List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[stallon]

If Sydney fizzle out during the finals and Warner does a baker and wants syd fairly compensated I think it'll get a bit ugly and cost a fair bit. I agree it's too much, hopefully as a minimum a r2/f2 was coming back.

Clarke doesnt have an existing relationship with Sydney, and he has to know he stuffed it up with Baker.

A top 4 pick(the compo) + our 2026 1st pick which is likely top 6 for Warner and a mid to late 1st rounder is a ridiculous price, and something I still consider overs. 2 picks in the top 5 area of the draft is just an enormous price.
Warner isnt Judd or anything, hes not even close to that areas to be demanding that sort of value.

Id argue Warner is worth the Hawks 1st(assuming its around pick 10-14) plus our 2026 1st rounder if we are being generous as we did with Richmond, which is still far less than what I said in my last comment.

 

[Boots73]

Yeah Warner would be great.
Might be not popular oomph here but I would like to see Rodriguez ,Curtain and Swaddling on our list.
Warners draft capital prob puts an end to this.
Don’t mind if Oscar Allen wants to walk if he can get 7 year contract somewhere.
Wouldn’t offer more than 4, we are well stocked with tall talented Fwd & he is injury prone.
If Harley doesnt sign on mid season ,we possibly could have the draft picks to get Warner and the young guns from the West

 

[quackish]

Clarke doesnt have an existing relationship with Sydney, and he has to know he stuffed it up with Baker.

A top 4 pick(the compo) + our 2026 1st pick which is likely top 6 for Warner and a mid to late 1st rounder is a ridiculous price, and something I still consider overs. 2 picks in the top 5 area of the draft is just an enormous price.
Warner isnt Judd or anything, hes not even close to that areas to be demanding that sort of value.

Id argue Warner is worth the Hawks 1st(assuming its around pick 10-14) plus our 2026 1st rounder if we are being generous as we did with Richmond, which is still far less than what I said in my last comment.

Considering what Freo paid for Bolton, I’m sure the swans will expect a bit more for Warner. Assuming we land band one, the swans would almost certainly demand that pick and our hawks first too. If we don’t get band one (which is most likely) then I think the hawks pick and 2026 is the more likely outcome. Assuming Clarke doesn’t split our first pick to facilitate the trade.

 

[WCE777]

Youve got us overpaying by a long way for Warner there imo, thats Judd value areas, Warner isnt close to that.
If it was the band 1 compo + our 2026 1st pick for Warner + the swans 2025 1st pick maybe, with the swans potentially adding more there to even it out depending on finishing spots.
Hawks 1st + a 2nd rounder(if hawks make finals) for Dan Curtin
Swans 1st to draft Cody Curtin
Our own 1st rounder for Rodriguez

I like it.

A midfield of Reid, Hewett, Curtin, Warner and Graham in 2026 sounds pretty nice.
Add Rodriguez in 2027 once hes had a 2nd pre-season.

Pretty good tbh

Warner x 2 is worth 2 1st round picks similar to Bolton, Hawks 1st and our future 1st or buy 1 from GC. Maybe a F3rd or F4th for Cory Warner.
That leaves WC with own 1st, 2nd, Hawks 2nd and 3rd to get Banfield/Walley and best available talent, probably leaving WC 1st, Hawks 3rd left that's why I would use 2026 capital to buy a GC 1st round pick for top targets.
Rodriguez and Cody Curtin are top priorities and most likely 1st rounders, with WC 1st, GC 1st, Hawks 3rd left if there is someone available, 2027 draft capital would be beneficial to trade out for any talent WC believe are in their future plans.
Allen stays on 5 years, he isn't going anywhere and you don't let KFWD's go of his quality unless he is injured badly. FA targets would be B Starcevich(BRI) or K Farrell(PA).

 

[stallon]

Considering what Freo paid for Bolton, I’m sure the swans will expect a bit more for Warner. Assuming we land band one, the swans would almost certainly demand that pick and our hawks first too. If we don’t get band one (which is most likely) then I think the hawks pick and 2026 is the more likely outcome. Assuming Clarke doesn’t split our first pick to facilitate the trade.

the hawks 1st+our 2026 1st or band 1 compo+our 2026 1st for Warner+swans 1st is way more than Freo paid for Bolton.
Remember we got pick 12+14 for pick 3 this year, and that was considered unders(not considering the draft pool). We got pick 8+14 a couple years ago for pick 2.

