Politics Climate Change Paradox (cont in part 2)

Should we act now, or wait for a unified global approach


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Trees take up CO2 and they can release CO2. It all depends on the reaction rates.

We might yet produce super photosynthetic species that can sequester at rapid rates. There's a lot of work with ocean algae and seaweeds happening.
Lunch break’s over, professor.

Back to the lab.
 
I always thought it was only LNP voters that were the flogs that drove 4WDs in the city.

Apparently some greenies on this forum drive multiple 4WD. Live in big houses. Take trips overseas.

But offset it by having a vegie patch.

My most recent energy bill was $268 for the quarter. But Im the enemy.

Probably because Im not a hypocrite and that is embarrassing to the noisy ones who think everyone but themselves are the problem.

Like how Al Gore's house uses as much energy as a small Las Vegas casino :)
 

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Apparently some greenies on this forum drive multiple 4WD. Live in big houses. Take trips overseas.

But offset it by having a vegie patch.

My most recent energy bill was $268 for the quarter. But Im the enemy.

Probably because Im not a hypocrite and that is embarrassing to the noisy ones who think everyone but themselves are the problem.

Like how Al Gore's house uses as much energy as a small Las Vegas casino :)

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According to James Ogloff, the director of the Forensic Behavioural Science at Swinburne University, approximately 50 percent of Australia's bushfires are started by arsonists.

"They're interested in seeing fire, interested in setting fire and quite often the information around how fires burn and accelerate excites them," he told News Corp.

The University of Melbourne's associate professor Janet Stanley said that arsonists, or "firebugs", were typically young males aged either 12 to 24 or 60 and older.

It wouldn’t surprise me, but like everything, what matters is the trend. Are there more arsonists this year than ever? Or is there something else going on?
 
According to James Ogloff, the director of the Forensic Behavioural Science at Swinburne University, approximately 50 percent of Australia's bushfires are started by arsonists.

"They're interested in seeing fire, interested in setting fire and quite often the information around how fires burn and accelerate excites them," he told News Corp.

The University of Melbourne's associate professor Janet Stanley said that arsonists, or "firebugs", were typically young males aged either 12 to 24 or 60 and older.

like to see the direct link to that comment from the prof. not quotes from dubious links. so we can give it context. thanks.
 
Apparently some greenies on this forum drive multiple 4WD. Live in big houses. Take trips overseas.

But offset it by having a vegie patch.

My most recent energy bill was $268 for the quarter. But Im the enemy.

Probably because Im not a hypocrite and that is embarrassing to the noisy ones who think everyone but themselves are the problem.

Like how Al Gore's house uses as much energy as a small Las Vegas casino :)

I remembered reading about Al Gores energy use years ago.
Seems your data is 13 years out of date. Even the Fact-check post is over a decade old.


People can change, but not climate deniers, it seems.
 
I remembered reading about Al Gores energy use years ago.
Seems your data is 13 years out of date. Even the Fact-check post is over a decade old.


People can change, but not climate deniers, it seems.
Not so, 7.5b people on Earth must have some effect on the environment.
I just believe that incidentals like the Sun etc have a considerable impact.
 
The dataset includes vehicle and structure fires, so probably includes things like chips catching on fire or a poorly maintained grease trap in a bbq. It’s a broader dataset than bushfires, so the miscellany probably includes the diverse range of reasons houses catch on fire.

Two of the most devastating bushfires of the past 20 years were caused by lightning (Canberra 2003) and downed powerlines (Kinglake 2009), but around the same time there were arsonists. What evidence is there to assert these current fires are wholly different in nature than those which have gone before?

Some caution should be taken when considering these figures. Just over 40 percent of vegetation fires across Australia do not have a cause assigned by the responding fire agency. Furthermore, inconsistencies exist between and within agencies in recording data. For example, different agencies may have different thresholds as to when they consider a fire to be deliberate, suspicious or unknown. Despite these uncertainties, it is clear that natural fires are actually quite rare and that the vast majority of vegetation fires arise from human causes, including deliberate arson. These figures suggest that reducing deliberate bushfires can have a significant influence on the total number of fires in Australia.

