List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016

[Apex36]

That was peak big footy.. The Treloar/Aish threads were pretty damn good too, can't see anything like those happening this off season though

Dunno. I reckon the Cloke and Witts threads could be pretty entertaining!

 

[BRWB]

Youd have to add a 1st rounder. Boyd nowhere near Moore at present.

Id do that. No way Pies do. Carey reckons Darce is the best of the young fwds.

I agree gun - well done to the Pies on that.

We knew he was good - that's why we bid on him.

 

[Matt_352]

Id do that. No way Pies do. Carey reckons Darce is the best of the young fwds.

I agree gun - well done to the Pies on that.

We knew he was good - that's why we bid on him.

Yeah well congrats on The Bont. Was livid when you guys picked him up as I knew he was going to be ELITE.

 

[Apex36]

Having said all that I'd happily trade Boyd for Darce

No thanks. I'm still finding it hard to believe he wasn't bid on before pick 5 when you guys bid on him.

 

[Quicky]

He is a very highly rated talent. One of the blokes who can play tall and take a few different types. His decision making has been very good and he is physically strong in the contest. Decision making with the ball very good to. From all reports a good club guy as well.

Will be an interesting one for us bc it requires us to answer where we stand on Brown, Keefe, Frost and Marsh. Certainly dont need all those plus Marchbank.

It goes back to that conversation we were having the other day. We cant afford to have two of Brown and Marsh in the same defence. Same goes for Frost. In fact given our game plan involves switching the play so often it's arguable whether we can afford one. Our ball movement breaks down when it is channeled through those players. Thats if we stick to our current game plan. Which makes Marchbank attractive.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Not sure if you're serious regarding Witts? He's made some serious progress this year in the VFL. If Grundy wasn't in AA form he would be 100% in our 22. Had 59 hitouts, 21 disposals and 2 goals this week against Port, who have one of the better VFL listed ruckmen on their list. Those are bonkers numbers for a ruckman even at VFL level. He would walk in to the number 1 ruck spot at several clubs imo.

Absolutely I'm serious.

I don't doubt clubs will look to secure his services in the hope that he can reproduce his VFL output in the AFL level. Personally I think he's fools gold.

I've been consistent in my belief that he won't make it for quite a few years when everyone else was hailing him as the next coming of Sandilands.

 

[Apex36]

Absolutely I'm serious.

I don't doubt clubs will look to secure his services in the hope that he can reproduce his VFL output in the AFL level. Personally I think he's fools gold.

I've been consistent in my belief that he won't make it for quite a few years when everyone else was hailing him as the next coming of Sandilands.

Hmmm. I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Needless to say I strongly disagree!

 

[Rusty Beam]

Hmmm. I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Needless to say I strongly disagree!

That's fine mate, everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if it's not the big footy way!

 

[Scodog10]

See my initial response? Pretty sure I'm not Scodog, and I interpreted it very differently to you. I think you're reading in to this too much.

Way too much considering I was the first poster to post that he wanted out about 6 weeks ago.

 

[Bussie]

Id do that. No way Pies do. Carey reckons Darce is the best of the young fwds.

I agree gun - well done to the Pies on that.

We knew he was good - that's why we bid on him.

I remember watching the pre-season game where Boyd and Moore tore it up, even as a Pies supporter I was cheering when Boyd took that huge pack mark, no-one was around so it was OK and my Nan who recently passed away was a doggies fan, always had a soft spot for them.
Good luck in the finals since we're not there!

 

[Kilmo]

Cheers. Geez that's the one place I hope he doesn't go. Knowing our luck the hawks will turn him into a Coleman medallist.

By putting it on his chest

 

[shizzle]

Agree and hence I think the wisest thing to do is reference some recent trades for an indication. Before we start though let me say in such an even draft a couple of spots here and there arent going to matter as much as maybe previous years where there was a clear 'cliff point' in terms of talent. Alas,

Witts - the most like deals for him I can find are;

Tom Hickey went for pick 13 and some swapping of late picks. Remember Tom was barely in that side at the time.
Shaun Hampson went for pick 32 and was pretty well on the outer
Rhys Stanley went for pick 21. I think we were all surprised but its a good proxy
Sam Frost went for pick 23 and some swapping of late picks. Like Same not the same role but a young tall talent on the outer nonetheless.

Likely outcome - I am pretty bullish on this one. I think Collingwood might get into the first round with some swapping of late picks potentially. I am hopeful of a pick around 17-20 but realistically it might be 18-25. Equally think quite likely could form part of a Marchbank and / or WHE trade. Notwithstanding a few clubs are into him so that will drive price up.



Cloke - the proxies are best probably those older types that went;

Brian Lake went for pick 27
Joel Patfull went for pick 21
Bernie Vince went for pick 23. I think bernie went with 28 years under his belt and a few issues over his head.
Shane Mumford went for pick 35. Ultimtely more a money issue and Swans had to do right thing by him so probably unders for what he should have been.


Likely outcome - I would think a band of 20-25 for Travis would be about right and potentially a bit higher with swapping of selections.


