changed things around and given a new crop of players a chance to show what they got.

Who exactly are this great new crop of players? In the midfield they have Bontempelli, Macrae - both of them are good - followed by Picken, Wallis, Honeychurch, Jong, B Goodes, Dalhaus - are there any others? If the last six played for us they'd be torn up and spat out on here before you could say jack robinson. Honeychurch would be lucky to kick over a jam jar. Can't see the WB spiralling up towards the top of the ladder in a big hurry which is what makes last night's loss the more painful.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Smotie. Believe me Schofield was bloody ordinary n friday ( His first half was absolute shit TBH ) and he got beaten one on one frequently .

Hence my post.

Not having a crack at you by any means. Just raising the point.

What's the point of having a 197 cm KPP player on your list for four years and not playing him when we are crying out for talls.
You may as well just delist him now if ...by way of example ... the plan is that we move Rosa or Wellingham down back to play as a tall. By the way Yeo is wasted in that roll.

Carlton's midfield will out run and out pace us ( they always do) we can only hope that NN has a blinder and we win more clearances , otherwise we are going to have to watch a backline under siege.

As much as i agree with you regarding schofields form, we know that he can produce B grade football at AFL level.

Fraser on the other hand is obviously an unknown. To me he 'looks' very limited with his agility, like the undersized ruckman he is. And i'm not sure if he would have the athleticism to play a key role down back. However, after watching last weeks insipid performance, i wouldn't really mind if he was named at all, at least we're trying something different.

Can't see the WB spiralling up towards the top of the ladder in a big hurry which is what makes last night's loss the more painful.

Just out of curiosity, where do you see us finishing on the ladder?

 

[twce13]

Smotie. Believe me Schofield was bloody ordinary n friday ( His first half was absolute shit TBH ) and he got beaten one on one frequently .

Hence my post.

Not having a crack at you by any means. Just raising the point.

What's the point of having a 197 cm KPP player on your list for four years and not playing him when we are crying out for talls.
You may as well just delist him now if ...by way of example ... the plan is that we move Rosa or Wellingham down back to play as a tall. By the way Yeo is wasted in that roll.

Carlton's midfield will out run and out pace us ( they always do) we can only hope that NN has a blinder and we win more clearances , otherwise we are going to have to watch a backline under siege.

TBH schoey has been beaten one on one for years at afl level, not even taking the number one tall.
He's not close to Brown's level (let alone emac) and in fairness to him, isn't a natural KPD. But yeah, he's gonna lose plenty of 1 on 1s this year, regardless of fitness.

 

[Bacchus]

[QUOTE="Dark Sharks, post: 37780797, member: 115298")
Just out of curiosity, where do you see us finishing on the ladder?[/QUOTE]

Not too high at this point. Certainly in the bottom half, perhaps the bottom third, I haven't decided. We have a few stars and a lot of very average players. Having 3 of our best 5 KPPs out kills us. I will be surprised if the Bullies are in the top half of the table at season's end. Last night was a painful reality check as is evidenced by the meltdown on here.

 

[VinegarStrokes]

Surely McInness gets a crack at playing KPD. It does worry me that in the final NAB game against Freo when Brown was a late withdrawal we decided to play super small and leave McInness as the sub. Have no idea why the didn't just let replace Brown with McInness and play the normal structure that we were planning on using in the real season (pre Brown injury).

 

[Keys]

In the frame for selection in no particular order

Lucas - was the emergency for this week so he's obviously close but no game meant no chance to press for selection. Would be keen to play against his old club but I can't help but feel selecting him would be shuffling deckchairs. East perth have the bye this week as well so timing sucks for him. Don't think we'll see him

Newman - had a solid game for the royals with his defensive pressure in the forward half a highlight. I'd like to see him come in for maginnity but that depends on how the MC viewed paddys game on Murphy - I fear they'll see it different to most on here

Schofield - looked short of match practice against subiaco and his game time was managed. In all honesty looked at least another week away from being ready to resume in the Seniors but with Browns injury he'll be under serious consideration

