List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

  4star

  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

  3star

  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[UseR2006]

We all thought TK was going to be the bees knees when we got him in that trade.
Now he is the essential whipping boy and has been since he got here.

It'll be a rinse and repeat with Warner. Just because we bring in a single good player doesn't make everything suddenly good. The guy will be immediately tagged into oblivion. Not to mention it'll likely be his last big contract and I suspect he'll give us maybe one to two good years before we end up in "Go through the motions" territory.

I'd offer sydney the Hawks 1st only and if they don't like it they can sort their own shit out.
Also **** giving Pav any wins.

 

[Boohemian]

Can we move on from the Warner talk?

It’s not going to happen after he’s already re-signed, and he’s not going to jump ship just as Sydney acquire the missing piece for a premiership tilt.

It would also be negligent to acquire a player with draft capital that we could potentially get for free in a couple of years as well.

The kids we acquire in this trade period would be entering their third years and ready to pop if he comes across in FA.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If he had a five year deal, yeah cool. I'd get it. Four years even.
Yeah cool. Zero prospect of getting him in his prime.

Not two.

He makes us more competitive now. Sure. Great.
That's a sugar hit and poor draft planning. Sorry. It is.
We won't be close to challenging for anything until 2028 at absolute best. 2026 is embed the new plan. 2027 is to start the climb. 2028 is perhaps where maybe we can start to expect to show some solid gains.

What happens after 2028? Chad Warner becomes available.
By then both of our top draftees now have had two full season under their belt and are ready to go, in theory.

I disagree pretty much with every iota of my soul with pretty much every sentiment of the above. Sure he makes us better now. Sure a draftee is never a sure thing. I have doubts on Duursma too. Its Sharp I think fits our list profile need the most.

I realise I'm in the minority here but it is a hill I'll die on. We need to nail this draft and next year's draft. OA's departure has given us a gift horse. Don't look it in the mouth.

You would take anyone in this draft over warner for the same pick!! Delusional. No kid is going to shift the needle for 3 years or four. A winning culture is of the utmost importance and losing another 20+games next year isn't fathomable. This whole drafting for the next 10yrs bla bla. We need players exactly like warmer

 

[Mop]

You would take anyone in this draft over warner for the same pick!! Delusional. No kid is going to shift the needle for 3 years or four. A winning culture is of the utmost importance and losing another 20+games next year isn't fathomable. This whole drafting for the next 10yrs bla bla. We need players exactly like warmer

The caveat being he may well be available in two years as a FA.
So the counter argument is you're prepared to lose potentially 15 years of service from best kid in the draft when you MAY achieve the same outcome for no outlay in two years?

Therefore, you're saying you'd give pick one up for two years of gain.



You call me delusional.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

I wonder what leaping (or lack thereof) Busslinger was doing away from the play. I can only assume jumping into the air - albeit at very low heights - whilst the ball is down the other end of the field would be somewhat odd to see.

Tyrone Vickery-esque

 

[Westend]

The caveat being he may well be available in two years as a FA.
So the counter argument is you're prepared to lose potentially 15 years of service from best kid in the draft when you MAY achieve the same outcome for no outlay in two years?

Therefore, you're saying you'd give pick one up for two years of gain.



You call me delusional.

Yeah but thats the argument isn't it... get a gun mid who is proven in Warner or get a young kid and wait to develop

also have to take into consideration what we think of this years draft...for me there are not standouts...good young lads but not game changers...its always a lottery but really the top 15 picks this year seem to be all the same quality

You would take anyone in this draft over warner for the same pick!! Delusional. No kid is going to shift the needle for 3 years or four. A winning culture is of the utmost importance and losing another 20+games next year isn't fathomable. This whole drafting for the next 10yrs bla bla. We need players exactly like warmer

Who ever we get at one be that Warner or a young kid the pressure will be on ....we will all be expecting Best and fairest 200 game players etc ...Harley is going through that now as a number one pick ..would a young kid at 1 be able to cope or an experience player?

I can see the arguments from both sides....both pros and cons

 

[Mop]

Yeah but thats the argument isn't it... get a gun mid who is proven in Warner or get a young kid and wait to develop

also have to take into consideration what we think of this years draft...for me there are not standouts...good young lads but not game changers...its always a lottery but really the top 15 picks this year seem to be all the same quality


Who ever we get at one be that Warner or a young kid the pressure will be on ....we will all be expecting Best and fairest 200 game players etc ...Harley is going through that now as a number one pick ..would a young kid at 1 be able to cope or an experience player?

I can see the arguments from both sides....both pros and cons

Don't get me wrong I can see Keys and Woosha's argument. I understand the desire to get better now and I also fully accept there's no Reid-esque out and out star. It's all very mid. I get it.