10+14 is roughly the value Freo paid for Bolton, thats about the equivalent to a top 4 pick on its own. Thats a whole mid 1st round pick less value than im suggesting.


We 100% get band 1 or Oscar if he goes, thats not even a question

 

[stallon]

Warner x 2 is worth 2 1st round picks similar to Bolton, Hawks 1st and our future 1st or buy 1 from GC. Maybe a F3rd or F4th for Cory Warner.
That leaves WC with own 1st, 2nd, Hawks 2nd and 3rd to get Banfield/Walley and best available talent, probably leaving WC 1st, Hawks 3rd left that's why I would use 2026 capital to buy a GC 1st round pick for top targets.
Rodriguez and Cody Curtin are top priorities and most likely 1st rounders, with WC 1st, GC 1st, Hawks 3rd left if there is someone available, 2027 draft capital would be beneficial to trade out for any talent WC believe are in their future plans.
Allen stays on 5 years, he isn't going anywhere and you don't let KFWD's go of his quality unless he is injured badly. FA targets would be B Starcevich(BRI) or K Farrell(PA).

Our own 2nd rounder might be enough for Curtin, hes a WA based KPD who might give off the impression that hes a flight risk, so he might slide a touch. Agree we probably should try to buy a 1st rounder off GC to make sure though. Freo shouldnt take him if they keep their 1st rounder as they have a heap of talls already.

 

[WCE777]

Our own 2nd rounder might be enough for Curtin, hes a WA based KPD who might give off the impression that hes a flight risk, so he might slide a touch. Agree we probably should try to buy a 1st rounder off GC to make sure though. Freo shouldnt take him if they keep their 1st rounder as they have a heap of talls already.

might be, good problem to have!
If Warner x 2 happen and WC trade for a decent ruck, probably on have 2 list spots after Jamieson, Cripps, Petch, Sheed, Rawlinson are delisted.
Banfield and Walley will take 2, so will need to delist a couple of underperformers to pick up 2 elite talents like Rodriguez and Curtin.
Flynn would be the first, maybe he is ruck coach in ALFW team 2026, Brockman or Chesser would be next to delist/trade.

 

[stallon]

might be, good problem to have!
If Warner x 2 happen and WC trade for a decent ruck, probably on have 2 list spots after Jamieson, Cripps, Petch, Sheed, Rawlinson are delisted.
Banfield and Walley will take 2, so will need to delist a couple of underperformers to pick up 2 elite talents like Rodriguez and Curtin.
Flynn would be the first, maybe he is ruck coach in ALFW team 2026, Brockman or Chesser would be next to delist/trade.

Flynn is a perfectly fine ruck if he can stay fit, last year was that hammy that ruined most of his year, thats just awful luck more than anything. I wouldnt be writing him off yet.
Id only sign another ruck if Flynn got the boot.

Brockman is the guy id be looking to delist to make space, and Hunt is one id consider not re-signing, I could see him being out of the side partway through the year if not from the start of the year. Hes 30 in April, so hes not that young and he isnt really a required player when we have just brought in a couple of other leaders into the club this year.

 

[quackish]

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the hawks 1st+our 2026 1st or band 1 compo+our 2026 1st for Warner+swans 1st is way more than Freo paid for Bolton.
Remember we got pick 12+14 for pick 3 this year, and that was considered unders(not considering the draft pool). We got pick 8+14 a couple years ago for pick 2.

10+14 is roughly the value Freo paid for Bolton, thats about the equivalent to a top 4 pick on its own. Thats a whole mid 1st round pick less value than im suggesting.


We 100% get band 1 or Oscar if he goes, thats not even a question

Im not debating band 1 or 2 if Oscar leaves im just saying if he leaves. Warner is also a lot better than Bolton, at least that’s how it presents. And he is a midfielder not a lazy mid/fwd.

 

[briztoon]

Starcevich would cost similar to Baker in a trade, likely the Sydney 1st round pick youve got us getting as a minimum (unless Brisbane dont want more assets this year as they have their academy kid in the top 10ish).

