Cloke V Petrie

[The Chrome Dome]

So what if cloke kicks 70+ goals and takes the same amount of contested marks as he did this year for the next 6/7 years?, because if he does that he doesn't only join those blokes he passes them, it's a big ask i know but saying he can't do it is ridiculous.

Passes them? Lol.


The only reason Cloke is about to break a contested marking record, is because Champion Data didn't exist prior to the late 90's.


Most of them DID rack up those numbers for 6+ years.

Carey kicked 60+ goals and lead the league in marks in 8/9 years, the one year he missed (97') was because he did his shoulder.

Carey was the AA captain at 21, and should of won the brownlow in that same year.






There isn't a single facet of the game that Cloke has over Carey, let alone some of the others.

Carey at the same age was a far better contested mark, smarter footballer, far more influence, bigger swagger, amazing on-field leader.

Their skillset isn't even comparable.



Cloke's a left footer, I dare say Carey was a better kick on that same foot......





R.e: the poll, I'd take Cloke everyday of the week, I liked the comparison of Petrie to Richo, it's a good one.

 

[Williamc99]

Petrie is a good player and North wouldn't be half the team they are without him but in saying that, Cloke is better than him imo. As for people saying that he could be better than Carey, Hart and all, he won't be. He is an exceptional CHF and I'm sure there's still room for improvement, but he will never reach the likes of those guys. So I'll vote for Cloke.

 

[g-man]

I have always been a huge fan of Petrie, I think he's a very good player but I'll take Cloke over him. Not a lot in it but I think Cloke is the better player of the two. As for comparisons to Carey and Hart, not even close. As much as I'm a Cloke fan, I wouldn't compare him to Loewe either. Not yet at least.

 

[DCS OO7]

Didn't say he was a hack mate, i said he was limited which he was, may i ask how old you are?, can i ask what your footy IQ is?.

You said you didn't care if Cloke kicked 70 goals for the next 6 years because he would never have the skill of the 80s-90s CHFs, but i'll tell you this mate, they never had the tank cloke has, they never worked their asses off back and fwd, they rarely ventured into their defensive 50, they didn't have roles to play in zones like the KPFs do today, they didn't have to guard offensive backs to the same extent they do today, they didn't deal with floods/ modern defenses, could the 80s=90s deal with it?, sure, but don't expect them to put up the same numbers as they were the good old days, think before you post, FTR if Franklin played 20/30yrs ago he wouldve kicked 150+

Dont ever compare Cloke to Carey again you muppet, he wont even be close to him by the end of his career.

Cloke is not even fit enough to carry Careys bag into the rooms.

 

[KillaKanga]

Petrie is having a great year but needs to pick up his accuracy in front of goal. 18 scoring shots for the last 2 weeks is awesome but 8 goals 10 is average. Only Franklin has kicked more behinds than him so far and Franklin has a shot whenever he gets the ball so will have quite a few points but alot of goals also.

Better accuracy would see Petrie in the 40's and in the running for the coleman.

 

[the distributer]

Good call.

20 Disposals
13 Marks (5 contested)
3 goals 5
119 Champion Data ranking.

He is such a gun. His ability to go into the middle and have an impact is also very important - as shown against the Dogs where he really got us going.

Easily even with Cloke this season.

Sad part about this is your actually believe it, Petrie has gone to shit against every decent team he's played, i don't even think he took a mark against us lol, he can hurt the weak teams with crap KPBs but that is all, Cloke is a mile infront and sadly for you the gap will only get bigger.

 

[The Zebra]

Sad part about this is your actually believe it, Petrie has gone to shit against every decent team he's played, i don't even think he took a mark against us lol, he can hurt the weak teams with crap KPBs but that is all, Cloke is a mile infront and sadly for you the gap will only get bigger.

Petrie's performance, as with all key forwards, is dependent on his midfields performance - on doubt. And in games where our midfield gets smashed, he is usually quiet.

How did cloke go when the Cats beat the Pies? Two marks was it? Way tpo stand up and show how it is done Trav.