Williams - the most like deals I can find are;

Jake Melksham went for pick 25
Curtly Hampton went for 2nd round 2016 pick which will be about 25 as well
Paul Seedsman went for pick 32
Matt Rosa went for pick 31
Shane Biggs went for pick 39

Likely Outcome - I reckon they are all reasonable proxies for a bloke who last year was flying albeit this year has struggled. I would think a pick around 35-40 is about right for Marley.

I would also add the following players as am pretty sure a few will be up and that CFC will be looking to take some picks in the 30-50 range and package them up to move there selections in the 20-30 range a bit higher. They will want to do that as they may be worried where the bids for Brown and Daicos will come. Ie they will most likely want at least one (maybe 2) selections before that is likely to happen.

Jack Frost - and i think his brother is a very good proxy but having said that it was a huge win for GWS. I would think something in the band of 30-50 about right for him.

Adam Oxley - Same would go for him. Personally like to see a good ball user who is a smart decision maker stay but we have a lot of his type.

Jarryd Blair - but nobody agrees with me on him so he stays but I reckon a pick around 35-45 about right.

Tim Broomhead - Again dont want him to go but previous trades suggest 22-35 range.

That would give us;

Witts - lets say 22
Cloke - lets say 25
2nd Round selection - 26
Williams - 37
Frost - 40
3rd Round selection - 44
Oxley - 45
4th Round selection - 62

I think Hine & Co will then look to get that pick 22 & 25 a bit higher by adding the 37, 40 and 44 to it and maybe even the 26. So for example;

22 & 26 might go for pick 10-15 (points system would get as high as 7 but unlikely to achieve that)
25 & 37 might go for pick 18 (points systems gets up close to 12 but again wont happen)

they would probably be confident that Daicos and Brown wont be bid on by then so the point from 40, 44, 45 and 62 used to pay for them and or take someone late that fills a gap.

So many ways it can go but a big driver will be getting picks above where they think the bids for Brown and Daicos will come.

Sorry that probably dragged on a bit ......

Don't apologise always love hearing from you Dogg, refreshing to read realistic trade scenarios, rather than the pick 1 for Cloke and Oxley type posts that clog up the trade threads.

 

[Matz]

Was just listening to a Podcast on SEN with Brett Anderson who saying a lot of clubs are rating Brown and Daicos higher than initially thought and we could have to cough up some points if we really want them.

listen to this on Audioboo

About 17.30 min mark.


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[danielnajdek]

Was just listening to a Podcast on SEN with Brett Anderson who saying a lot of clubs are rating Brown and Daicos higher than initially thought and we could have to cough up some points if we really want them.

listen to this on Audioboo

About 17.30 min mark.


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Of course they do

 

[Matz]

Of course they do

Yer I know what ya saying but maybe they aren't that bad, they have both been in good form. Clubs tend to notice.


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[joff]

Yer I know what ya saying but maybe they aren't that bad, they have both been in good form. Clubs tend to notice.


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I think that the other clubs will ensure that we pay at least market value for both boys unfortunately

 

[Likitysplit]

Says on the AFL site that we are heavily interested in Hurley, good to see it surface that we are into him.

Wonder what we could offer the bombers?

 

[BEEG]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-15/pies-join-race-for-gun-bomber-michael-hurley

Please be true

 

[Matz]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-15/pies-join-race-for-gun-bomber-michael-hurley

Please be true

It really does make me wonder what we would give in return? Collingwood obviously know something we don't as you wouldn't go after a player you couldn't get. I have a feeling we have something up our sleeve this year . Going to be very interesting.


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[Saintly Viewed]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-15/pies-join-race-for-gun-bomber-michael-hurley

Please be true

Especially if we get him
He can even keep the Caff beard hes got, looks a life force of its own

 

[Mr Bombastic]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-15/pies-join-race-for-gun-bomber-michael-hurley

Please be true

Buckley said last week we wanted him. As far as Collingwood being the 5th club to join the race for him, I'd be suprised if there weren't 12+ clubs interested in him.

 

[Pdid]

According to afl player ratings in career best form in last 4 weeks

 

[Crazy Tails]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-15/pies-join-race-for-gun-bomber-michael-hurley

Please be true

Can't see it happening. Bombers and Dodoro notoriously hard to deal with.

Could Freo give up pick 3 for Lobb/McCarthy? Maybe even add Walters as steak knives? Frees up some cash for the Giants who can add another elite kid for their upcoming premiership window.

 

[Mr Bombastic]

Can't see it happening. Bombers and Dodoro notoriously hard to deal with.

Could Freo give up pick 3 for Lobb/McCarthy? Maybe even add Walters as steak knives? Frees up some cash for the Giants who can add another elite kid for their upcoming premiership window.

Walters as steak knives?

 

[Matt_352]

Can't see it happening. Bombers and Dodoro notoriously hard to deal with.

Could Freo give up pick 3 for Lobb/McCarthy? Maybe even add Walters as steak knives? Frees up some cash for the Giants who can add another elite kid for their upcoming premiership window.

Walters aint steak knives