Autopsy Clutch Win at the MCG, Freo Down the Pies

[s_wd6]

All I remember was screaming at the TV for Freddy to go for goal. He went for it, he missed. There’s no guarantee any of the passes don’t get intercepted either. What looks like a lot of space can get covered very quickly with a slightly off kick.

Serongs ootf soon after was much worse

 

[Purple Suit]

Am I the only one who thinks Pendelbury & Daicos both threw the ball over their heads in the last 30 seconds ?? & Moore was arrogant referencing Treacy as “old mate” when interviewed after the game

Yep,
Pendles also started that passage of play with a two handed rugby flick pass. The TV stations ran with it about how the Pies are letting go of their tackles to get the ball moving but they fail to call out the Pies throwing to keep the ball moving.

 

[lint]

Yep,
Pendles also started that passage of play with a two handed rugby flick pass. The TV stations ran with it about how the Pies are letting go of their tackles to get the ball moving but they fail to call out the Pies throwing to keep the ball moving.

Spot on. Go to 2:28 on this last two minutes video.



Commentator and Collingwood old boy BT, the umpires and the crowd totally ignore the blatant rugby throw from Pendles, which should have ended the contest there and then.

Just a two handed pickup and shovel pass, with not even an attempt to make it look like a handball. Nothing to see here. How smart of the pies players to tackle and let go of the opposition after their Collingwood teammates pick it up and chuck the ball off the ground.

 

[anchor man]

All I remember was screaming at the TV for Freddy to go for goal. He went for it, he missed. There’s no guarantee any of the passes don’t get intercepted either. What looks like a lot of space can get covered very quickly with a slightly off kick.

Serongs ootf soon after was much worse

Ouch, be careful, critisism like that is generally aimed at Johnno.

 

[noise36]

Spot on. Go to 2:28 on this last two minutes video.



Commentator and Collingwood old boy BT, the umpires and the crowd totally ignore the blatant rugby throw from Pendles, which should have ended the contest there and then.

Just a two handed pickup and shovel pass, with not even an attempt to make it look like a handball. Nothing to see here. How smart of the pies players to tackle and let go of the opposition after their Collingwood teammates pick it up and chuck the ball off the ground.

Just a reminder for me about how bad Bolton miss was, thought he would be the sort of player who goals 95% of the time in that situation. Left the game wide open for the counter attack and really just pure luck we didnt lose in the end.

 

[mattis117]

Just a reminder for me about how bad Bolton miss was, thought he would be the sort of player who goals 95% of the time in that situation. Left the game wide open for the counter attack and really just pure luck we didnt lose in the end.

You clearly weren't paying attention to Bolton at Richmond then - his set shot kicking has always been suspect.

 

[Alfonz]

Just a reminder for me about how bad Bolton miss was, thought he would be the sort of player who goals 95% of the time in that situation. Left the game wide open for the counter attack and really just pure luck we didnt lose in the end.

Bolton is pretty much a 50-50 from any shot on goal, no matter the difficulty. Maybe he nails it and then they score a goal from centre bounce with an open forward line and it is a draw.

I wouldn't say Bolton left it open for a counter attack from his point. We set up well, got the ball back and sent it back inside 50 again. Then Josh Daicos does a blatant throw with 1:15 on the clock. And we got the ball back inside 50 again before Young turned it over. Either of those re-entries after the Bolton point left us more open for the counter attack than his point itself.

If you want to talk about luck, I'd say the Pies were the lucky ones when they did about 5 blatant throws in the last 90 seconds.

 

[waterhaus]

Lets see, the risks of passing are Voss is on a tight angle with coverage streaming towards him, Amiss is a short pass which could easily miss which sees a very quick rebound.

Don't get me wrong: He should be able to make those passes and the reward for doing that are easier shots at goal and control over the clock & scoreboard. But he should also be nailing that shot at least 6-7 times out of 10. I personally think, especially in tight games, the far more egregious sin is missing out on scoring entirely/conceeding a quick rebound because you missed a setup pass than just going for goal and removing that middle element of doubt.

If he was outside 50 or had coverage coming at him then yes, passing is the best if not only correct option. But he has to back himself to take that shot. The risk assessment is in his favour. He's not Danyle Pearce, he can make that shot.