Hell, had we had these picks in last years draft I think my belief would be more widely shared.

My big aversion to any hypothetical for Warner is the short two year deal and the window of opportunity it presents. We KNOW he'll be eligible as a free agent and we KNOW there was a huge interest in him coming home now, he opted to stay on a short deal.

This is very much a potential have cake and eat it now gig. That is my argument.

 

[Barrybran]

We all thought TK was going to be the bees knees when we got him in that trade.
Now he is the essential whipping boy and has been since he got here.

It'll be a rinse and repeat with Warner. Just because we bring in a single good player doesn't make everything suddenly good. The guy will be immediately tagged into oblivion. Not to mention it'll likely be his last big contract and I suspect he'll give us maybe one to two good years before we end up in "Go through the motions" territory.

I'd offer sydney the Hawks 1st only and if they don't like it they can sort their own shit out.
Also **** giving Pav any wins.

One of the reasons for bringing in an older midfielder is to take attention away from Harley. I agree with the Tim Kelly premise but I do think we would do that trade as teams who tag Warner would be killed by Harley and vice versa. I also agree that this why Sharp is important as we would have three damaging midfielders in the middle at any one time. Put attention into one and any of the others can get the ball out to the third guy, who can damage you with strength and/or speed.

Tim Kelly has played some very good football for the Eagles. A lot of the problem for him was that we had been on a downward trajectory ever since the 2018 flag. We shouldn't have that problem now as our list has not achieved anything yet and will continue to get better rather than worse.

 

[Rowan18]

If he had a five year deal, yeah cool. I'd get it. Four years even.
Yeah cool. Zero prospect of getting him in his prime.

Not two.

He makes us more competitive now. Sure. Great.
That's a sugar hit and poor draft planning. Sorry. It is.
We won't be close to challenging for anything until 2028 at absolute best. 2026 is embed the new plan. 2027 is to start the climb. 2028 is perhaps where maybe we can start to expect to show some solid gains.

What happens after 2028? Chad Warner becomes available.
By then both of our top draftees now have had two full season under their belt and are ready to go, in theory.

I disagree pretty much with every iota of my soul with pretty much every sentiment of the above. Sure he makes us better now. Sure a draftee is never a sure thing. I have doubts on Duursma too. Its Sharp I think fits our list profile need the most.

I realise I'm in the minority here but it is a hill I'll die on. We need to nail this draft and next year's draft. OA's departure has given us a gift horse. Don't look it in the mouth.

I'm assuming the trade is pick 1, something else (Hawks R1 with Swans R2 back?) And we keep pick 2.

Warner seems like a no brianer to me. If we draft Sharp or Duursma we hope they become a Warner. So getting the guaranteed real deal is good business. We still draft one of them with pick 2.

We are now much better next year with two guns in the middle (Ried and Warner). It allows us to grab the role player defensive mid (Erasmus, Dev, Phillips whoever) and improve the worst area on the ground.

Now we get more wins and the kids can develop properly. It also means that next off season we can finally attract good trades in to round out the list.

We already have the pieces for KPP (except ruck), enough flankers (and they are the ones you can readily trade in for the gaps) and Warner/Sharp/Reid is the midfield.

The alternative is to wait another 3 preseasons and hope the two mids we draft this year become guns. And pray that the rest of the team stays together in the meantime.

 

[Mop]

I'm assuming the trade is pick 1, something else (Hawks R1 with Swans R2 back?) And we keep pick 2.

Warner seems like a no brianer to me. If we draft Sharp or Duursma we hope they become a Warner. So getting the guaranteed real deal is good business. We still draft one of them with pick 2.

We are now much better next year with two guns in the middle (Ried and Warner). It allows us to grab the role player defensive mid (Erasmus, Dev, Phillips whoever) and improve the worst area on the ground.

Now we get more wins and the kids can develop properly. It also means that next off season we can finally attract good trades in to round out the list.

We already have the pieces for KPP (except ruck), enough flankers (and they are the ones you can readily trade in for the gaps) and Warner/Sharp/Reid is the midfield.

The alternative is to wait another 3 preseasons and hope the two mids we draft this year become guns. And pray that the rest of the team stays together in the meantime.

This ignores the whole premise of my argument - the two year deal and free agency opportunity.

 

[Jootube]

Mop makes a fair point, but a Warner in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Agree that there's a world where we keep our picks and get Warner in a few years, but I would rather have the team develop around him and give oppo teams a headache with which player to tag each week.

 

[Mop]

Mop makes a fair point, but a Warner in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[eaglevision]

Quite simply IF the cost is pick 1 would we rather 24yo Warner or 18yo Duursma?

