List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Quick links

• Player contract status
• Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

  3star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

  2star

  M

  1.7

  2star

  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

  4star

  D

  7.8

  2star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  3.2

  3star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  1.6

  4star

  G

  0.6

  3star

  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Saying it's fine because other things went okay is a cop out that ignores the fact that the overall picture is made up of the individual trades.

That’s not what I said at all.

I said that claiming that you shouldn’t ever trade out a contracted best 23 player for a future pick and its horrible list management is short-sighted. There might be some very good reasons for doing that, based on all the other stuff that the club does over the offseason.

 

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[Tugga27]

Can we just start a seperate Dev thread so all Dev talk goes there and doesn’t clog up this thread

We should set up a poll if we should recruit him or not.

Then revisit it at the end of the year if we do

 

[Elite Pete]

That’s not what I said at all.

I said that claiming that you shouldn’t ever trade out a contracted best 23 player for a future pick and its horrible list management is short-sighted. There might be some very good reasons for doing that, based on all the other stuff that the club does over the offseason.

Give us some of those very good reasons for a club with our list?

Preparing for a trade for a player like Warner? That worked out well.

Have too many picks? With a list profile like ours and how young it is, that would be a bigger issue.

Have depth in that position and the gap isn’t big between player A and player B? Yep, Darling type trade maybe but was he going to be best 23?

Have young blokes in that position that need to play and can’t get games? Yeah maybe but we ain’t no where near that in any position

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Give us some of those very good reasons for a club with our list?

I’ve given examples. They’re not necessarily relevant to our list, because that’s not what I was arguing.

• weak draft this year, stronger draft next year
• already have plenty of picks in this draft
• need points for academy/FS picks next year

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Still dont think we take cdt if we keep both top two picks

 

[beagles]

Still dont think we take cdt if we keep both top two picks

I think we do.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Can we just start a seperate Dev thread so all Dev talk goes there and doesn’t clog up this thread

Same with the talk about drinks please. Most delicious beverages MEGATHREAD

 

[Elite Pete]

I’ve given examples. They’re not necessarily relevant to our list, because that’s not what I was arguing.

• weak draft this year, stronger draft next year
• already have plenty of picks in this draft
• need points for academy/FS picks next year

I’m arguably our list, every list is different.

-Drafts change over 12 months plus just keep the contracted player instead.
-If you already have plenty of picks, keep the player.
-Sort the points out in 12 months and not an issue for us next year.

 

[Mr Q]

Alternate universe time and we go back to last years trade period

Trade Barrass and our F4 for 14 and Hawks F2,F3 - same trade that we did but instead we get 14 instead of Hawks F1

Send our R2 pick (which became 30) to Richmond for Baker

So we go to the draft with 3 and 14 instead of 12 and 30

One thing though, has the Hawks coughed up their pick last year, we'd have sent that straight on for Baker. Not our R2 pick. And looking at this year, that wouldn't have been unreasonable at all.

Not sure we'd have got anything more than just 14 from the Hawks either - the F2+F3 were because they flipped the main pick traded for TB into this year.

The trade was supposed to be effectively Baker for TB (with 14 passing through our hands).

So we'd have had 3 + 30, but this year not had the Haw R1/2/3.

Ignoring they could've been Carlton picks sigh that's what we really did: 3 for 12, F1, F2, F3.

 

[leighmo]

It's easy to knock the choice of picks in hindsight but Carlton should have been a finals team and Hawthorn had a good injury run last year. Those picks should have been much closer to each other than they are, and I would argue closer to Hawthorn's pick than Carlton's.

I seem to remember thinking this was the wrong choice given how both teams fared in the second half of the year.

Carlton only won 2 of their last 8 games, and those were over WC and North. Included in this was a thrashing by Hawthorn. They also bombed out of finals in the first week.

Meanwhile Hawks only lost 4 of their last 17 home and away games, and were less than a goal away from a prelim.

People saying this was a 50/50 decision is giving Clarke a lot of credit. Obviously we have hindsight now, but looking back, their was fairly clear writing on the wall.

 

[Peptide Pig]

In the VFL though. A really ordinary league.

Clay did that 4 times in 6 games this year in the WAFL too as it turns out.

Ordinary compared to what? You are on another planet if you think that the WAFL is a higher standard than the VFL. There is 14 AFL clubs with listed players playing in the VFL every week, clubs with some of the best depth and fringe players in the league. There is 2 in the WAFL and one is WC with no depth. The talent pathway is also stronger in VIC so more players that miss out of getting drafted or previously listed AFL players end up in the VFL.

