Preview Changes Vs Carlton Round 2

[paran]

Swift was never more than a pathetic panic merchant. Drafting by woodhouse has sunk us for a decade.

3 masten
7 shep
Eytc
Etc
Years later they are c grade all of them.

Priddis. A rookie and wins a bronlow just to be despised by the swift lovers.

So who of the next 6 picks after Masten would you have preferred? Who out of the next 6 picks after Sheppard would you have preferred? It's BS thoughtless posts like this that show you don't understand the difference between recruiting and developing. We've been quit poor at converting midfield talent into AFL mids since 2006/7.

 

[Marlin01]

Just looking at the forecast for Friday, it's a bloody good thing we did that handball exercise under sprinklers this pre-season.

 

[truman]

So who of the next 6 picks after Masten would you have preferred? Who out of the next 6 picks after Sheppard would you have preferred? It's BS thoughtless posts like this that show you don't understand the difference between recruiting and developing. We've been quit poor at converting midfield talent into AFL mids since 2006/7.

Convenient that you asked who out of the next 6 picks would you have preferred considering Dangerfield was the 7th pick after. I would have preferred Myers, Henderson and McEvoy (all within the next 6 picks), but concede output difference to date is fairly negligible when compared to Masten. I would have much preferred Cyril, Lobbe, Harry Taylor, Rance and Callan Ward (output difference not negligible) who were also top 20 picks. Also Ebert who we drafted after is a better player.

After Sheppard, I would prefer Butcher, drafted directly after Sheppard (concede that is highly debatable since he can't kick) but would also have preferred Talia, Jetta and Melksham.

 

[Bacchus]

Sad thing about the royals good win over subi is that there were no standouts. Compounds the problem really. Experienced professional bodies must dominate in the WAFL.

Newman was very good but that's not much help now.

 

[Farang83150]

I watched this game for the first time well after I knew the result. I kept my eye on Sheed... that poor boy is not even close to being ready for AFL. Looks completely lost and shot for confidence. Reminds me of Jack Watts' first games.
He needs an extended period in the WAFL to get some form and confident. I honestly think he is at least a year away. Keeping him in the side is no good for him or us.

Lets reward good WAFL form and bring in that other bloke that killed it. I forgot his name

How is playing WAFL going to help him?...(Not at all IMHO)

 

[matt_bas]

Lose the players???? What a tragedy that would be. They might stop running out games with their current beast-like ferocity. Hell, some of them might even request trades. What a disaster that would be.

Beast like ferocity!?! What game were you watching?

 

[Hank Heavenly]

If Jameison does an ok job on JK, where are you guys expecting to get your scoring from outside of Le Cras?

Also whilst their tall fwds arent that great, if they bring Casboult back, they might just have enough talls to kick a score, you guys will have to win it in the middle right?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

If Jameison does an ok job on JK, where are you guys expecting to get your scoring from outside of Le Cras?

Also whilst their tall fwds arent that great, if they bring Casboult back, they might just have enough talls to kick a score, you guys will have to win it in the middle right?

Cripps is in good touch and is good for a few goals at least. Lamb, if he gets a game, might be an avenue. Resting ruckman should nab a few between them etc.

It looks like it will be raining so their talls won't be much of an advantage.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

If Jameison does an ok job on JK, where are you guys expecting to get your scoring from outside of Le Cras?

Also whilst their tall fwds arent that great, if they bring Casboult back, they might just have enough talls to kick a score, you guys will have to win it in the middle right?

Well it looks like it'll be a wet game so id say the tall forwards won't have much of an impact and Cripps kicked 5 last week. Due to the wet weather or if not raining it'll be slippery Id expect congested forward lines so rebound off of half back will be important, with goals over the back, which we struggle to contain, to become a premium.

Without Brown, McKenzie and possibly Schoefied, greater importance will be placed on our HBs like Hurn and Yeo to provide tighter match ups on Carltons talks and medium talls reducing our run from HB.

I think the likes of Yarran, Menzel, Simpson and Tuohy will cause is headaches as well as I rate Judd, Murphy and Gibbs higher than Priddis, Shuey, Murphy.

We killed their midfield last time at Subi with Proddis, Masten and Selwood
Combining for 90 possessions due to silver service from Cox. Hampson and Warnock were largely ineffectual that game so it'll be up to Naitanui to provide us some decent service so our plodding miss can get some space from stoppages

Carlton by 12

 

[94_Eagles]

I guess we can mark Nic Nat down for no marks again?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

So who of the next 6 picks after Masten would you have preferred? Who out of the next 6 picks after Sheppard would you have preferred? It's BS thoughtless posts like this that show you don't understand the difference between recruiting and developing. We've been quit poor at converting midfield talent into AFL mids since 2006/7.

Yeah spot on. Kids getting drafted in the first round are usually extremely talented and have the athleticism to boot, but ultimately they are still kids and have some way to go before they are AFL-standard, let alone elite.

Not blaming Woosha, but with him gone I wonder how the kids drafted under Simpson will develop. Sheed, Karpany, Duggan, Lamb & Cavka look like decent stock...they all can't be failures can they?

