Changes vs Carlton

[Kingfish73]

Just play moore. Be kick in the nuts if he is not selected

 

[Janus]

Moore is quicker than Colquhoun and has better run and carry.

Yeah, I don't know where this idea that Colquhoun is fast came from. Probably from people trying to justify his inclusion into the side when he really didn't bring anything to the table other than racking up possessions like Kane did in his worst years. If you need someone like that in the side, upgrade Krak and play whoever is performing the best out of Ah Chee/Moore/Young up forward and then rotate them into the midfield with Wines so you can burn rotations on Krakouer.

There are two ways you can win a fight. Either you use speed and dodge and weave and don't get hit - the run and spread option - or you can bulk up, absorb the hits and use blunt force trauma. Of course, great fighters have a combination of both. Our problem seems to be that when we lose, we think the solution is to add more speed - even if we don't have it. Now White and Polec are gone, speed is gone. There IS no speed. There is still spread, but if your midfield is getting beaten to a pulp inside they're not exactly going to have the desire to push hard and create options. Sure, they weren't getting knocked over, but they were definitely getting rocked.

Now, perhaps Ken has privately conceded the season is shot regardless now that he's missing Ryder, Trengove, Polec, White and Cornes out of his best 22, and he's using this as an opportunity to see what each player can offer in terms of plugging various holes. If so, I can get behind that. It's only in the heat of battle and adversity that you can fully appreciate the mettle of the players you have. But if he hasn't conceded it and believes that we can still give it a real shake, then bring in some bigger bodies until you can re-inject the speed side of things.

 

[TeeKray]

Moore is quicker than Colquhoun and has better run and carry.

Too bad he can't find the pill. Colquhoun in his first game back at the level from a knee reco had it 20 times. Moore has done that 8 times in 50 games. No use being quick if you don't have the footy. I'm probably quicker than Colquhoun too, that doesn't mean Ken should pick me in the 22.

 

[finbarr]

Yeah, I don't know where this idea that Colquhoun is fast came from. Probably from people trying to justify his inclusion into the side when he really didn't bring anything to the table other than racking up possessions like Kane did in his worst years.

This was my fear when the chorus for Colquhoun's inclusion began in earnest when it became clear Kane was about to retire. His retirement was a chance to wipe the slate clean and take a slightly different direction with regards to his replacement. But it just seems everyone wants another Kane-Lite, which is what Colquhoun is, minus the ability to tag. If the rest of the team is playing well they'll look ok with the ball in hand. If we're playing shit they just become part of the sludge fest. They're role players, and when their role becomes redundant during the course of a match we're pretty much left with a dead weight in the 22.
Ah Chee is somebody who has the potential to change the course of a game in the blink of an eye. I have no idea when and how he was pigeonholed into the "pure inside mid" role, because he ain't. He has great skills, good speed, a big sidestep, and he's a risk taker. I'd back him in playing just about anywhere on the ground.

 

[finbarr]

Too bad he can't find the pill. Colquhoun in his first game back at the level from a knee reco had it 20 times. Moore has done that 8 times in 50 games. No use being quick if you don't have the footy. I'm probably quicker than Colquhoun too, that doesn't mean Ken should pick me in the 22.

This is the same argument people used to make for Kane Cornes when he was at his seagulling worst. Have you watched Colquhoun's games at the Magpies? I'd take 15 Moore or Ah Chee possessions over 35 Colquhoun ones.

 

[R_Gray_Jnr_Jnr]

Out: Jonas, White, Clurrey, S Gray, S Colqhoun, Stewart

In: Ah Chee, Moore, Ryder, Trengrove, Krakouer, Amon

Its basically get rid of pure shit and reward form. Ffs Ken why can you not see what everyone else can. Stop being a stubborn nob and make the required changes. Yes if it doesn't pay off and we lose to Carlton the media will tear you to shreds, but for crying out loud back and play our BEST 22! And Ken ffs stop with the we will show up and work hard each week blah blah bullshit, there is players i.e. Arch and Moore who turn up and work hard each week. REWARD THEM. Maybe even give Tommy Logan a gig so he can teach the bystanders what it means to play for Port Adelaide FC.

 

[Janus]

Too bad he can't find the pill. Colquhoun in his first game back at the level from a knee reco had it 20 times. Moore has done that 8 times in 50 games. No use being quick if you don't have the footy. I'm probably quicker than Colquhoun too, that doesn't mean Ken should pick me in the 22.

Colquhoun could have the ball 50 times, but it means jack shit if he doesn't do anything constructive with it. And if he's not doing anything constructive with the 20 times he's getting the ball, what else is he bringing to the table? I don't mean kicking around to free players in a switch to boost his disposal efficiency either - I mean going on a run, busting through packs, hitting a lace out pass to a leading player etc. Things that make you go 'Yep, I can see why Hinkley included him in the side.'

At least with guys like Ah Chee and Moore they will either crash packs or block for other players so even when they aren't doing something they are doing something. Stats by themselves mean absolutely nothing without context.

 

[TeeKray]

This is the same argument people used to make for Kane Cornes when he was at his seagulling worst. Have you watched Colquhoun's games at the Magpies? I'd take 15 Moore or Ah Chee possessions over 35 Colquhoun ones.

One of the fundamentals in footy is 'if you've got it, they don't'. You need to be able to win the ball, in the contest at ground level and running to receive. Comparing Colquhoun to Kane is, frankly, a massive compliment to Colquhoun.

I don't see much of the Magpies games so I can only judge on what they deliver at AFL level. I like what I see of Colquhoun at AFL level. Moore not so much. I'd rather 15 possessions from Wingard than Colquhoun, not really sure Moore is that damaging that 15 from him beats 35 from someone else.

