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fraser25 said:
It's easier to score this big when you don't have to worry about winning matches. It's not his fault the rest of his team sucks but others have proved themselves with big scores in big pressure situations.
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So his century against queensland wasn't a big pressure situation when SA had to chase 334 on the final day and klinger got 137. Or his unbeaten 130 against tassie in the one dayers when SA had to chase down more than 310.

Rogers deserves his shot as he has been the most consistent opener for the past 5 years but klinger season has been more that just a fluke.

Its easier to make big scores when your team has confidence in your abilities.
 
Smokey_22 said:
Those who think Hughes will get the nod clearly have no idea about the conservativism of the Australian selectors.
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Difference is, we're no longer in a position where we can afford to be conservative. If Hughes is dubbed as that 'once in a generation' player, he'll be given the opportunity.
 
Rogers has an ugly technique I suspect will be exposed at Test level. He looked out of it, badly, in his only Test.
 

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give hughes a go in the ODIs, then ease him in the test team in the following years.
 
baba ganush said:
Rogers has an ugly technique I suspect will be exposed at Test level. He looked out of it, badly, in his only Test.
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He had one test, got a bad decision (LBW) and a pretty good nut early to get caught behind, you'd reckon more than 5 years of consistent runs in the best first class comp in the world should earn you more than one chance.
 
lards said:
Rogers deserves his shot as he has been the most consistent opener for the past 5 years but klinger season has been more that just a fluke.
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Klinger still has to prove that...

his first 10 seasons of first class cricket yielded 39 matches, about 1550 runs at 27ish with 2 centuries.

it's no doubt been a stunning season, but after plodding along for so long i can't imagine the selectors thinking about him till at least this time next year.... but as i said, if he finishes this year with an average in the 80's and is in similar vein of form come christmas time next year he's name will certainly start to get thrown around....
 
Hughes is infront of Klinger, as great as hes been this season hes had one good season. Hughes is going on to have his 2nd great season in a row. Klinger needs to show this form for more than 1 season cause if we are picking on 1 season than Pomersbach would be in the side and probably going as bad as Hayden seeing how hes gone for WA.
 
While I think Rogers deserves the chance in Test Cricket, IMO the selectors believe he and Katich are very similar players and would not want the two to open together. Jacques is the perfect fit, but until hes back I think we should invest the time into Hughes and get a group of younger players together who will be around for a long time. (like SA has done with Morkel, Duimeny, Prince, Harris, Amla etc, all given the chance in test cricket without having alot of first class experience)
 
Black Thunder said:
Klinger still has to prove that...

his first 10 seasons of first class cricket yielded 39 matches, about 1550 runs at 27ish with 2 centuries.

it's no doubt been a stunning season, but after plodding along for so long i can't imagine the selectors thinking about him till at least this time next year.... but as i said, if he finishes this year with an average in the 80's and is in similar vein of form come christmas time next year he's name will certainly start to get thrown around....
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Klinger's always had the talent, he just wasn't really a smart cricketer, it's obvious that something up in his mind has clicked because he's playing to his potential finally. Previously he looked lost in FC cricket, unable to really figure out when to score and when to block.

He captained the Australian under 19s in the same team as Michael Clarke (who was vice captain) too.
 
I would prefer Hughes to Rodgers and not just because he is younger although that is a factor given that the last 6 years all we have seemed to do is top up with 30 year olds. My problem with Rodgers is that he walks a lot across his stumps and I feel he would get found out against the quality of the SA attack. To be honest I have never seen Hughes bat (i live in London) but have followed his scores closesly and he seems a big game player. The 100 in the final and this year a 90 and 100 where he pretty much scored 50% of NSW score for the game when everyone else failed on a difficult pitch says he is a real winner. As for klinger I worry about a player who has taken so long to shine and think he needs to prove himself over 2-3 years as this could be a 1 year wonder. He is also batting at adelaide which is designed for batsmen.
 

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sherrthecat said:
Klinger's always had the talent, he just wasn't really a smart cricketer, it's obvious that something up in his mind has clicked because he's playing to his potential finally. Previously he looked lost in FC cricket, unable to really figure out when to score and when to block.

He captained the Australian under 19s in the same team as Michael Clarke (who was vice captain) too.
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Klinger skippered the side when Clarke, Watson and Hauritz were all a year younger.

Clarke skippered the side the following year and strangely Hauritz was the captain the following year even though he wasn't U/19 !
 
Thommo 42 said:
Rogers is not well liked amongst player circles - shouldn't matter, but it does.....
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yeah i found that out the other day too when discussing amongst people who is likely to take over from Hayden....

Sounds like there is more to leaving W.A. then just wanting to play one-day cricket...

I did know that he's old man was not well liked in sydney grade circles during the 70's. He's possibly caught a few of his traits.... who knows.

