List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[We_The_West]

Id be asking the question of Lachie Neale. Maybe a Sam Mitchell sort of deal playing into coaching, if he wants to head in that direction and his misses still keen to get home while the kids are young

The 3 clubs that traded in champion mids from the hawks 3 peat to help develop their youth have all won premierships

 

[bzparkes]

He's 23, for ****'s sake, not 32. You'd be picking a guaranteed gun over a crapshoot. There are absolutely no guarantees that two of the top five players in this year's draft end up better than Chad Warner, in fact, odds are probably against it.

And?

Who do we then replace Yeo and Kelly with? Pick 60??

If you think the top end of the draft is a crapshoot, wait until you have no first rounders and are trying to fill your list holes with picks in the 30s and up.

Warner won't single-handedly change the fortunes of the Eagles next year, but he might at the end of 2027 when the draft is massively compromised by Tassie.

 

[WCE777]

He's 23, for ****'s sake, not 32. You'd be picking a guaranteed gun over a crapshoot. There are absolutely no guarantees that two of the top five players in this year's draft end up better than Chad Warner, in fact, odds are probably against it.

absolutely correct

 

[bzparkes]

absolutely correct

Not really.

We have a list full of flankers and not many actual mids.

2 of our main mids are close to retirement and one is currently at least 5 weeks away from a return.

Are we seriously suggesting we should just go and blow 2x first rounders on Chad Warner, when we barely have a midfield and we can just make a FA play in 2 years anyway, when we're actually on the way back up?

Too many people hoping for a quick fix when our midfield is utter poo.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Do people that call Warner a front-runner or cherry-on-top player etc. actually watch Sydney games? Reads like copium.

I think for me it's more the mindset that recruiting one player at the expense of our draft hand is the answer to our problems. I mean Carlton recruited Judd, the Lions Fevola, the Swans Buddy, the Bombers are continually recruiting big names but that doesn't necessarily lead to premierships.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

People who are saying they are not fussed that Chad is staying at the Swans are lying to themselves. He is exactly the player we need to fastrack our rebuild and start being competitive again. I for one am bummed that he's chosen to stay - although can't blame him given where we're at as a footy club right now.

Three years from now is a long time and anything could happen between now and then. We may never see Chad running around in an Eagles jersey which is very disappointing

Chasing Warner reeks of desperation for a quick fix for our list issues, and also us being terrified of Harley leaving and trying to get a sugar hit to keep him.

Sorry to break it to you, but we need a full and complete list build.

We should be letter Oscar go and not chasing big fish worth multiple firsts. Unless we want to be Essendon and finish 7th.

We need minimum two years of hitting the draft hard.

When did this club become about being trade week premiers? Maybe put your red and black sash on and head over to the bombers board because you seem to be lost.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

When an elite midfielder from WA wants to come home, you make it happen. Obviously, don’t overpay like Kelly.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case.

We need to move on from Warner now. We need players that want to be at the club and help us rebuild, not ones that want to join later to top up their super, once the hard work is done.

 

[bzparkes]

When an elite midfielder from WA wants to come home, you make it happen. Obviously, don’t overpay like Kelly.

You don't ruin your list build for it though. That's the major concern with going for Warner right now. We have a really strong draft hand and there's already some top WA kids projected to go at the pointy end for those overly parochial.

There's also a good amount of mids in the top 10

Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Thankfully, it's bad timing.

We need to move on from Warner now. We need players that want to be at the club and help us rebuild, not ones that want to join later to top up their super, once the hard work is done.

Warner will be 26 when he's next up for contract, as an RFA no less(presuming he signs the 2-year deal). That's entering his prime, in a compromised Tassie draft, which would be perfect for us to make a play. We'll have 2 years of more list turnovers, as well as having picks at the top of the draft + our NGAs look promising for the next 2 seasons. If he comes, our list should be in a way stronger position, right at the prime of his career.

The last thing we want to do is go the Carlton model of having a few top-end players surrounded by garbage.

