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[loki04]

I want Jarred Brennan from Gold Coast. I would think he would be cheap and could be played as our second ruck/forward.

Oh hell no.

He makes the simple hard.....really really hard.

You lament turnovers this guys is one of the worse offenders in the league for it, is also afraid of contact.

 

[jmac70]

Hard to tell from the outside. If he wants to create his own group we're in for some sharp short term pain while he rebuilds the list with just those he wants.

There will be some posters on this board that will struggle to accept that concept. I think you are right and that it is already underway.

 

[The Spread]

Geez you lot are hard on steele sidebottom. Gets to contests on both sides of the ground and is probably in the top five decision makers at your club. Agree that brown is a shaky key defender,maxwell is a passenger and shaw/obrien are not as damaging from halfback as those from other elite level clubs. Opposition forwards pretty much know and anticipate that all they want to do is run. Forward 50 entires is also a major concern. Never feel like collingwood will punish turnovers like others in the top 8. Your willingness to kick long to disadvantage is baffling and has been an issue since 2011. Not sure why this hasn't been addressed and it was glaring once again last night. Having said that, I reckon that talent-wise Collingwood are a top four side a have a lot to be optimistic about in the future.

 

[the mighty T]

It was Reid's worst game for the season last night. But what really threw the forward line out of whack was the presence of Keeffe. He was continually running into the holes that Reid and Cloke needed to be leading into. I think it was a big mistake of Buckley's to play Keeffe in this role. I don't blame Keeffe for this, it was his first game up forward all year. It reminded me of the Cloke to CHF move by MM in the 03' GF all those years ago. We also had Elliott and Maxwell through the forward line. Far too many tall and lead up types. The balance was completely off.

Glad im not the only one who noticed.. Ridiculous decision to play him forward. Provided no pressure and the ball just flew out

 

[Quicky]

Glad im not the only one who noticed.. Ridiculous decision to play him forward. Provided no pressure and the ball just flew out

Cloke, Reid, Keeffe and Maxwell all in the same forward line. It's not like you couldn't predict that was going to happen. That's what is so baffling about the decision.

It highlights something else. We really lack creative, goal kicking small forwards. Guys that are natural fowards. It has to be a priority this draft.

 

[Pera]

Geez you lot are hard on steele sidebottom. Gets to contests on both sides of the ground and is probably in the top five decision makers at your club. Agree that brown is a shaky key defender,maxwell is a passenger and shaw/obrien are not as damaging from halfback as those from other elite level clubs. Opposition forwards pretty much know and anticipate that all they want to do is run. Forward 50 entires is also a major concern. Never feel like collingwood will punish turnovers like others in the top 8. Your willingness to kick long to disadvantage is baffling and has been an issue since 2011. Not sure why this hasn't been addressed and it was glaring once again last night. Having said that, I reckon that talent-wise Collingwood are a top four side a have a lot to be optimistic about in the future.

Brown isn't a shaky defender.

Our side leaves the poor bloke's opponent acres of space on the rebound and he does very well in countless one on ones. Kept the Coleman medalist to a solitary last minute goal and kept Josh Kennedy goalless in the last month.

He had one shithouse game against Cameron where he didnt give a rat's tossbag but his season on a whole is a solid 8.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

I think if he was going to realise his potential he would have already. Not even best 22 at GC anymore is he?

He's not being played as a second ruck with GC because they dont need him to, they have plenty of talented big men. He would be a quick agile target up forward and would be a decent second ruck option, at least giving us plenty of run around the ground. Im pretty sure he's gettable and I really think we should go for it. Having a forward line of Cloke, Brennan and Reid would be a lot more dangerous, and harder to run the ball out against.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Oh hell no.

He makes the simple hard.....really really hard.

You lament turnovers this guys is one of the worse offenders in the league for it, is also afraid of contact.

Worse decisions than a second ruckman would? Lynch? Leigh Brown? He wouldn't need to find the ball more than 10-15 times, and just needs to focus on providing pressure around the contest when he is on ball. Guys like Andrew Walker took 8 years to reach their peak. Brennan is talented and comes cheap.

 

[KJpie]

2 points. Last year was the only one in many throughout which Young was largely available for selection.

Second point, no matter how good a season O'Brien had, he is one of the worst culprits in terms of disposal and did not perform as hoped last night. We will retain him because despite his deficiencies he is one of our better players. While he remains one of our best (laughable the calls for his AA selection), we will be a mediocre side. We lack class players with decent kicking skills.

Point 1: has averaged 16 games in the past 6 years or 73% of all games played. If you take 2009 out of the equation he has averaged 18 games a year at 82% (hardly largely unavailable).

Point 2: Agreed he was not great last night but their were others who were worse. I added that he was a FA next year at this stage (unless he renegotiates a new contract) to highlight the fact that his value on the trade table will greatly diminish next year if you wish to see the end as is evident.

My gut tells me though that Harry may just well leave the game earlier rather than latter in his career????

And yes our kicking skills were again found wanting under pressure.

 

[ksardog]

What we need is speed. We are slow. Missing from our sides of 2010-11 through injury, trade or retirement are daisy, wellingham, toovey, davis.

This needs to be fixed, we were the best spreading team by far 2 years ago and we are mid range at best now. Also need this mids to be able to hit a target unlike the current crop we hav

 

[HFF]

Brennan would be a great third tall option in attack and he can also take a turn in the midfield as that taller midfielder too.

