Rumour Contract extension for.....

[Gambit78]

I know your havin abit of fun but we've actually got one.Pendlebury is already setting himself up for a coaching career.So in about 10-15yrs time,when bucks is sick of winnin flags,we'll hav our magnificent skipper take over

But will Bucks accept the Director of Coaching role when he steps aside? And what about all those die hard Buckley supporters who'll bitch and moan about him being 'usurped'? It may take them 4 or 5 years to let it go. And how long will it take before it becomes 'Pendles' team'. So many questions...


Actually, it kinda begs the question (although, maybe for another time), does Collingwood embark upon another succession plan down the track considering the experience it had with the Malthouse and Buckley changeover?

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

This years was supposed to be his last year on his contract but he signed on for a further two years so I am pretty sure we have him for another two after this year.

No point signing him up already, it's not like he will walk out on the club.

 

[Temploar]

No point signing him up already, it's not like he will walk out on the club.

That's what I said about Dale Thomas

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Why not wait and see if we make finals first?

If we make finals it's confirmation of improvement in the team as well as the coaching group, THEN sign him up to show some solidarity.

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

That's what I said about Dale Thomas

Well there is a big difference between the two though.

Buckley was a captain of the club and basically played his whole career at Collingwood.

If Buckley walked out on Collingwood from his contract, it would forever hurt the Collingwood brand. He would never do it though.

 

[jasonwilde]

These long contract extension are more trouble than anything. Just leave it.

Why not wait and see if we make finals first?

If we make finals it's confirmation of improvement in the team as well as the coaching group, THEN sign him up to show some solidarity.

I didn't think I'd ever agree with these two posters and their views on Buckley, yet here we are...


(Huge fan of Buckley as my posting history would suggest but madness to not wait until the end of the year)

 

[MarkT2]

Like a few have said, I can't see the need at this point.
He's not going anywhere. Even if he got an offer, which he won't at this point, we could always match it if we wanted to.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I didn't think I'd ever agree with these two posters and their views on Buckley, yet here we are...


(Huge fan of Buckley as my posting history would suggest but madness to not wait until the end of the year)

In all fairness, I was very behind Bucks through 12 and 13. It's last year when I started to wain. THATSGOLD was never on board really. I'm starting to turn back slowly, mainly because I love Bucks the man/player. This isn't the same as the Malthouse situation where I very much disliked Malthouse the person, which made it easy to hate him as a coach.

It's taken 3 years and multiple tumbles down the ladder to start turning on Bucks and I'm turning back far quicker than it took for me to turn the other way because I love him so much.

 

[MyManLynch]

Sack him.....to make a point.... Why **** around....coaches need to know the supporters are the boss.

#get.hird

 

[wicksy]

Yeah, why would you want to sign up a guy who's proving himself to be one of the best in the game, when there's young up and coming coaches like Mick Malthouse waiting in the wings

Jock McHale is ready to rumble!!!

 

[wicksy]

In all fairness, I was very behind Bucks through 12 and 13. It's last year when I started to wain. THATSGOLD was never on board really. I'm starting to turn back slowly, mainly because I love Bucks the man/player. This isn't the same as the Malthouse situation where I very much disliked Malthouse the person, which made it easy to hate him as a coach.

It's taken 3 years and multiple tumbles down the ladder to start turning on Bucks and I'm turning back far quicker than it took for me to turn the other way because I love him so much.

Come back to us Ed.... We love you!!

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

This is a stupid idea. Let the end of the season play out before that kind of behaviour. He has shown himself to be competent, but there is little chance of him running off elsewhere and he still has a bit to prove.

 

[wicksy]

This is a stupid idea. Let the end of the season play out before that kind of behaviour. He has shown himself to be competent, but there is little chance of him running off elsewhere and he still has a bit to prove.

Ever thought that it could provide extra stability to a player group that love their coach?

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

Ever thought that it could provide extra stability to a player group that love their coach?

Yep. I've also seen how well people perform when they trying to get a good deal or are under pressure to perform.

Collingwood would know the mood better than I, but it seems premature to me. We could happily sign him after the last game of the year and there still be plenty of stability.

 

[MarkT2]

Ever thought that it could provide extra stability to a player group that love their coach?