 

[random260]

Don't worry Harley will take on the taggers and attention while our young mids develop.


So nothing really changes. If Harley leaves then then the opposition will tag our 2025 first round draft pick. Because our other mids like duggan or Graham are not damaging enough to tag

Chasing Warner reeks of desperation for a quick fix for our list issues, and also us being terrified of Harley leaving and trying to get a sugar hit to keep him.

Sorry to break it to you, but we need a full and complete list build.

We should be letter Oscar go and not chasing big fish worth multiple firsts. Unless we want to be Essendon and finish 7th.

We need minimum two years of hitting the draft hard.

When did this club become about being trade week premiers? Maybe put your red and black sash on and head over to the bombers board because you seem to be lost.

And how will we our 2025 draft pick cope with being tagged in his first and second year? In the event Harley goes he will be tagged.

Nobody else if worth the salt of being tagged. Graham duggan rofl

The fact is somebody is always going to be tagged or have attention drawn and it wont be our existing mids beside Harley.


Richmond have ****ing Toronto and hopper to take the tags. Norf have ldu and we have???

 

[WCE777]

Not really.

We have a list full of flankers and not many actual mids.

2 of our main mids are close to retirement and one is currently at least 5 weeks away from a return.

Are we seriously suggesting we should just go and blow 2x first rounders on Chad Warner, when we barely have a midfield and we can just make a FA play in 2 years anyway, when we're actually on the way back up?

Too many people hoping for a quick fix when our midfield is utter poo.

that's ok, we have different opinions.
Warner deal is not done for Sydney or WC at this point and he is not a flanker as you suggest, he is an elite mid who wants to come to WC, what's not too like?
Yes he will cost 2 1st rounders and yes that is a big cost, but it will be Hawks 1st and WC F1st, that's the deal that will get it done.

Will leave WC with our 1st pick 3-4 to nail the best available midfield talent, great result.
Draftees take at least 3 years before they are ready to take a leading role, Reid is the exception and if our top 2025 draftee comes on quicker, great.

Its because Kelly and Yeo are nearly done that now is as good as time as any to trade him in, he will instantly move our team considerably and push Kelly to HF, Yeo will probably play mid until he can't and move to HB in his final year.

The strategy if Warner comes is to trade another B grade mid like J Ward and as a 22yo who is ready to break out or be our 4th mid at worst, with a mature body while all our kids develop.
Using that strategy WC have 2025 pick 4, Hall, Gross, B Allan all developing and potential mids.

In 2028 WC midfield will be Reid/Warner/Hewett/Ward and Hall/Gross/2025 pick 4 developing and rotating.

If Warner doesn't come in 2025 then comes 2027 FA(maybe, he is coming home/2 horse race) then we still need the next midfielder who is ready to play like Ward and we have midfield of Reid/Warner/Hewett/Ward and Hall/Gross/Allan/2x2025 draftees developing and rotating.

Probably end up being 2 years advanced on the rebuild with Warner and another B grade mid come 2028 imo.

 

[Elite Pete]

The 3 clubs that traded in champion mids from the hawks 3 peat to help develop their youth have all won premierships

Yeah adding Neale would be ideal but would just come down to trade cost but if definitely be asking the question and we would have plenty of cap room to pay him overs for for 2-3 years here.

 

[bzparkes]

that's ok, we have different opinions.
Warner deal is not done for Sydney or WC at this point and he is not a flanker as you suggest, he is an elite mid who wants to come to WC, what's not too like?
Yes he will cost 2 1st rounders and yes that is a big cost, but it will be Hawks 1st and WC F1st, that's the deal that will get it done.

Will leave WC with our 1st pick 3-4 to nail the best available midfield talent, great result.
Draftees take at least 3 years before they are ready to take a leading role, Reid is the exception and if our top 2025 draftee comes on quicker, great.

Its because Kelly and Yeo are nearly done that now is as good as time as any to trade him in, he will instantly move our team considerably and push Kelly to HF, Yeo will probably play mid until he can't and move to HB in his final year.