I still think he's the most likely to get picked. As i said it's not going to hurt Hughes one bit to cut his teeth in state cricket for a couple more seasons. It's not like the guys in front of him - Katich, Rogers and Jaques - are young guns as well who could be in front of him for years and years. Katich is born 1975, Rogers 1977 and Jaques 1979 so Kat and Rogers you wouldn't expect to be around beyond 2010/2011...

If it went that way it would give Hughes 4 full seasons of shield cricket and then earmarking him at coming into the side around about 2011/2012 at which stage he'd have just turned 23 coming into that season. He could still easily be a 10-year opener for us from that stage.

And also Rogers may be a failure at international level in which case that would fast track Hughes i think. I'm a big fan of Rogers but i know he is technically limited. But i still think from sheer weight of runs he deserves the chance, but because of his limitations (moves across the crease a bit too much, and doesn't have much power. great placer of the ball though) he may not suceed at international level in which case Hughes will probably come in.

We don't know what's going to happen with Jaques - when he comes back he may have completely lost his touch (it's happened before, although usally to bowlers) so at the moment we should be planning as if he won't play again.
 
Just on Michael Klinger too; i've been intrigued by his season because as long as i've been following shield cricket (since i was about 11 or 12 which is mid 90's) i can't remember a guy with such a mediocre record just coming out of nowhere and having such a stellar season.

He's currently scored 910ish runs and from 11 innings and an average of 90.1 or thereabouts (don't have exact figures, but i know i'm within 20 runs and it's above 900 at 90 cause i looked yesterday)....

Now i'd expect him to come back to the pack somewhat. That's the nature of cricket (and we're seeing that with Hussey at the moment, who's test average has finally come below 60)... So i reckon he'll finish this season with an average of 75 to 80. Now my comment saying he would warrant selection for the boxing day test next year is based upon him still averaging 70+ for the first half of 2009/2010. If he were able to do that, that would definetaly cancel out the start of his career IMO and show it is not just a flash in the pan and put him right in the forefront of the selectors mind.

But lets just say he doesn't come back to the pack this season, and actually improves his average, scores another 4 tons (he had 2 from 39 matches coming into this season. now 4 from 6 in this season) and finishes the season with 1700 runs at an average of 110+.... if that were the case then you'd probably think that's a strong case for selection on the South African and Ashes tour...

But time will tell what we make of Klinger's current form. I hope he does continue it on - It can't be anything but good for our team that we can bring a guy into the team in that sort of form. But we do have to make sure it's not just short term....
 
thebigboy said:
Agree with that.

Hussey at the top of the order with Katich would be my go and have a Marcus North in the middle order.
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Thebigboy has been picking at my brain! :D

I agree totally with your post. North could prove invaluable. Though Rogers does deserve another shot.

Hughes will be a gun, he's started well but needs to finish the season with NSW - I would however name him to tour England next year.

Hilfy also needs to be given a crack.
 
Black Thunder said:
Just on Michael Klinger too; i've been intrigued by his season because as long as i've been following shield cricket (since i was about 11 or 12 which is mid 90's) i can't remember a guy with such a mediocre record just coming out of nowhere and having such a stellar season.

He's currently scored 910ish runs and from 11 innings and an average of 90.1 or thereabouts (don't have exact figures, but i know i'm within 20 runs and it's above 900 at 90 cause i looked yesterday)....
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I'd put a flag on that Ferguson fella from SA also - gee he has a smart cricket brain. Young guy who will be on the radar with Hughes in the next couple of years. :thumbsu:
 

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Jaques has a test average of nearly 50. Injuries have curtailed him but he is a better batsman than Rogers.

Rogers looked way out of his depth on his debut and from the jungle drums sounds like he falls under the shit bloke category with Hodge.
 
Rogers raises a good point, a number of players have no idea where they stand. Are they in line, why aren't they being picked, what can they do to get picked. It shouldn't be that hard for our selectors to answer one of those questions at the very least.
 
Whether you like it or not, personality issues have been probably his major issue. I know from a number of people that Rogers although is a good bat, does cause personality issues in terms of the team, in particular the hierachy at the highest level. He proabably won't be coming back into the side unless he sorts out this.
 
bombersno1 said:
Whether you like it or not, personality issues have been probably his major issue. I know from a number of people that Rogers although is a good bat, does cause personality issues in terms of the team, in particular the hierachy at the highest level. He proabably won't be coming back into the side unless he sorts out this.
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any more on this??
 
flight23 said:
any more on this??
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Won't go into specifics, but in general, Ponting and him just don't get on and as a result caused friction in the camp. It is sad that Rogers is being judged on how well "he fits into the team" rather than runs, but that is reality. Compare him to say Watson who Ponting, Clarke and co love to bits. On paper just looking at stats Rogers should be in the side, but there is more to a test side than run scoring.
 

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