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Trees take up CO2 and they can release CO2. It all depends on the reaction rates.

We might yet produce super photosynthetic species that can sequester at rapid rates. There's a lot of work with ocean algae and seaweeds happening.

A fair bit of work documenting the disappearance of Tasmanian Kelp, one of the best sequesters of carbon.

The Washington Post has published a feature article on it.

 
Not so, 7.5b people on Earth must have some effect on the environment.
I just believe that incidentals like the Sun etc have a considerable impact.

7.5b people and a significant change in the carbon cycle.
The sun certainly has an impact. It is the source of radiant energy. But it’s not going out all of a sudden and sunspot activity does not correlate with global warming or cooling.
Volcaic eruptions have a comparatively short term cooling effect.

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There’s been research on this stuff. It doesn’t have to be about whether you just believe it or not.
 
I remembered reading about Al Gores energy use years ago.
Seems your data is 13 years out of date. Even the Fact-check post is over a decade old.


People can change, but not climate deniers, it seems.

And alarmists have no sense of humour. You missed the reference to small Las Vegas casinos too it seems. Not just the smiley face.

BTW: how big is your place and what is your energy usage for how many people?

Ive said my last bill was $276 for a quarter for 3 people. I have flown once this year. Is global warming my fault just because I mock some of the outlandish claims?

Have you ever gone back to the late 90s to see the predictions? How about the late 00s? For 30 years we have been told we only have 5 or 10 years to act yet no action has happened and not much is changing.

Edit: I looked again. It was $256 for the quarter. Despite ever increasing energy costs.
 
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And alarmists have no sense of humour. You missed the reference to small Las Vegas casinos too it seems. Not just the smiley face.

BTW: how big is your place and what is your energy usage for how many people?

Ive said my last bill was $276 for a quarter for 3 people. I have flown once this year. Is global warming my fault just because I mock some of the outlandish claims?

Have you ever gone back to the late 90s to see the predictions? How about the late 00s? For 30 years we have been told we only have 5 or 10 years to act yet no action has happened and not much is changing.

Edit: I looked again. It was $256 for the quarter. Despite ever increasing energy costs.
Like the 2008 Garnaut report- outlandish!
 
And alarmists have no sense of humour. You missed the reference to small Las Vegas casinos too it seems. Not just the smiley face.

BTW: how big is your place and what is your energy usage for how many people?

Ive said my last bill was $276 for a quarter for 3 people. I have flown once this year. Is global warming my fault just because I mock some of the outlandish claims?

Have you ever gone back to the late 90s to see the predictions? How about the late 00s? For 30 years we have been told we only have 5 or 10 years to act yet no action has happened and not much is changing.

I have a sense of humour. I laughed and laughed when you regurgitated a decade old joke. It was so funny.

I think people should do what they feel able to do. We are a one car household, and with four adults my last power bill was $230 for two months. I haven’t flown this year, or 2019. But others in my family have.

If you are a climate denier you are contributing to the power base of those who are doing real and lasting damage to the lives of Australians and the world. So yes it is your fault. You are to blame for what will come.

A lot has changed in the 36 years since I became aware of the problem.
I think a great deal of the damage is irreversible and the changes that needed to happen needed to happen decades ago. So bushfires will happen more often and with greater ferocity. The ocean environment has been and will continue to be damaged beyond recovery. The warnings of 30 years ago, 20 years ago and 10 years ago are now too late, damage has been done.
The warnings going out now are more existential. This bushfire season is a small sign of what is to come. Bushfires, natural disasters, the collapse of ocean ecosystems, huge scale of extinctions, sea level changes, massive movement of people. It’s all to come, if we don’t act. I don’t think we will act.
 
Like the 2008 Garnaut report- outlandish!

Yes. He predicted bushfires. Something this country has had every decade or 2 for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

How special of him.

The bushfires were also predicted by scientists looking at fuel loads and the fact that Governments have ignored the findings of the 2010 Royal Commission.

But they are probably being paid by Big Oil.
 
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