The strategy if Warner comes is to trade another B grade mid like J Ward and as a 22yo who is ready to break out or be our 4th mid at worst, with a mature body while all our kids develop.
Using that strategy WC have 2025 pick 4, Hall, Gross, B Allan all developing and potential mids.

In 2028 WC midfield will be Reid/Warner/Hewett/Ward and Hall/Gross/2025 pick 4 developing and rotating.

If Warner doesn't come in 2025 then comes 2027 FA(maybe, he is coming home/2 horse race) then we still need the next midfielder who is ready to play like Ward and we have midfield of Reid/Warner/Hewett/Ward and Hall/Gross/Allan/2x2025 draftees developing and rotating.

Probably end up being 2 years advanced on the rebuild with Warner and another B grade mid come 2028 imo.

Just better off filling out boots IMO.

Also, I can't see us not coughing up our first pick this draft for Warner, based on Pyke's comments last trade period.

Imagine we gave up our first and Hawks, then missed out on Rodriguez and Curtin(for example), when we realistically could end up with all 3 starting in season 2028?

I don't really care all that much about our infield performances for the next couple of years, beside being competitive, playing an exciting brand of footy and players showing good development.

Warner isn't getting us into finals in the next 2 seasons but he may just help us get to mid table purgatory.

Also, whilst Ward's a good target, it's incredibly unlikely he'd come to WCE.

I want a team capable of contending for multiple flags, not hovering around the edge of finals.

If that takes an extra couple of years then so be it. In the meantime, we can load up on NGA players, who are starting to look very promising.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I'm ok with Warner signing for 2 years to free agency.
Bring in as many draft picks as we can now, and round out the team with established players once Tassie compromises the draft (or via free agency).

 

[stallon]

Its interesting that hill and Cameron are linked seeing as they chose not to come back to WA

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Easy to see that the Pies current list management strategy isnt sustainable, and the Pies may not fight too hard to keep them knowing they have to adjust slightly and actually use some picks eventually

 

[stallon]

Yeah adding Neale would be ideal but would just come down to trade cost but if definitely be asking the question and we would have plenty of cap room to pay him overs for for 2-3 years here.

Surely he wouldnt be too expensive?
I know hes still playing good footy but he will be 32 in May, and the Lions will need space in the midfield for all their f/s and academy kids - which will be 5 first round pick mids from 2022-2025 drafts

Perhaps thats something we could come to an agreement with the Lions on regarding Allen FA, forget Starc we go for Neale

 

[stallon]

If we got Warner our midfield is still unbalanced imo, we wont get Ward or anyone like him, the best case is probably Sheldrick/Allan types who are fine but they are far from being players we could rely on being best 22 long term

We still have a heap of kids on the list, and more f/s and NGA kids coming in the near future, it does make sense to find cheaper player to complement them rather than chasing an A-grade mid who needs an actual midfield around him to be his best. If Warner was a Clayton Oliver type who can go and get his own ball consistently then that would be different, we have plenty of aggressive burst mid options in Reid/Hewwett/Allan

Better off chasing undervalued players and older players who can be mentors/leaders

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

People who are saying they are not fussed that Chad is staying at the Swans are lying to themselves. He is exactly the player we need to fastrack our rebuild and start being competitive again. I for one am bummed that he's chosen to stay - although can't blame him given where we're at as a footy club right now.

Three years from now is a long time and anything could happen between now and then. We may never see Chad running around in an Eagles jersey which is very disappointing

Pro's for Chad signing for 2 years at the Swans

1. Time is not right for us just now. He's Brownlow chance at the Swans, but how good will he be at West Coast Dogshit?
2. We get to spend a top 4 pick on one of the best punks in the country
3. Come free agency in 2 years, if he comes to us, it will cost no draft picks
4. In 2 years time, the timing is better. Harley, Ginbey, Hough, and Hewitt will have 80 games in them. Some other players will also have games into them (Maric, Long, Dewar, and/or whoever cuts it). Players just started like Archer, Shanahan, Bazzo and/or whoever cuts it might have 40+ games into them.