 

[finbarr]

One of the fundamentals in footy is 'if you've got it, they don't'. You need to be able to win the ball, in the contest at ground level and running to receive. Comparing Colquhoun to Kane is, frankly, a massive compliment to Colquhoun.

Another one of the fundamentals of footy is if you're 30 points down with 15 minutes left on the clock gathering cheap stats and chipping the ball around the defensive arc isn't going to get you into a winning position.

 

[TeeKray]

Colquhoun could have the ball 50 times, but it means jack shit if he doesn't do anything constructive with it. And if he's not doing anything constructive with the 20 times he's getting the ball, what else is he bringing to the table? I don't mean kicking around to free players in a switch to boost his disposal efficiency either - I mean going on a run, busting through packs, hitting a lace out pass to a leading player etc. Things that make you go 'Yep, I can see why Hinkley included him in the side.'

I didn't see much of that kicking around to free players at all from Colquhoun on Friday night. Heaven knows that's not how the game was played.

Ball winning is absolutely key to the game. Kane Cornes cops flak for not being damaging enough. 300 games, a premiership, 4 best and fairests, multiple All Australian. Moore can't even get a game and it's not because he's less damaging that Cornes was, it's because he doesn't win enough of the ball and doesn't contribute enough to play as a midfielder at AFL level.

 

[finbarr]

I'm not saying Colquhoun might not have a role to play, but in the current side with it's current balance he just looks to me like a luxury we can't afford right now. We're too small and too easily bullied as it is, and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly wasn't at the game on Friday night because Geelong's players looks like hulks next to ours. They played like it too.

 

[BIG MATTY WHITE]

Colquhoun could have the ball 50 times, but it means jack shit if he doesn't do anything constructive with it. And if he's not doing anything constructive with the 20 times he's getting the ball, what else is he bringing to the table? I don't mean kicking around to free players in a switch to boost his disposal efficiency either - I mean going on a run, busting through packs, hitting a lace out pass to a leading player etc. Things that make you go 'Yep, I can see why Hinkley included him in the side.'

At least with guys like Ah Chee and Moore they will either crash packs or block for other players so even when they aren't doing something they are doing something. Stats by themselves mean absolutely nothing without context.

I think you are being a tad harsh on hoon....i thought he earnt his spot and played well first game back....we have alot worse players running around providing zero return on their stats...

But i do agree with you on your thoughts on moore and archee .....s gray should not be playing in the middle if these 2 are on the sidelines

 

[finbarr]

Moore can't even get a game and it's not because he's less damaging that Cornes was, it's because he doesn't win enough of the ball and doesn't contribute enough to play as a midfielder at AFL level.

Simply untrue.

 

[Portmanteau]

At least with guys like Ah Chee and Moore they will either crash packs or block for other players so even when they aren't doing something they are doing something.

And they struggle to find their own ball around the ground. We need more to our system than just having guys who can contribute to winning the ball at stoppage, we have 5 players doing that already. Colquhoun's ability to find space and link up will be vital if we can't get the game on our terms.

More broadly, I don't think people would have as much problem with ; if PStew and Sam Gray weren't also in the team. In isolation, he is a necessary hop that adds a point of difference in the absence of Polec. The problem is with the SANFL standard players that remain in the team and struggle to crack 10 possessions, not Sammy C.

 

[TeeKray]

Simply untrue.

So why do you think Moore doesn't get a game?

 

[finbarr]

So why do you think Moore doesn't get a game?

I haven't the faintest idea. Why does Sam Gray get a game? I don't know.

 

[Chokito]

I think we should lose to Carlton and really set up a stellar comeback for the second half of the season and then totally win the Premiership.

-_-

 

[simmo_bc]

In: Wanganeen, Tredrea, James

Out: Gray, Stewart, White

 

[simmo_bc]

I think we should lose to Carlton and really set up a stellar comeback for the second half of the season and then totally win the Premiership.

-_-

and then make a movie about it!

 

[Chokito]

and then make a movie about it!

Starring:

Chris Pratt as Travis Bok
Bill Murray as Kern Hunkley
Melissa McCarthy as The Watergirl

 

[Nemisis]

I think it is time to get the 'Grunt' band back together:
2015 is not over but we got to give the following some game time

Moore IN - let him prove he is worthy of a starting midfielder. Grunt and size
Young STAYS - turn him into a half fwd/fill in mid. Grunt and a goal kicker
Ah Che IN - keep him in the side all year. Grunt and skills

Out: Gray, Stewart and White

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Harvey for Sam Gray - our forward line increases by 20cms
Ryder for Stewart - but he plays the Stephen Michael/Mark Blicavs role and plays on ball, uses his big body and is 3rd man up at stoppages like Blicavs on Friday night. Lobbe to be subbed before 3/4 time and Paddy into ruck from then on.
Trengove for Clurrey
Ah Chee for Young a bigger bodied extractor
Amon for Hoon a speed v plodder change
Krakouer for White to replace some of White's speed. Manufactue the upgrade somehow

Westhoff remains running around like an unregistered dog under this set up.

 

[PowerBaz]

Watching the hoon of Friday (although he coughed it up a couple of times), I thought he was pretty decent, actually thinks about his options rather than just blasting away... Like most of our team at the minute.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Watching the hoon of Friday (although he coughed it up a couple of times), I thought he was pretty decent, actually thinks about his options rather than just blasting away... Like most of our team at the minute.

You obviously missed the last 3 or 4 minutes of the first quarter. 2 really poor errors. One cost us a goal the other should have but a bad kick from Geelong saved us. Wasnt as bad for rest of game.

 

[Steve Dore]

Does anyone really believe that Kern will make 4 - 6 changes?