Unless the AFL tones down the compo significantly, Starcevich is comfortably a band 1 compo player. Hes at least as good as Battle and hes better than Perryman who both got band 1 this year, thats what Brisbane would be giving up by losing him to a trade rather than FA. Hes actually a restricted free agent.

I dont think Allen out is in any "best case scenario", we are still better off using the hawks 1st+ a future pick or something for Warner x2 and getting nothing back than losing Allen for pick 3 tbh. Hes still an A-grader and we have no guarantees Shanahan or Archer will be good at AFL level yet.
If we did the trade of hawks 1st + 2026 1st pick for Warner, and kept Allen, we can sign Starcevich as a FA and still keep out first pick for a mid anyway. Wont have a pick in the first round for a KPD, but it is what it is

We'd take the compo pick and look to trade one of our two firsts in to next year, and keep the other for matching.

 

[briztoon]

If Allen did walk, I wouldn't be against going after DanCurtin instead of starcevich at the risk of ruling out our compo

Hawks f1 - Curtin
WCE 1st - best available mid talent
WCE band 1 compo + 2026 1st - Warner

Hawks F1 is probably better than the compo pick we'd recieve for Starcevich, as compensation we receive is linked to our ladder position.

 

[stallon]

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Im not debating band 1 or 2 if Oscar leaves im just saying if he leaves. Warner is also a lot better than Bolton, at least that’s how it presents. And he is a midfielder not a lazy mid/fwd.

Yeah, Warner is worth more than Bolton, but I accounted for that with my suggestions of trade values for him

 

[quackish]

Yeah, Warner is worth more than Bolton, but I accounted for that with my suggestions of trade values for him

And I think our fair price is very different to Sydney’s. I think the major picks moving will be hawks 1 and our 2026 1st. Then depending on if Clarke is feeling all touchy feely we might get back their 1st pick in 2025

 

[stallon]

And I think our fair price is very different to Sydney’s. I think the major picks moving will be hawks 1 and our 2026 1st. Then depending on if Clarke is feeling all touchy feely we might get back their 1st pick in 2025

I generally dont bother suggesting anything if I am completely happy with it. I suggested overs, thats not my fair price for Warner. My fair price is 1 single top 5 pick, no more than that.
Ive split the middle with what is a decent compromise with the 2x top 5 picks(1 being a future pick) for Warner + the swans 1st, or hawks 1st + a f1

Fair is basically what Freo paid for Bolton, Bolton was contracted too remember, Warner wont be.

 

[briztoon]

I generally dont bother suggesting anything if I am completely happy with it. I suggested overs, thats not my fair price for Warner. My fair price is 1 single top 5 pick, no more than that.
Ive split the middle with what is a decent compromise with the 2x top 5 picks(1 being a future pick) for Warner + the swans 1st, or hawks 1st + a f1

Fair is basically what Freo paid for Bolton, Bolton was contracted too remember, Warner wont be.

The Lachie Neale trade was picks 6, 19 & 55 for Neale & pick 30.

Pick 3 plus a future second round pick "should" be enough.

Sydney won't want a mid to later first round pick in the 2025 draft. They have 3 academy kids of their own in the draft, one or two potentially first round kids.

 

[quackish]

I generally dont bother suggesting anything if I am completely happy with it. I suggested overs, thats not my fair price for Warner. My fair price is 1 single top 5 pick, no more than that.
Ive split the middle with what is a decent compromise with the 2x top 5 picks(1 being a future pick) for Warner + the swans 1st, or hawks 1st + a f1

Fair is basically what Freo paid for Bolton, Bolton was contracted too remember, Warner wont be.

I really hope you’re right. I’m sick of getting screwed at the trade table

 

[quackish]

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The Lachie Neale trade was picks 6, 19 & 55 for Neale & pick 30.

Pick 3 plus a future second round pick "should" be enough.

Sydney won't want a mid to later first round pick in the 2025 draft. They have 3 academy kids of their own in the draft, one or two potentially first round kids.

I don’t think west coast would want to part with pick 3, unless it’s a compo pick for Allen

 

[briztoon]

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I don’t think west coast would want to part with pick 3, unless it’s a compo pick for Allen

I should have specified I was meaning an Allen compo pick.

I’m firmly in the take picks to the draft camp, and wait for Warner to become a restricted free agent.