Con's for Chad signing for 2 years at the Swans

1. Our rebuild takes a bit longer
2. It might be a factor in Harley leaving
3. He might get over his homesickness and stay at the Swans.


Either scenario has ifs and buts. The only problem that I have with our rebuild so far is coughing up pick 3 last year.

I'd also prefer to offload OA for first round compo. Two picks inside top 4 and maybe an early teens pick would be good for us. To be able to get two of the best young midfielders in the country, and then to be able to grab an elite outside mid with the Hawks pick would be a good result.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If we got Warner our midfield is still unbalanced imo, we wont get Ward or anyone like him, the best case is probably Sheldrick/Allan types who are fine but they are far from being players we could rely on being best 22 long term

We still have a heap of kids on the list, and more f/s and NGA kids coming in the near future, it does make sense to find cheaper player to complement them rather than chasing an A-grade mid who needs an actual midfield around him to be his best. If Warner was a Clayton Oliver type who can go and get his own ball consistently then that would be different, we have plenty of aggressive burst mid options in Reid/Hewwett/Allan

Better off chasing undervalued players and older players who can be mentors/leaders

I don't rate Sheldrick, but rate Ed Allen. The problem with Allen is that he is a Dev Robbo type. An unknown quality that you have to pay pick 20-25 for. Dev Robbo is now at the "we'll give you pick 55 or him" point. I'm not looking at ex-pats until we can see some sort of list formation.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Don't worry Harley will take on the taggers and attention while our young mids develop.


So nothing really changes. If Harley leaves then then the opposition will tag our 2025 first round draft pick. Because our other mids like duggan or Graham are not damaging enough to tag



And how will we our 2025 draft pick cope with being tagged in his first and second year? In the event Harley goes he will be tagged.

Nobody else if worth the salt of being tagged. Graham duggan rofl

The fact is somebody is always going to be tagged or have attention drawn and it wont be our existing mids beside Harley.


Richmond have ****ing Toronto and hopper to take the tags. Norf have ldu and we have???

Yep. Being in a rebuild sucks, that’s why clubs do everything they can to prevent their list deteriorating to the point that a rebuild is required.

How do you think Paddy Cripps felt winning about 5 games in 5 seasons 2015-2019? Or LDU having a 20% win rate etc.

Unfortunately we’re here now, and there are no short cuts.

 

[stallon]

I don't rate Sheldrick, but rate Ed Allen. The problem with Allen is that he is a Dev Robbo type. An unknown quality that you have to pay pick 20-25 for. Dev Robbo is now at the "we'll give you pick 55 or him" point. I'm not looking at ex-pats until we can see some sort of list formation.

Yeah Allan being in contract makes it harder, but I didnt say necessarily we have to go for him.
The idea is just to get cheaper mids who can play at AFL level straight away if needed and will be competition for spots/depth for a few years.

Sheldrick is still good at doing that extractor role, and as I said its more depth and competition for spots that could be relatively cheap as hes OOC and not best 22 at the Swans who sound like they prefer their other young academy mids

Improves the floor of our performances, not the ceiling

 

[JackOutback]

Not really.

We have a list full of flankers and not many actual mids.

2 of our main mids are close to retirement and one is currently at least 5 weeks away from a return.

Are we seriously suggesting we should just go and blow 2x first rounders on Chad Warner, when we barely have a midfield and we can just make a FA play in 2 years anyway, when we're actually on the way back up?

Too many people hoping for a quick fix when our midfield is utter poo.

So you turn down a potential brownlow medallist and get two players, one of which is potentially at pick 13-18 (further with the usual shenanigans) and could be a bust? Look, I get pick 3 could be anything, they could even be as good as Chad Warner, but I suggest we just take Chad Warner.