I agree. Would love to see stats on this

% of taking thr shot

vs

% of making tbe pass + % of taking the 'easier' shot

 

[The Round House Drunk]

I agree. Would love to see stats on this

% of taking thr shot

vs

% of making tbe pass + % of taking the 'easier' shot

Match situation comes into the equation as well.

5 points behind, you probably take the shot.

5 points ahead, you try to hit the pass to take another 30 seconds off the clock.

 

[stax on the mull]

Bolton's shot at goal at the end came from his run down tackle seconds earlier when Collingwood look like they had a switch to kick inside their forward 50m.

 

[Dockeroo]

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is the free kick we got to kick the winning point. It was there, but it was probably on the soft side. I’d be pretty pissed if we lost a game at the other end of the ground on the back of a free like that.
It’s true they also got away with a couple of throws after that - but honestly I see that every single weekend now it’s just part of the game. Libba and Cripps have been throwing the ball out of stoppages for years now. I read one day on that “has the ump stuffed up” account on X run by a former umpire and he said they are basically told by the AFL don’t pay a throw unless you are 100% certain it’s there. That’s why a lot of dubious ones are let play on.

 

[Taylor]

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is the free kick we got to kick the winning point. It was there, but it was probably on the soft side. I’d be pretty pissed if we lost a game at the other end of the ground on the back of a free like that.
It’s true they also got away with a couple of throws after that - but honestly I see that every single weekend now it’s just part of the game. Libba and Cripps have been throwing the ball out of stoppages for years now. I read one day on that “has the ump stuffed up” account on X run by a former umpire and he said they are basically told by the AFL don’t pay a throw unless you are 100% certain it’s there. That’s why a lot of dubious ones are let play on.

It was more of a high contact than the Lachie Schultz one preceding that 50m penalty from what I saw.

 

[Redgum]

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is the free kick we got to kick the winning point. It was there, but it was probably on the soft side. I’d be pretty pissed if we lost a game at the other end of the ground on the back of a free like that.
It’s true they also got away with a couple of throws after that - but honestly I see that every single weekend now it’s just part of the game. Libba and Cripps have been throwing the ball out of stoppages for years now. I read one day on that “has the ump stuffed up” account on X run by a former umpire and he said they are basically told by the AFL don’t pay a throw unless you are 100% certain it’s there. That’s why a lot of dubious ones are let play on.

The time O'Meara put his hands up to stop play because the umpire blew his whistle ,he was quite clear of the Hawthorn player and within goal kicking distance. Had the Umpire not blown the whistle there is at least a 90% chance that we would have scored going forward , he would have gained a few metres ,probably had a shot because of the time or there may have been a forward option. What I am trying to say ,I don't we would have lost that game at that point.

 

[stax on the mull]

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is the free kick we got to kick the winning point. It was there, but it was probably on the soft side. I’d be pretty pissed if we lost a game at the other end of the ground on the back of a free like that.

You can't run through a player after he disposes of the ball. Maynard I think it was, got there late. Too bad if he couldn't stop himself. If a player handballs out of a centre square bounce in a similar situation an gets run through like by an opposition midfielder who can't stop himself, 100% that it's a free kick.

 

[Dockeroo]

I agree the free kick was there. But so often those are let go, that’s all I’m saying. It was pretty marginal and it wouldnt be difficult to pick dozens of similar examples each week where that kind of thing is not paid.

I’ve seen People say we were hard done by from the umps the last day - I thought it was a poorly umpired game in both directions to be honest.
I’ve seen Fremantle get a far worse fisting from the umps on many occasions. The bulldogs game at Optus earlier this year was one such example.

 

[Purple Suit]

I agree the free kick was there. But so often those are let go, that’s all I’m saying. It was pretty marginal and it wouldnt be difficult to pick dozens of similar examples each week where that kind of thing is not paid.

I’ve seen People say we were hard done by from the umps the last day - I thought it was a poorly umpired game in both directions to be honest.
I’ve seen Fremantle get a far worse fisting from the umps on many occasions. The bulldogs game at Optus earlier this year was one such example.

Just because we’ve had a bigger fisting before doesn’t make it any better. There was some deadset weird calls against us that the Pies would never give up. 1st dissent call for the year, Diacos directing 50m penalties, Pie chuckers and smashing 18 year olds for a free kicks the lowlights.