I can't imagine that would be the case at all in the current circumstances.
I just can't see any benefit in jumping now.

 

[jackcass]

Extending his coaching contract carries nothing more than financial risk for the club. As we've seen with MM, these contracts aren't worth the toilet paper they're written on if the club (or coach for that matter) decides to terminate. Getting it done over the off season defuses any heat that may come through next season, either real or imagined, and allows the focus to remain fairly and squarely with the football as it should.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Come back to us Ed.... We love you!!

You know that's not true. Everyone hates me here deep down.

 

[jackcass]

Why not wait and see if we make finals first?

If we make finals it's confirmation of improvement in the team as well as the coaching group, THEN sign him up to show some solidarity.

I'm pretty sure I read that they intend to get the extension finalised over the off season but irrespective of that satisfaction with Bucks wouldn't just be based on improvement this year as perceived externally or making finals this year. It would also consider his performance over the last couple of seasons and how he has managed some very difficult circumstances while continuing the development of a very young list. Just because a few supporters were baying for blood doesn't mean that the club wasn't completely behind him through 2012-14.

EDIT: Herald Sun story on 6 July:

New contract for Bucks a certainty
COLLINGWOOD chief executive Gary Pert says coach Nathan Buckley is certain to earn a contract extension that will lock him in at the club beyond next season. Pert told the Sunday Herald Sun a new deal was inevitable for the fourth-year coach

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscri...tory-fnp04d70-1227428573713&memtype=anonymous

 

[jackcass]

In all fairness, I was very behind Bucks through 12 and 13. It's last year when I started to wain. THATSGOLD was never on board really. I'm starting to turn back slowly, mainly because I love Bucks the man/player. This isn't the same as the Malthouse situation where I very much disliked Malthouse the person, which made it easy to hate him as a coach.

It's taken 3 years and multiple tumbles down the ladder to start turning on Bucks and I'm turning back far quicker than it took for me to turn the other way because I love him so much.

I always assumed that once you'd come out there was no way you could recant. All far too confusing, thank God I don't have to worry about it.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I always assumed that once you'd come out there was no way you could recant. All far too confusing, thank God I don't have to worry about it.

I'm just saying, despite the first 2 years of playing fairly poorly, rumours of discontent amongst the group, and repeated drops down the ladder, I did stick by Bucks fairly staunchly. But that sort of stuff can only go on for so long before you have to ask serious questions. The cold hard facts were, that Buckley took a young premiership list down the ladder at a rate of knots over 3 years. It can be hard to keep the faith when it looks as bleak as it did.

But like I said, things appear to have turned now, so because I have a love for Buckley as a person, it's easy to ease up on the negativity.

 

[Bucksboys]

At the start of the year there was some industry speculation on where Collingwood sat in the mix of teams looking to "jump up" the ladder.

While the usual noise centres around the coach Nathan Buckley – and even sometimes spills over to the Magpies president – it has been the players that have had the rest of us intrigued and indeed admiring their efforts thus far this year.

Collingwood have almost completed their regeneration. Only the injury-prone top draft picks in Matthew Scharenberg and Nathan Freeman have yet to be seen in the senior team, but sources say Scharenberg is getting close.

Buckley has reshaped his team and, along with his astute recruiting staff in Derek Hine and Matt Rendell, has reshaped the entire list. The majority of the first-pick senior team were not even born when the Pies broke the premiership drought in 1990, and were struggling to deal with the demands of fitting into their year 8 school blazers when Collingwood last won the flag in 2010.

Last week against the Hawks they debuted two more off their list in Darcy Moore – a tall, rangy marking forward who will eventually surpass the inconsistent Jesse White as the second big man in the front half – and the hard-nosed defender Brayden Maynard, who also possesses an elite left kick.

It is a credit to the Collingwood coaching system (as well as their former TAC coaches) that they both slotted in and performed their roles on the night.

It seems Buckley has cleared the decks and reinvigorated the club in an impressive fashion. Insiders I speak with say it is a "happy workplace", "everyone feels valued and gets their say", "we work hard, but have some fun in doing it".

These are important signs that things are looking up.

Two weeks ago they travelled to Perth to take on the ladder-leading Fremantle, and gave an outstanding account of themselves to only succumb late in the match. The defensive pressure the swarming young magpies put on the older midfield of Fremantle was most impressive. Robert Harvey has the midfield working in conjunction with the fringes of the supporting units on either side.