It should definitely be explored if he is available IMO.

I'd do our first pick plus Shaw for their first pick and Brennan plus a sweetener or something along those lines.

 

[KJpie]

I want Jarred Brennan from Gold Coast. I would think he would be cheap and could be played as our second ruck/forward.

Hell no!!!

 

[loki04]

What we need is speed. We are slow. Missing from our sides of 2010-11 through injury, trade or retirement are daisy, wellingham, toovey, davis.

This needs to be fixed, we were the best spreading team by far 2 years ago and we are mid range at best now. Also need this mids to be able to hit a target unlike the current crop we hav

Spot on.

 

[the mighty T]

Cloke, Reid, Keeffe and Maxwell all in the same forward line. It's not like you couldn't predict that was going to happen. That's what is so baffling about the decision.

It highlights something else. We really lack creative, goal kicking small forwards. Guys that are natural fowards. It has to be a priority this draft.

If Keeffe was up for the second ruck role, i woulve preferred he just followed Ports ruckman around the ground and nullified their influence in the air.

Oh but we've lacked that for a while. The one thing that made up for it was a smattering of goals from midfielders like Sidey, Beams, Ball etc. Our last creative small was Davis

 

[GeelongFTW]

In: Ling,

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we call dibs!!!!

 

[KJpie]

We need to do a 'Hawthorn' and use the threat of free agency to prise decent players away from other clubs.

We need Daisy to decide his future ASAP jmac so we can start planning for the entire trade period and in doing so chase a FA or two.

 

[loki04]

Brennan would be a great third tall option in attack and he can also take a turn in the midfield as that taller midfielder too.

It should definitely be explored if he is available IMO.

I'd do our first pick plus Shaw for their first pick and Brennan plus a sweetener or something along those lines.

Seriously he is a flake and on top of this for someone so talented he tries to turn the simple into the impossible at every opportunity, is not a team player and butchers his kicks often.

No and again NO.

 

[Quicky]

If Keeffe was up for the second ruck role, i woulve preferred he just followed Ports ruckman around the ground and nullified their influence in the air.

Oh but we've lacked that for a while. The one thing that made up for it was a smattering of goals from midfielders like Sidey, Beams, Ball etc. Our last creative small was Davis

Krakouer and Didak at their best go okay. We just haven't seen their best in a while. We do need to address this. But we never seem to target this position in the draft. I'd like to see us take a punt on a Garner type player at some point.

 

[the mighty T]

Brown isn't a shaky defender.

Our side leaves the poor bloke's opponent acres of space on the rebound and he does very well in countless one on ones. Kept the Coleman medalist to a solitary last minute goal and kept Josh Kennedy goalless in the last month.

He had one shithouse game against Cameron where he didnt give a rat's tossbag but his season on a whole is a solid 8.

Yep, he's had a bloody good year but a lot of supporters judge him on his worst performances and ignore his best. Doesnt help when our mids arent making putting any pressure on

 

[supernova_]

Brennan would be a great third tall option in attack and he can also take a turn in the midfield as that taller midfielder too.

It should definitely be explored if he is available IMO.

I'd do our first pick plus Shaw for their first pick and Brennan plus a sweetener or something along those lines.

So Brennan + pick 5 for Shaw + pick 11? I think that's your first pick?

How about Brennan + A.Hall for Obrien?

 

[KJpie]

Our last creative small was Davis

Krak?

 

[HFF]

Seriously he is a flake and on top of this for someone so talented he tries to turn the simple into the impossible at every opportunity, is not a team player and butchers his kicks often.

No and again NO.

I just want us to brave this off season and actually address our weaknesses and improve them. Last season we really didn't do that. The draft picks we received for Dawes and Wellingham were great because of the kids we managed to get in but all of lynch, Russell and Young flopped. Young I'd persist with because he couldn't get on the park but the other two are not good enough to persist with. We wasted a season with them.

We need to be brave here. This is the year to do it with many teams looking to put picks on the table.

See what we can get for guys like Shaw and Harry and pull the trigger. I'm happy to accept some short term pain for longer term gains with kids. Blair is potentially another we should put out there for trade.

See what we can get via free agency in terms of small half backs and half forwards. Toovey, Daisy and Fasolo back next season will address that to an extent but we need more. If we can't find anything via free agents go to the draft and find them.

Just be brave to make the hard calls.

 

[HFF]

So Brennan + pick 5 for Shaw + pick 11? I think that's your first pick?

How about Brennan + A.Hall for Obrien?

Why would you offload Hall? He looks very promising across half forward from what I've seen?

I would accept this deal.

 

[KJpie]

What we need is speed. We are slow. Missing from our sides of 2010-11 through injury, trade or retirement are daisy, wellingham, toovey, davis.

This needs to be fixed, we were the best spreading team by far 2 years ago and we are mid range at best now. Also need this mids to be able to hit a target unlike the current crop we hav

Add Johnson to that list, a player who had pace, could stick a tackle and was tough and courageous.

 

[supernova_]

Why would you offload Hall? He looks very promising across half forward from what I've seen?

I would accept this deal.

I'm not a fan of his personally, would rather Matera as our small lively forward. Unfortunately he was injured most of the year.