It's not like anyone is suggesting that's the end of the rebuild. You make one of the picks next year's, which is even more compromised, and we can still use a first round pick this year, you trade for more picks or players where you can. But the idea of turning your back on an elite player in the hopes that two lotto picks must surely turn into at least one elite player seems silly.

 

[bzparkes]

So you turn down a potential brownlow medallist and get two players, one of which is potentially at pick 13-18 (further with the usual shenanigans) and could be a bust? Look, I get pick 3 could be anything, they could even be as good as Chad Warner, but I suggest we just take Chad Warner.

In my opinion, yes, because as I said in a follow up post, Warner doesn't help us make finals over the next 2 years, let alone contend.

Instead, we give up good draft capital and maybe finish further up the table, thus pushing our picks even further back in increasingly compromised drafts.

After doing that, we then fail to improve the bottom 6 of our best 22, instead of raising the floor even higher across the board.

Having a few elite players can only get you so far, just ask Carlton.

Conversely, look at how Hawthorn are currently traveling. They have no out & out superstars like Carlton do but what they do have is a very strong bottom 6, supported by a very good top end. They have way more of an even spread and the results are currently speaking for themselves.

It's not like anyone is suggesting that's the end of the rebuild. You make one of the picks next year's, which is even more compromised, and we can still use a first round pick this year, you trade for more picks or players where you can. But the idea of turning your back on an elite player in the hopes that two lotto picks must surely turn into at least one elite player seems silly.

We're cutting ourselves 2 top end talents short if we trade now and simply don't wait for FA.

Now if Oscar walks, that's a different discussion altogether but again, my preference would be to nail the top end of this draft right now and make a play for Warner when he hits FA, as the list should be primed by then.

Warner isn't making much, if any difference to our potential to contend for a flag in the next 2 years, so might as well raise the floor and potentially unearth a few high end talents along the way.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Yeah Allan being in contract makes it harder, but I didnt say necessarily we have to go for him.
The idea is just to get cheaper mids who can play at AFL level straight away if needed and will be competition for spots/depth for a few years.

Sheldrick is still good at doing that extractor role, and as I said its more depth and competition for spots that could be relatively cheap as hes OOC and not best 22 at the Swans who sound like they prefer their other young academy mids

Improves the floor of our performances, not the ceiling

I don't see the point in stacking up average mids. You can create a bit of competition to get them playing at peak, but you can't manipulate a George Hewitt into being a Scott Pendlebury.

Scott Pendlebury's aren't developed. That's how they come out of the pack. That's what we need to find. No amount of B-graders will somehow morph into a A+ grader.

 

[mattyc75]

Not really.

We have a list full of flankers and not many actual mids.

2 of our main mids are close to retirement and one is currently at least 5 weeks away from a return.

Are we seriously suggesting we should just go and blow 2x first rounders on Chad Warner, when we barely have a midfield and we can just make a FA play in 2 years anyway, when we're actually on the way back up?

Too many people hoping for a quick fix when our midfield is utter poo.

I guess it depends on if you think hall, Hewett, Harley, johnston, allen, Davis, Hutchinson, Dewar, gross are going to make it as midfielders or a combination of them.also if reid goes we'll be flush with picks.
Not pursuing chad would be brave, or stupid.
Personally I think it'd be stupid. He's got big game experience and the earlier we get him in the better


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[mattyc75]

Chasing Warner reeks of desperation for a quick fix for our list issues, and also us being terrified of Harley leaving and trying to get a sugar hit to keep him.

Sorry to break it to you, but we need a full and complete list build.

We should be letter Oscar go and not chasing big fish worth multiple firsts. Unless we want to be Essendon and finish 7th.

We need minimum two years of hitting the draft hard.

When did this club become about being trade week premiers? Maybe put your red and black sash on and head over to the bombers board because you seem to be lost.

Making the team better doesn't always equate to the saying of the hour.. sugar hit
He'll be around for years and we'll still have picks and a fair few promising youngsters

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