At any mid-zone scrimmage, one or more of either the half-backs or the high half-forwards join in with the midfield unit to create an additional number of black and white jumpers around the ball and that particular scrimmage.

The magpies are playing the percentages, and working to the golden rule of football: outnumber wins. This also allows the Pies to apply huge pressure, coming from all angles on the opposition ball-carrier.

There is some risk associated with this strategy, in that if you don't win possession or control the opposition, they may get out on you into free space. For the most part, especially against Fremantle, the Collingwood "pressure bubble" stayed intact and it was the older heads of the Fremantle midfield who looked rattled.

In fact it forced Ross Lyon to ramp up the pressure rating of his team, and if it wasn't for Michael Walters' sharpshooting, Buckley's merry young men would have bought home the points.

Last Friday night the Pies matched it with the reigning premiers Hawthorn and 10 minutes into the last quarter were threatening to take over the game, before the Hawks (like Fremantle) found an extra gear.

The Hawks have had a few more years practising their own method of "inside-outside" pressure and know how to counter it.

But these young Magpies were unbowed for a second successive match, and while no one wants or likes honourable losses, these are great development and learning opportunities for Buckley and his assistant coaches.

Playing the two best teams in the competition currently has been a test of fire. The coaching system has stood up, the young personnel have stood up and now they will look to make it three times a charm as they take on the inconsistent Port Adelaide team. A win will be just the validation the finals-bound Pies are looking for.

The Opposition Analyst works in that position with an AFL team.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...building-job-takes-shape-20150708-gi7voe.html

 

[wicksy]

I can't imagine that would be the case at all in the current circumstances.
I just can't see any benefit in jumping now.

It's not outside the realm of possibility. Just another way to look at it.

 

[Bucksboys]

I'm just saying, despite the first 2 years of playing fairly poorly, rumours of discontent amongst the group, and repeated drops down the ladder, I did stick by Bucks fairly staunchly. But that sort of stuff can only go on for so long before you have to ask serious questions. The cold hard facts were, that Buckley took a young premiership list down the ladder at a rate of knots over 3 years.

But those weren't the cold hard facts were they? because under the surface the culture had rotted to the point of jounos starting to talk about our off field culture and Pert having to warn about volcanic off season behaviour, which was everyone's code for illicit substance abuse

We were the drug story of the year one day before the Essendon supplements saga broke, and the evidence is everywhere to see

Players cooked before 30 years old due to injury and 'conditioning' problems, players in their prime ruined by partying and unable to get back to form or fitness such as Daisy and Wellers, bizarre behaviour, Harry walking around the oval muttering to himself while reporters followed him, Shaw's lack of discipline and on and on

It was endemic and Buckley was placed in the ludicrous position of cleaning it all up and putting us back on track for a real shot at a premiership dynasty and the usual soft supporters lined up to say he had destroyed a young premiership list

It was young all right but it was also destroyed long before Bucks took over and he has done magnificently to clean out the rotten apples and avoid a Gold Coast scenario

 

[MarkT2]

It was young all right but it was also destroyed long before Bucks took over and he has done magnificently to clean out the rotten apples and avoid a Gold Coast scenario

These "issues" are retrospectively overblown. But for a funeral we could very well have won the 2012 GF and Buckley could have done what Chris Scott did. At least he could have coached his team to a GF. The side was very flat for the PF.

The result of the "corrective action" was a much bigger part of the subsequent decline than any actual issues.

 

[wicksy]

I'm just saying, despite the first 2 years of playing fairly poorly, rumours of discontent amongst the group, and repeated drops down the ladder, I did stick by Bucks fairly staunchly. But that sort of stuff can only go on for so long before you have to ask serious questions. The cold hard facts were, that Buckley took a young premiership list down the ladder at a rate of knots over 3 years. It can be hard to keep the faith when it looks as bleak as it did.

But like I said, things appear to have turned now, so because I have a love for Buckley as a person, it's easy to ease up on the negativity.

I have a similar opinion to you although I do believe that it was for the greater good to get rid of players like Shaw, Thomas, Wellingham, Jolly, Didak etc when we did.