Only way that changes is if Allen leaves and WC get a band 1 compo pick.

 

[quackish]

I should have specified I was meaning an Allen compo pick.

I’m firmly in the take picks to the draft camp, and wait for Warner to become a restricted free agent.

Only way that changes is if Allen leaves and WC get a band 1 compo pick.

There’s one tiny detail which leads me disagree. That detail being Harley Reid. I think our chances of retaining him improve drastically if we sign Chad in 2026. And if Chad signs more than a 3 year deal, when he turns 26 we’d have to trade for him anyway right? Better to strike while the iron is hot I reckon.

 

[Tugga27]

Flynn is a perfectly fine ruck if he can stay fit, last year was that hammy that ruined most of his year, thats just awful luck more than anything. I wouldnt be writing him off yet.
Id only sign another ruck if Flynn got the boot.

Brockman is the guy id be looking to delist to make space, and Hunt is one id consider not re-signing, I could see him being out of the side partway through the year if not from the start of the year. Hes 30 in April, so hes not that young and he isnt really a required player when we have just brought in a couple of other leaders into the club this year.

Brockman contracted until 2026.

Can't see him getting the chop.

 

[stallon]

The Lachie Neale trade was picks 6, 19 & 55 for Neale & pick 30.

Pick 3 plus a future second round pick "should" be enough.

If we got Warner for just the 6+19 value thatd acceptable imo. We are used to the club not playing hardball

Sydney won't want a mid to later first round pick in the 2025 draft. They have 3 academy kids of their own in the draft, one or two potentially first round kids.

Are you suggesting theyd want only future picks?

If nothing else a mid 1st rounder linked to the Hawks could be split further, they might be after some more points I guess

 

[Dark Sharks]

Brockman would have to do something stupid off field or be very bad this year to get released early from the final year of his contract. He got 3 years for a reason.

I don't believe Chesser is AFL quality, but i'd be surprised if he didn't get offered a 1Y deal, unless he's awful or injured in 2025. If he continues being the level he is currently, he'll squeeze out another year.


Cripps, Rawlinson, Sheed, Petrucelle and Jamieson are the early candidates IMO.

Hutchinson, Dewar and Livingston would need to have decent seasons or they could be joining the above.

 

[Goomba1973]

totally agree with all of your assessment.
Who would you have front of mind for all those positions?
My first round thoughts are, Rodriguez looks to be an elite accumulator mid, inside and outside player, Curtin KDEF.
A 204cm+ ruck ready to play, 24yo at least, L Reidy from FRE looks a really good option imo.
Don't have much idea nationally except seems to be general top 10 many people are discussing, 2025 draft looks like several KP players and lots of Academy players, would be interested in any thoughts or knowledge of the type of players you describe?

At the moment Rodriguez looks like a no brainer. Lighting fast, silky smooth , gets his hands on it often and hurts the opposition with laser like passes into the forward 50, but keep an eye on Riley Onley from Vic Country as well, big bodied with bucket loads of class. Curtin IMO is one of the best young KPD going and like Rodriguez should also be a priority target. The difficult one is the ruck situation, do we develop or do we go after an established ruck? We have Barnett who needs some more time, he is a slow burn but I think will be good if we are patient. We should not go for a Forward/Ruck, we need a specialist ruck.... What established rucks should we look at ?

 

[Goomba1973]

If we got Warner for just the 6+19 value thatd acceptable imo. We are used to the club not playing hardball

Are you suggesting theyd want only future picks?

If nothing else a mid 1st rounder linked to the Hawks could be split further, they might be after some more points I guess

I think 12, 21 + F2 for Warner at the end of next season..... here is why, He is a free agent at the end of 2026 and I cannot see Sydney dropping off a cliff and finishing outside finals . If they finished 8th in 2026 and lose him to free agency Sydney only get pick 12 as compensation. We can add a little to that but not many clubs are going to have the draft capital to match at the end of next year that WC have.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Brockman contracted until 2026.

Can't see him getting the chop.

Wish we didn't have to offer longer contracts to players we trade in to get them across, but I guess we're forced to based on what their original club or other clubs are offering.
We gave 3, 4 & 5 years respectively to Owies, Graham & Baker too, but at least they're more established players than Brockman.