The standard of opposition is higher so whatever numbers Dev has been putting up in the VFL would likely increase in the WAFL against lesser opposition. Having said that, he shouldn’t be playing much WAFL if he came to us.

 

[Barrybran]

I seem to remember thinking this was the wrong choice given how both teams fared in the second half of the year.

Carlton only won 2 of their last 8 games, and those were over WC and North. Included in this was a thrashing by Hawthorn. They also bombed out of finals in the first week.

Meanwhile Hawks only lost 4 of their last 17 home and away games, and were less than a goal away from a prelim.

People saying this was a 50/50 decision is giving Clarke a lot of credit. Obviously we have hindsight now, but looking back, their was fairly clear writing on the wall.

I would have preferred the Carlton picks but what I am pointing out is that the decision was very much 50/50 at the time

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I seem to remember thinking this was the wrong choice given how both teams fared in the second half of the year.

Carlton only won 2 of their last 8 games, and those were over WC and North. Included in this was a thrashing by Hawthorn. They also bombed out of finals in the first week.

Meanwhile Hawks only lost 4 of their last 17 home and away games, and were less than a goal away from a prelim.

People saying this was a 50/50 decision is giving Clarke a lot of credit. Obviously we have hindsight now, but looking back, their was fairly clear writing on the wall.

My view at the time was that it was a flip of the coin. You could see either side suffering a drop-off. Of course we picked wrong, we’ve basically done everything wrong for the last few years.

And it looks like the AFL journos were split on who’d finish higher: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1274339...-winner-rising-star-and-more/amp?webview=true

 

[Rowan18]

I seem to remember thinking this was the wrong choice given how both teams fared in the second half of the year.

Carlton only won 2 of their last 8 games, and those were over WC and North. Included in this was a thrashing by Hawthorn. They also bombed out of finals in the first week.

Meanwhile Hawks only lost 4 of their last 17 home and away games, and were less than a goal away from a prelim.

People saying this was a 50/50 decision is giving Clarke a lot of credit. Obviously we have hindsight now, but looking back, their was fairly clear writing on the wall.

I was firmly of the view that Hawks would be found out and Blues would be over their injuries and play finals. I was wrong. So was the club.

 

[Selgae]

The difference between the Carlton and Hawthorn picks - worth more than whatever handout the AFL gives us?

 

[Tyberious Funk]

All the folks simping for Dev...

Have you actually looked at his record? He's basically an older version Clay Hall. Honestly, who do you think he pushes out of the team?

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

All the folks simping for Dev...

Have you actually looked at his record? He's basically an older version Clay Hall. Honestly, who do you think he pushes out of the team?

Lol he’s far more athletic and defensively accountable than Clay is.

 

[leighmo]

My view at the time was that it was a flip of the coin. You could see either side suffering a drop-off. Of course we picked wrong, we’ve basically done everything wrong for the last few years.

And it looks like the AFL journos were split on who’d finish higher: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1274339...-winner-rising-star-and-more/amp?webview=true

Well hindsight definitely helps. I remember thinking it was likely the wrong decision, but I probably would have thought the same if WC had gone the other way. Looking purely at wins/losses though, Hawthorn were on the up and Carlton were heading backwards.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I seem to remember thinking this was the wrong choice given how both teams fared in the second half of the year.

Carlton only won 2 of their last 8 games, and those were over WC and North. Included in this was a thrashing by Hawthorn. They also bombed out of finals in the first week.

Meanwhile Hawks only lost 4 of their last 17 home and away games, and were less than a goal away from a prelim.

People saying this was a 50/50 decision is giving Clarke a lot of credit. Obviously we have hindsight now, but looking back, their was fairly clear writing on the wall.

Personally I thought the Hawks would still finish above Carlton but not by much, Carlton also had the third easiest draw this year while Hawthorn had the third of fourth hardest. No one could foresee Carlton getting cursed by injuries. As soon as Jagga Smith went down in the pre-season it was down hill from there.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Lol he’s far more athletic and defensively accountable than Clay is.

They're both list cloggers. But one of them has had the luxury of playing for a top side.

 

[ziad]

They're both list cloggers. But one of them has had the luxury of playing for a top side.

And both probably in our best 22
Such is life

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

They're both list cloggers. But one of them has had the luxury of playing for a top side.

Dev is an instant upgrade on the cloggers we’ve already delisted, and Hall for that matter who played regular footy this year. I don’t love him but it’s also a bit of a no brainer. He’s handy as a stop gap whilst we get up and going again. List builds take time.

 

[MeltMan]

I drink bourbon.

not all of us have to drown out the voices in our head the messages we get about the Harley deal on big footy every day.