 

[wotdoiput]

With Newman not available Id bring Duggan in. Thought of a reprieve maybe for Butler or McGinnity but thought yeah... nah.

Bennell to the forward line and Scooter to the back pocket. Bennell can go back if that doesn't work.

B: Selwood McGovern Hurn
HB: Yeo Schofield Nelson
C: Gaff Priddis Wellingham
HF: Cripps Kennedy Lamb
F: LeCras Lycett Bennell
Foll: Natanui Masten Shuey
Inter: Sheed, Rosa, Shepherd.
Sub: Duggan

Kennedy to play from 30 metres out from goal and Lycett to the goal square.

 

[ziad]

Convenient that you asked who out of the next 6 picks would you have preferred considering Dangerfield was the 7th pick after. I would have preferred Myers, Henderson and McEvoy (all within the next 6 picks), but concede output difference to date is fairly negligible when compared to Masten. I would have much preferred Cyril, Lobbe, Harry Taylor, Rance and Callan Ward (output difference not negligible) who were also top 20 picks. Also Ebert who we drafted after is a better player.

After Sheppard, I would prefer Butcher, drafted directly after Sheppard (concede that is highly debatable since he can't kick) but would also have preferred Talia, Jetta and Melksham.

Bingo - poor drafting. you can not polish a t***

Cyril, I cry

 

[getgaff]

My common sense is prevailing more as the week goes on. Don't think we can play Schoey tomorrow particularly if it's wet. If he is over his injury hopefully he can have a run at WAFL reserves level on Saturday than look to play him in the derby if his right.

2 changes for me. Was very tempted to include Ellis but would hate to see him redo the injury and be playing 21 early. Give him a solid hit out in the 2's first.

I've added what I think based on R1 will be Carlton's team with "possible" match ups.

IN: McInnes, Bennell
Casboult, Tutt
OUT: Brown (INJ), McGinnity
Jaksch, Thomas (INJ)

McInnes for Brown is a tall for a tall down back. Ideally it would be Schofield as well but I'd hate to see him go in underdone. Marathon not a sprint
Bring Bennell in and let him play HIS game. Don't send him to shut down a forward because his defensive capabilities are flawed, let him play as an extra defender or sweeper type on the last line who can run and create or use him off a wing.

The only other possible inclusion I think is Ellis for Lamb, a straight swap with Ellis to SUB. Harsh on Lamb but to be honest no one really stood out as omission worthy from the Bulldogs game except McGinnity. If it comes down to the debutants than I'd rather Lamb omitted. A reactionary move from last weekend would be to drop a midfielder for Ellis. DON'T want to see this


Carlton definitely won't have Jaksch and Thomas and word is they will be replaced by Casboult and Tutt with Henderson possibly going to defence to relieve in Jaksch's defensive role. Tutt is a player we'd need to be wary of as he could easily sneak under the radar. Fast and clever inside 50.

FULL BACKS: Sam Butler ~ Jeremy McGovern ~ Brad Sheppard
FULL FORWARDS: Liam Jones ~ Levi Casboult ~ Troy Menzel

HALF BACKS: Shannon Hurn ~ Fraser McInnes ~ Matt Rosa
HALF FORWARDS: Chris Yarran ~ Lachie Henderson ~ Jason Tutt

Butler on Jones is a 10 cm height advantage for Jones but on a possible wet night we can exploit that match up by playing someone smaller who can run off. Could swap the Jones and Casboult match ups.

Sheppard potentially gets a big job on the dangerous Menzel. Give him a job and see how he goes.

MIDFIELDERS: Elliot Yeo ~ Matt Priddis ~ Andrew Gaff
MIDFIELDERS: Bryce Gibbs ~ Chris Judd ~ Kade Simpson

FOLLOWERS: Nic Naitanui ~ Scott Selwood ~ Luke Shuey
FOLLOWERS: Cameron Wood ~ Marc Murphy ~ Ed Curnow (tagger)

I hope Priddis V Judd doesn't happen continuously or else Judd would outclass and outrun Priddis handsomely but as two bigger bodied, contested midfielders they may end up together at some stage. Midfield match ups (apart from straight tags) often change, for instance I don;t see Yeo and Gibbs being a permanent match up, it just happened that Priddis was the last midfielder to be opposed. Carrazzo may end going to Priddis in a negative role.

Think Curnow will tag Shuey as our midfielder that could cause most damage.

Nic Nat and Lycett V Wood and Casboult could get interesting. I'd favour our ruckman to win out

HALF FORWARDS: Chris Masten ~ Mark LeCras ~ Sharrod Wellingham
HALF BACKS: Sam Docherty ~ Simon White ~ Andrejs Everitt

FULL FORWARDS: Scott Lycett ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Jamie Cripps
FULL BACKS: Sam Rowe ~ Michael Jamison ~ Zach Tuohy

LeCras at CHF is different but he obviously wouldn't be your traditional CHF stationed on the 50 and out muscling his opponent. Wet conditions won't be condusive for high marking. Just tell him to constantly provide a contest, get front position over his man for a contest and over the shoulder frees), if the ball goes to ground we've got a HF line of smaller players. Would need to be wary that he would probably have a taller opponent so lower the eyes when kicking inside 50 to him and keep your kicks low. I'd back LeCras at ground level to beat his man. AGAIN If it's wet it won't be a night for high marking forwards, which could help us in defence being a tall short. If it was dry than different story.