McInness - played really well albeit in a role not needed for the Eagles atm. Led the ruck and rested forward but if he plays it's going to be more likely as a KPD where he has limited experience. A possibility to come into the side for lamb if they decide to go with a bigger body up forward

Colledge - got leather poisoning for east Perth so did all he could to keep his name in front of the selectors but I wasn't convinced the way he played would translate to AFL level. If he comes in I'd guess it would be at the expense of sheed which I hope doesn't happen

Benell - not entirely certain why he was playing for east Perth and not west coast but should come in for butler imo after a really solid game for east perth

Ellis - coming back from a hammie who knows if he's ready but I'd rather we err on the side of caution and give him another week

Duggan - as good as he was I think he still can learn his craft in the WAFL a bit longer before stepping up another level. He's not quite ready yet

Tunbridge and hill - need to string consistent games together before they're considered. Tunbridge may very well be suspended anyway

In the gun (other than brown who is an obvious out) :

Maginnity - offers very little in my view and as a shutdown player his job on Murphy could only be described as serviceable at best. Provides next to nothing offensively. Newman would offer more

Butler - I think he'll be handy later in the year when some of the younger bodies like Nelson start to tire but for now I'd rather keep Nelson in and play either benell or Ellis instead of butts

Sheed - struggled with the pace of the game but I think we need to persevere with him for the time being as he needs continued exposure at this level if he is to develop the way we hope

Lamb - the club might rest him as part of his longer term management but I hope they give him another crack as I think they will

What I think will happen

Out : Brown
In : Schofield

I'd also like to see Newman in for maginnity and benell for butler but I don't think it'll happen

 

[WCEswift]

Another arguement for newman is its raining apparently from tuesday through friday. could we play Lamb,Kennedy and restin ruck as our tall forward bring in the next member of the mosquito squad?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Developing.

I'd describe is as mature.


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[Bleedblueandgold]

Outs: Masten, Gaff, Priddis, Brown, Sheed, Rosa, Butler
Ins: Duggan, Colledge, Bennell, McInness, Tunbridge, Hill

Reward good WAFL form, drop under performing players. Give Wellingham, Colledge and Yeo full time midfield duties with Selwood and Shuey, use LeCras, Bennell, Hill and Duggan as wing rotations, Lamb or Tunbridge as sub, both playing as lead up forwards, McInness down back. We need guys with good ball use on the wings, and actual ball winners on the ball if we're playing with this new attacking game plan and a few fresh on ballers will make us a bit more unpredictable at centre bounces, we will actually be able use Nic Nat's dominance to advantage, when we performed in 2011 Nic Nat was tapping the ball in all directions, these days it's straight down at his feet to an immobile Priddis.

If you want WAFL form rewarded, you're forgetting Lucas, Newman and Waterman as well. The majority of our players will usually perform well in the WAFL, except for a select few.

 

[lmach]

In: Schofield if fit, Ellis, Newman
Out: Brown, Butler, McGinnity,

FB: Nelson, McGovern, Ellis
HB: Rosa, Schofield, Hurn
C: Gaff, Sheed, Wellingham
HF: LeCras, Lycett, Lamb
FF: Newman, Kennedy, Cripps
Fol: Naitanui, Shuey, Yeo
I/C: Selwood, Priddis, Sheppard
Sub: Masten

 

[getgaff]

Im amazed at the S##t that gets thrown at the brownlow medalist on here. outside the top 4 clubs of last year , he would walk straight into their midfields. He is as hard as a cats head , and is The Eagles in and under man. He is not Phil Manassa having half a dozen bounces (unless harry Madden is chasin him). He is a player who bores in and gets you the pill. Trade him /drop him and you have definitely lost the plot

Take note Priddis haters, heave ho speaks sense. This is what I've been saying all along. He's not your explosively paced outside midfielder but he is as hard as a cats head and burrows into packs to feed the pill.

If we looked to trade him/ force intro retirement there WOULD be interest and we could lose a Brownlow medalist for SFA

 

[Biggie]

If we looked to trade him/ force intro retirement there WOULD be interest and we could lose a Brownlow medalist for SFA

And no one would really care.