Of course there’s a caveat that he may come free of draft capital in two years but he also might not come at all.

Now if Sydney want more than pick 1 I’d happily walk away and they miss Curnow and move on.

 

[Mop]

Quite simply IF the cost is pick 1 would we rather 24yo Warner or 18yo Duursma?

Of course there’s a caveat that he may come free of draft capital in two years but he also might not come at all.

Now if Sydney want more than pick 1 I’d happily walk away and they miss Curnow and move on.

The fact we're discussing the two year contract and potential free agency means I've got what I wanted, it is now at least factoring into the thought process.

I disagree as I have made clear, but I do understand the collective thought process.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Do Sydney still have a good enough midfield to compete for a premiership without Warner but with Curnow up front?

 

[Farmer Lister]

One for the road

One last time around oval 2

 

[Elite Pete]

Do Sydney still have a good enough midfield to compete for a premiership without Warner but with Curnow up front?

Yes

All Australian ruck or close to. AA Heeney and Gulden, Good defensive mid in Rowbottom and skipper Mills.

 

[eaglevision]

The fact we're discussing the two year contract and potential free agency means I've got what I wanted, it is now at least factoring into the thought process.

I disagree as I have made clear, but I do understand the collective thought process.

Your argument is perfectly reasonable I was arguing the same at times when he was still a chance to come over but after seeing shit teams lay waste to our midfield I would trade Willem Duursma for a guaranteed Chad Warner. I wouldn’t have traded Harley and I wouldn’t trade Cochrane as the #1 pick next year.

A haul of Warner, Sharp (2), Cumming/Schubert/Grlj (7) and Ainsworth/Dalton (22) would be great.

 

[Boohemian]

You would take anyone in this draft over warner for the same pick!! Delusional. No kid is going to shift the needle for 3 years or four. A winning culture is of the utmost importance and losing another 20+games next year isn't fathomable. This whole drafting for the next 10yrs bla bla. We need players exactly like warmer

There's no needle moving in the next 3 years. We've got to do this the hard way.

Draft elite talent, develop them and get games into them.

Would be wonderful getting senior players in to assist, but can't do it at the expense of laying a strong foundation.

 

[Elite Pete]

There's no needle moving in the next 3 years. We've got to do this the hard way.

Draft elite talent, develop them and get games into them.

Would be wonderful getting senior players in to assist, but can't do it at the expense of laying a strong foundation.

If you can get players like Dawson and Rankine in for the right draft capital you do it.

Just don’t over pay when doing it

 

[Mop]

Your argument is perfectly reasonable I was arguing the same at times when he was still a chance to come over but after seeing shit teams lay waste to our midfield I would trade Willem Duursma for a guaranteed Chad Warner. I wouldn’t have traded Harley and I wouldn’t trade Cochrane as the #1 pick next year.

A haul of Warner, Sharp (2), Cumming/Schubert/Grlj (7) and Ainsworth/Dalton (22) would be great.

 

[Coasters7]

It’s all very well to say wait two years for Warner. We need experience on the field now, the young players need support and we need wins to keep everyone hopeful.
Everyone being players and supporters. Not sure the Reid’s and Shanahans of the world are sticking around for too many one win seasons away from friends and family.

Warner isn’t that guy though. Especially not for a top 2 pick.

These are the sorts of decisions that got us where we are. Panicking and overcommitting on players (Kelly) and getting shafted at the trade table.

Warner is available for free in 2 years. He’s not a must have. Giving up valuable assets for him now is a waste.

 

[Hasselhough]

No need to be condescending mate. We still get to choose how we use our picks. Curnow is Sydney's problem, not ours.

Exactly. Sydney don't have the capital Carlton would want to get a deal done and I doubt Sydney have the salary for curnows large contract without shedding a decent player .

If we were the 3rd party to the deal to get it done we would have the leverage.

What needs to happen is we cant approach Sydney . Warner needs to ask for a trade

 

[kane249]

Chad is staying in Sydney for now to try and jag a premiership.
If they are about to land Curnow there is no way he's leaving.
I reckon best chance to get him is in a couple of years when Heaney is on the way out (and Sydney premiership window shutting) and he can cash in his chips and return home for the last few years of his career. May not be WC either at that time, Freo may be have enough cap space.

This bit surprised me so I looked up Heeney's age, had no idea he was 29 already

Feel like he's still in his early 20s but he's just been around that long

Mills at 28 too

 

[Mop]

I've just gone and had a look at the list of number 1 draft picks.
Lets look at every one since the new millenium. How many of those were busts aside from GWS's bad batch.

Jack Watts didn't deliver. Paddy McCartin was wrecked by concussion. JUH has his off field stuff. Kreuzer didn't get there.

That's really about it for true busts.