There is no logical argument to suggest Cloke is 'a mile in front' of Petrie. Cloke is having an awesome year, he will rightly be the first choice AA forward, but Collingwood supporters like you are still managing to grossly overrate just how good he has been in comparison to other forwards in the league.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Sad part about this is your actually believe it, Petrie has gone to shit against every decent team he's played, i don't even think he took a mark against us lol, he can hurt the weak teams with crap KPBs but that is all, Cloke is a mile infront and sadly for you the gap will only get bigger.

In all honesty I don't think Cloke is that far ahead. He is a little way ahead, but the guy is stil only averaging 15 disposals, 7.6 marks and 2.8 gooals a game. It's not that great of a season compared to what other key forwards have done in the last 20 years. N Riewoldt, Franklin, Tredrea, Lloyd, Carey & Brown have all had better seasons than that in the last 15 years. Some have even had multiple better seasons.

It's a very good season, but it's not a shadow on some of the great KPFs seasons of the least decade or two.

Also how many clear Best On Ground, gamebreaking performances has Cloke had? I know Buddy has had 4 in 14 games this year and he is probably having his 2nd or 3rd best season to date.

Petrie has been very, very good this year. I have seen him rescue North a couple of times and play fantastic games. If I was to rate the KPFs out of 10 for output this season, it would be

Franklin - 9 ( 20.3 disposals, 6.4 marks, 3.6 goals a game is as good as any forwards numbers in the last decade )
Cloke - 8.5 ( Contested Marking machine, elite year )
Petrie - 8 ( A few BOG gamebreaking performances, elite year )
Kennedy - 7.5 ( Been very good, without being great/elite )
J. Riewoldt - 5 ( Poor )

A couple of really good games from Petrie and a few average weeks from Cloke and Petrie has gone past him imo. Not that much in it. Cloke hasn't been as good as some Collingwood suporters will have you believe this year and Petrie hasn't been as bad.

Both are having outstanding, elite years and both should be AA.

 

[Fitzey]

Who's been better this year? Petrie

 

[Number 10]

Who's been better this year? Petrie

What part of 18 less marks, 30 less contested marks, 7 less goals, 3 less tackles, 27 less kicks points towards Petrie having a better season??? Very confused.

And before you argue the "he can ruck as well" card, keep this in mind, Goldstien has been one of the top 2 rucks this year, whilst playing a shitload of game-time and they use Petrie in the ruck for some confidence if he is having a poor game or if Goldstein needs a break. And even then, Leigh Brown has had more hitouts than Petrie going through the middle (I know it's not about Brown vs. Petrie, but you see where I'm going as Leigh Brown is a fair plodder in the ruck.)

 

[samwise]

Cloke makes me wonder how many goals past players like Lockett would have kicked in a side like Collingwood with today's rules.

 

[benbanjo]

Petrie clearly the better player!! Full credit to Cloke though for even being compared to him considering his age!!

 

[Liam Boy]

Goldstien has been one of the top 2 rucks this year, whilst playing a shitload of game-time and they use Petrie in the ruck for some confidence if he is having a poor game or if Goldstein needs a break.

Yeah, Drewie usually plays about one ruck contest each game, sometimes none. It's expected Leigh Brown would have more. Oh and that bullshit about confidence? That has literally NEVER HAPPENED.

 

[the distributer]

Congratulations North supporters, you are the most deluded bunch on BF.

 

[Liam Boy]

Congratulations North supporters, you are the most deluded bunch on BF.

Cloke is better, no doubt. But that guy is pulling facts out of his ass.

 

[the distributer]

In all honesty I don't think Cloke is that far ahead. He is a little way ahead, but the guy is stil only averaging 15 disposals, 7.6 marks and 2.8 gooals a game. It's not that great of a season compared to what other key forwards have done in the last 20 years. N Riewoldt, Franklin, Tredrea, Lloyd, Carey & Brown have all had better seasons than that in the last 15 years. Some have even had multiple better seasons.

It's a very good season, but it's not a shadow on some of the great KPFs seasons of the least decade or two.

Also how many clear Best On Ground, gamebreaking performances has Cloke had? I know Buddy has had 4 in 14 games this year and he is probably having his 2nd or 3rd best season to date.

