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List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Coasters7 said:
Do we need/want Warner? I’d be hoping Hewett is showing signs of being that player in 2 years.

We need someone that knows how to find the ball even when his team is playing poorly. Warner has shown an ability to go missing when the heat is on. Would still take him but not at the cost he would command
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I think Warner would add a lot to our midfield personally. Don't think he goes missing more than other players tbh.
He will be a restricted free agent (I believe) at the end of 2027, so not sure what trade cost he would demand at that point in time, but I think he'd be worth it.
 
WCE777 said:
Why?
I think WC are being very active in the trade space.
Having a crack at everyone we know of and lots we don't would be my guess.
We cant land all our top targets as we are where we are in our list build.
We will get a few upgrades which will be a decent offseason.
The likes of Ah Chee, McVee, Erasmus, Davies, Reidy would be a decent haul if we can get 4 of them.
We need 2 mids that can help with our kids that are being smashed because they are young and developing, whether that is Davies, Steele, Erasmus I would take 2 of them.
McVee is an outside wing, transition player with speed and good skills if that's where WC want him to play there.
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As explained, prior form in this area. That’s all we can judge Matt Clark on and his team. Small sample size but that’s all we have.

The players we are getting linked to late in the year are not the ones I think should be the priority. At this stage last year we knew or it looked increasingly likely that Graham and Baker would be Eagles players in 2025. Owies thing happened late.

There are only so many players you can bring in and even less with 3 to 4 first round picks also likely coming in.

As I’ve said before they don’t need to be AA quality but low cost or free role players would go a long way if they are the positions of need.
 
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Coasters7 said:
BW breakout? Might actually be able to time his jumps and hit to advantage if he knows it’s consistently going straight up
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If they are going to lose the bounce and throw it up, they MUST also ban rucks from crossing the centre line in the centre square, there is no need for a ruck to move out of their side to block the other ruck.
 
I think everyone agrees we should upgrade our ruck. If we don't have the opportunity to do so at a reasonble price, then we keep working on the midfield. If "please god" Yeo comes back next year, and we can find another senior big bodied mid (Steele/Davies/Windhager types) then it won't matter as much if Flynn and B Will keep getting beaten, we'll have some bodies on the ground to actually help Reid.

Either way though we need a plan to target the right ruck in the next two years. Be it a Moyle/Reidy/Reeves/Knobel etc.,
 
The top 5 rucks in the league - Gawn, Grundy, Xerri, Marshall and English all in teams outside the 8.

While we need an upgrade I just don't think rucks move the needle much and you certainly shouldn't be spending a heap to get one.

The top 8 teams have:
Riley O'Brien (rookie draft)
[PLAYERCARD]Rhys Stanley[/PLAYERCARD] (pick 47)
[PLAYERCARD]Darcy Cameron[/PLAYERCARD] (pick 48)
[PLAYERCARD]Sean Darcy[/PLAYERCARD] (pick 38) - Jackson the outlier hybrid
[PLAYERCARD]Oscar McInerney[/PLAYERCARD] (rookie pick)
[PLAYERCARD]Jarrod Witts[/PLAYERCARD] (pick 67)
Lloyd Meek (pick 69 giggity)
Kieran Briggs (pick 34)

None are first rounders, most are 3rd+
We shouldn't have to spend any more than that on a competent ruck.
The common theme among these guys is they are huge lads who all took a while to get going and are now late 20s to 30yr olds.
We either stick with what we've got or look to poach a mid 20s ruck for cheap.
 
Barrybran said:
Ruck is no longer the #1 priority. As I posted earlier in the week, we're faced with continuing with Flynn/Williams, replacing them with other fringe AFL rucks, or trying to find a young ruck. We should be asking questions and we do need to bring in a ruck but, at this stage, Flynn/Williams look like the best options for 2026.

I don't mind asking the question of Marshall but I don't see why he would cross the country when he's played nearly a decade with the Saints. He'd be better off trying his luck with Geelong or GWS.
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At this stage of his career it's all about money,money,money. He needs one big payday, why would he want to be on a lot less money than TDK.
 
Barrybran said:
You realise half forward is an area of need, right? We don't talk about it much (if at all) but Ryan is rumoured to be on the outer, Cripps was supposed to retire this year, Owies is useless, Long hasn't quite come on, Champion is a couple of years away from being regular best 23, and we're playing the likes of Gross, Hutchinson, Dewar through there trying to keep them in the AFL side.
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If Ryan leaves and Ah Chee came in that makes alot of sense I think but if Ryan stays then you only got that 1 spot at HF and I think we got Davis/Cripps/Newton IMHO as 3 clear options for it so it isnt much of a need
 
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The top 8 teams have:
Riley O'Brien (rookie draft)
Rhys Stanley (pick 47)
Darcy Cameron (pick 48)
Sean Darcy (pick 38) - Jackson the outlier hybrid
Oscar McInerney (rookie pick)
Jarrod Witts (pick 67)
Lloyd Meek (pick 69 giggity)
Kieran Briggs (pick 34)
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Harry Barnett (pick 23)
Big Boy Bailey (pick 37)
Matt Flynn (free agent, originally pick 41)

We've overpaid for a turd sandwich.
 