INTERCHANGE: Dom Sheed ~ Jackson Nelson ~ Jamie Bennell
INTERCHANGE: Tom Bell ~ Andrew Carrazzo ~ Patrick Cripps

SUB: Tom Lamb
Clem Smith

 

[wotdoiput]

Convenient that you asked who out of the next 6 picks would you have preferred considering Dangerfield was the 7th pick after. I would have preferred Myers, Henderson and McEvoy (all within the next 6 picks), but concede output difference to date is fairly negligible when compared to Masten. I would have much preferred Cyril, Lobbe, Harry Taylor, Rance and Callan Ward (output difference not negligible) who were also top 20 picks. Also Ebert who we drafted after is a better player.

After Sheppard, I would prefer Butcher, drafted directly after Sheppard (concede that is highly debatable since he can't kick) but would also have preferred Talia, Jetta and Melksham.

Id also say that's highly debateable since from what I have seen ( and my Port supporting mates have told me) he doesn't look anywhere near AFL standard. A lot of that might be down to his back injury but still.

Also Lobbe was drafted as a CHF, he was a dud as a key forward. Now is a pretty good ruckmen. But we had Cox and Nick Nat..... did we need another ruckmen before this year? Now we have Lycett and Sinclair so I would call that a pressing need, ditto for McEvoy. Some time revisionist history isnt the best thing to do

The rest, well some the names we missed out on could make you cry. Even if I like Masten missing out on Cyril hurts. Shepphard... well never really rated him especially for where he was drafted.

 

[Smotie]

I have to say, this past few days has been the worst this board has ever been.

Not sure what else you could expect to be honest.
If we were playing kids and our midfield was developing we could stomach the losses. The reason there is doom and gloom is because we are shit and the MC won't change the team or more specifically the midfield.
We don't understand the selections based on performances.
Creates hopelessness.

 

[Spoon_Man]

Just looking at the forecast for Friday, it's a bloody good thing we did that handball exercise under sprinklers this pre-season.

I'm predicting sideways rain and Naita to kick 3 last quarter goals to win us the game...

 

[SwiftNShuey]

Convenient that you asked who out of the next 6 picks would you have preferred considering Dangerfield was the 7th pick after. I would have preferred Myers, Henderson and McEvoy (all within the next 6 picks), but concede output difference to date is fairly negligible when compared to Masten. I would have much preferred Cyril, Lobbe, Harry Taylor, Rance and Callan Ward (output difference not negligible) who were also top 20 picks. Also Ebert who we drafted after is a better player.

After Sheppard, I would prefer Butcher, drafted directly after Sheppard (concede that is highly debatable since he can't kick) but would also have preferred Talia, Jetta and Melksham.

Wow, so easy in hindsight isn't it.. May as well just say you would have taken Fyfe and Danger, we'd be alright then!

 

[MIKE85]

I'm predicting sideways rain and Naita to kick 3 last quarter goals to win us the game...

2009, is that you??

 

[truman]

Wow, so easy in hindsight isn't it.. May as well just say you would have taken Fyfe and Danger, we'd be alright then!

I agree to an extent but at the same time if you use that argument you can never hold a recruiting team to account.

 

[truman]

Id also say that's highly debateable since from what I have seen ( and my Port supporting mates have told me) he doesn't look anywhere near AFL standard. A lot of that might be down to his back injury but still.

Also Lobbe was drafted as a CHF, he was a dud as a key forward. Now is a pretty good ruckmen. But we had Cox and Nick Nat..... did we need another ruckmen before this year? Now we have Lycett and Sinclair so I would call that a pressing need, ditto for McEvoy. Some time revisionist history isnt the best thing to do

The rest, well some the names we missed out on could make you cry. Even if I like Masten missing out on Cyril hurts. Shepphard... well never really rated him especially for where he was drafted.

Well from what I've seen of Butcher, he is a superb mark, I would take him over Sheppard but that is highly debatable. Well I'd rather Lobbe and have a surplus of good ruckmen than have Masten and have surplus of average/poor midfielders. Same argument for drafting Mcevoy.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Carlton is one of 4 clubs I picked below us and seeing its over here we will win it, if we don't then potentially we are a bottom 4 side.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Carlton is one of 4 clubs I picked below us and seeing its over here we will win it, if we don't then potentially we are a bottom 4 side.

I wouldnt have had u bottom 4 before the season, but with the 2 knee injuries and a couple others still out, could be a tough start, granted Carton are poo

 

[DanWCE]

Would be keen to see Duggan as sub. Will build his tank more than a bye in the WAFL.. Seems reasonably composed and good user by hand or foot. All things handy in a contested, wet game.

 

[Xsess]

I'd like someone to come off the line at the bounce and sit Judd on his arse.