Petrie has been very, very good this year. I have seen him rescue North a couple of times and play fantastic games. If I was to rate the KPFs out of 10 for output this season, it would be

Franklin - 9 ( 20.3 disposals, 6.4 marks, 3.6 goals a game is as good as any forwards numbers in the last decade )
Cloke - 8.5 ( Contested Marking machine, elite year )
Petrie - 8 ( A few BOG gamebreaking performances, elite year )
Kennedy - 7.5 ( Been very good, without being great/elite )
J. Riewoldt - 5 ( Poor )

A couple of really good games from Petrie and a few average weeks from Cloke and Petrie has gone past him imo. Not that much in it. Cloke hasn't been as good as some Collingwood suporters will have you believe this year and Petrie hasn't been as bad.

Both are having outstanding, elite years and both should be AA.

Ok, lol.

 

[Liam Boy]

I agree with "Cloke hasn't been as good as some Collingwood suporters will have you believe this year and Petrie hasn't been as bad." but that just brings them closer together, Cloke is still ahead.

 

[the distributer]

I agree with "Cloke hasn't been as good as some Collingwood suporters will have you believe this year and Petrie hasn't been as bad." but that just brings them closer together, Cloke is still ahead.

People are forgeting that Cloke is a CHF and Drew has played mostly as a FF, and Clokes still kicked more goals, the gap is a large one.

 

[The Zebra]

People are forgeting that Cloke is a CHF and Drew has played mostly as a FF, and Clokes still kicked more goals, the gap is a large one.

No, it is not. Cloke has kicked 7 more goals and taken 18 more marks from one extra game with a dominant midfield. That is nothing.

And if you think Petrie just sits in the goal sqaure like a resting ruckman, you haven't watched him. He constantly works up the ground to be the target for kick in, plus he rucks and plays burst in the centre. He has an amazing workrate for a guy of his size.

 

[the distributer]

No, it is not. Cloke has kicked 7 more goals and taken 18 more marks from one extra game with a dominant midfield. That is nothing.

And if you think Petrie just sits in the goal sqaure like a resting ruckman, you haven't watched him. He constantly works up the ground to be the target for kick in, plus he rucks and plays burst in the centre. He has an amazing workrate for a guy of his size.

Cloke averages 5.4 inside 50s

Drew averages 1.9 inside 50s

What does that tell you?

It tells me that Drew spends a hell of a lot more time inside 50 than Cloke, J riewoldt averages 1.3 inside 50s and he plays as a genuine FF.

 

[The Zebra]

Cloke averages 5.4 inside 50s

Drew averages 1.9 inside 50s

What does that tell you?

It tells me that Drew spends a hell of a lot more time inside 50 than Cloke, J riewoldt averages 1.3 inside 50s and he plays as a genuine FF.

Petrie plays closer to goal. No argument from me.

But it is a huge feature of his game that a guy of his size works so far up the ground to assist link up and then pushes back so hard to get his marks close to goal.

Cloke should be much further ahead in marks and possessions if Petrie sits in the goal square and Cloke is a roaming CHF.

 

[the distributer]

Petrie plays closer to goal. No argument from me.

But it is a huge feature of his game that a guy of his size works so far up the ground to assist link up and then pushes back so hard to get his marks close to goal.

Cloke should be much further ahead in marks and possessions if Petrie sits in the goal square and Cloke is a roaming CHF.

Yeah but Petrie should be a long way ahead in goals kicked, drew is a fwd 50 taget 12.8 times per game compared to clokes 10.2, and remember we average a lot more inside 50s as a team, another interesting stat is Buddy and J. Reilwoldt all average the same in fwd 50 targets as drew, i can understand buddys numbers wouldve risen due to Roughy being injured though, but those stats tell me that buddy is also more of a FF than a CHF this year, i'm not comparing Cloke to Buddy though.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Cloke makes me wonder how many goals past players like Lockett would have kicked in a side like Collingwood with today's rules.

The rules haven't seen a massive goal increase for key forwards. But you could wonder how many he'd kick in a truly dominant side.

 

[Teffy]

All things being equal, Petrie is the better player.

He would kick 120 goals a year in the Collingwood forward line.

 

[the distributer]

All things being equal, Petrie is the better player.

He would kick 120 goals a year in the Collingwood forward line.

Bulls hit, he would kick atleast 600 IMO.