Next minute.

Sign TDK as a free agent to be our ruck
Sign Starcevich as free agent
Sign [PLAYERCARD]Matt Crouch[/PLAYERCARD] as free agent

Trade [PLAYERCARD]Oscar Allen[/PLAYERCARD] and some late picks for points to Gold Coast for Port First Rounder (pick 7) and Alex Davies and a promise not to bid on any of their academy kids

Win's all round.
 
While great teams don’t need great ruckmen, they can’t afford for their ruckmen to be totally uncompetitive when opposed to good AFL ruckmen.

We have 5 list spots taken up by ruckmen: Flynn, Bailey Williams, Barnett, Jamieson (now being converted to a KPD) and Livingstone. That’s a large proportion of our list. And I think we’ve seen enough to conclude that not one of them is likely to be competitive against good AFL ruckmen. That is a major list management issue that needs to be addressed.

We can attempt to get Moyle, Marshall and Reeves but I suspect we’re no chance there, they have too many better options. Duane Massey and co need to get busy to find other prospects ASAP.
 

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Elite Pete said:
As explained, prior form in this area. That’s all we can judge Matt Clark on and his team. Small sample size but that’s all we have.

The players we are getting linked to late in the year are not the ones I think should be the priority. At this stage last year we knew or it looked increasingly likely that Graham and Baker would be Eagles players in 2025. Owies thing happened late.

There are only so many players you can bring in and even less with 3 to 4 first round picks also likely coming in.

As I’ve said before they don’t need to be AA quality but low cost or free role players would go a long way if they are the positions of need.
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Any player that we bring in for a 3rd or 4th rounder will be depth at best except maybe Reidy from FRE.
We seriously need a couple of B grade players to upgrade our list and I call Davies, McVee, Ah Chee all B grade players.
Erasmus maybe but probably has the least upside of Davies, McVee types.
We have stacks of draft capital to bring in what we need with all our 2nd rounders and future 2nd round picks that I would be targeting to make things happen.
 
Coasters7 said:
Do we need/want Warner? I’d be hoping Hewett is showing signs of being that player in 2 years.

We need someone that knows how to find the ball even when his team is playing poorly. Warner has shown an ability to go missing when the heat is on. Would still take him but not at the cost he would command
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You don’t say no to top end A Grade talent in their prime, if he comes across as a FA it’s a no brainer.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
If Ryan leaves and Ah Chee came in that makes alot of sense I think but if Ryan stays then you only got that 1 spot at HF and I think we got Davis/Cripps/Newton IMHO as 3 clear options for it so it isnt much of a need
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As a fan of Liam R, he has great X factor and closing speed to apply pressure. However, through physiology and/or an unwillingness to traing hard he lacks a real tank so is only a bust proposition. With age and injuries his output is likely to diminish.
 
Bacchus said:
Hutchinson nothing like Ryan - in fact it could be argued he is the very opposite, only thing in common is they might play forward.

Ryan is a highly skilled, one touch, speedy burst player - Hutchinson is a fumbler, one pace player whose best attribute atm is his tackling.
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Confirmed. Hutchinson = Hutchings
 
In the gift that keeps on giving scenario, did we skip on Alex Dodson because we had us a little Harry Barnett? Our inability to fold our hand on that one will haunt us for years to come
 

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plays tall 1 said:
While great teams don’t need great ruckmen, they can’t afford for their ruckmen to be totally uncompetitive when opposed to good AFL ruckmen.

We have 5 list spots taken up by ruckmen: Flynn, Bailey Williams, Barnett, Jamieson (now being converted to a KPD) and Livingstone. That’s a large proportion of our list. And I think we’ve seen enough to conclude that not one of them is likely to be competitive against good AFL ruckmen. That is a major list management issue that needs to be addressed.

We can attempt to get Moyle, Marshall and Reeves but I suspect we’re no chance there, they have too many better options. Duane Massey and co need to get busy to find other prospects ASAP.
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How is Livingstone tracking?
 
Obeanie1 said:
So you are assuming the club didn't pursue Sheldrick hard last year?

What is that based off?
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The lack of any media articles from 2024. Most of the interest in Garcia also came from astute watchers on this board.
 
plays tall 1 said:
While great teams don’t need great ruckmen, they can’t afford for their ruckmen to be totally uncompetitive when opposed to good AFL ruckmen.

We have 5 list spots taken up by ruckmen: Flynn, Bailey Williams, Barnett, Jamieson (now being converted to a KPD) and Livingstone. That’s a large proportion of our list. And I think we’ve seen enough to conclude that not one of them is likely to be competitive against good AFL ruckmen. That is a major list management issue that needs to be addressed.

We can attempt to get Moyle, Marshall and Reeves but I suspect we’re no chance there, they have too many better options. Duane Massey and co need to get busy to find other prospects ASAP.
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I think Livingstone will surprise some people. He's got grit and loves a goal. Just needs some more time to develop
 
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