List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Dom sheed pocket]

Making the team better doesn't always equate to the saying of the hour.. sugar hit
He'll be around for years and we'll still have picks and a fair few promising youngsters

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If the draft was such a poor mechanism for rebuilding teams, I’m really confused why teams use it?

Why don’t they just trade their way out of a rebuild?

Adelaide gave up 17(!!!!) for Dawson and a single pick 5 for Rankine.

Mega trades requiring multiple firsts, just isn’t any way to build a list for sustained success.

 

[bzparkes]

I guess it depends on if you think hall, Hewett, Harley, johnston, allen, Davis, Hutchinson, Dewar, gross are going to make it as midfielders or a combination of them.also if reid goes we'll be flush with picks.

I hope they're good but the odds are stacked against half of them. Even if they turn out serviceable, we still need as many A/A+ players in the midfield as possible. Yes, Warner would improve the midfield but then we need to replace Yeo and Kelly.

The GC game just went to show how bad our midfield depth is. Brisbane game would change perceptions obviously, but look at the midfields for all the top teams and you'll see that even with adding Warner, we still wouldn't be close to what they have.

Not pursuing chad would be brave, or stupid.
Personally I think it'd be stupid. He's got big game experience and the earlier we get him in the better

To do what exactly, when we could potentially just pick him up for free 2 years later?

We ain't making finals, let alone a grand final, in the next 2 years, even with Warner.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I guess it depends on if you think hall, Hewett, Harley, johnston, allen, Davis, Hutchinson, Dewar, gross

I highly doubt you can win a flag with that. It's Harley, Hewett, maybe Chad, player X, player Y, and then one of those out of the rest. Dewar looks good, but I doubt he ends up in the midfield.

 

[boondy]

Not pursuing chad would be brave, or stupid.
Personally I think it'd be stupid. He's got big game experience and the earlier we get him in the better

Its a great discussion for debate , realistically tho its his personal decision . I like the idea of getting him free in 2 years but then Freo might be in a better position . I like the idea of picking up great top end picks now and get him free if we can later on . But if he wants to come then no doubt we will try accommodate

 

[stallon]

I don't see the point in stacking up average mids. You can create a bit of competition to get them playing at peak, but you can't manipulate a George Hewitt into being a Scott Pendlebury.

Scott Pendlebury's aren't developed. That's how they come out of the pack. That's what we need to find. No amount of B-graders will somehow morph into a A+ grader.

Not everybody we recruit has to be an A-grader.
Not everybody we recruit has to be in the team long term.
Recruiting a couple of players for 2nd or 3rd round picks wont affect our ability to draft or develop a Pendlebury.
Not everybody we draft should have to jump into the best 23 with a central role until at least their 3rd/4th season at the earliest
We need to improve our depth in general, Sheldrick would do more for us than a mid 30s pick which would just be used to match bids anyway

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I don't see the point in stacking up average mids. You can create a bit of competition to get them playing at peak, but you can't manipulate a George Hewitt into being a Scott Pendlebury.

Scott Pendlebury's aren't developed. That's how they come out of the pack. That's what we need to find. No amount of B-graders will somehow morph into a A+ grader.

"Scott Pendlebury's aren't developed"

Chad Warner - pick 39
Lachie Neale - Pick 58

And many more examples.

 

[stallon]

If we look at our young(sub 25 years old) potential mids - not counting wingers or players who sound like theyre very unlikely to ever play mid like Grego.
Reid
Hewett
Hall
Gross
Hutchinson

5 names - you want 5 names at least in your side with a half forward or 2 being able to rotate in and around the middle to complete your midfield rotations.
Reid you could comfortably name as your #1 or 2 mid in a good side
Hewett probably anywhere from the #2-#4 is where he will ideally sit
Hall probably the #3 to #5
Gross is still unknown, im just gonna put him the same as Hall.
Hutchinson is a stretch at this stage but still unknown, probably the #4 or #5 though at best

We need probably 2 more players who we can be comfortable as the first rotation in the middle(1-3), and then a few other competent mids as depth

If we go Warner:
Warner would be 1 of those starting mids
Our first rounder in 2026 youd expect to be one of them too
Then we have academy kids and whoever else to fill the gaps, maybe a player or 2 traded in - likely one for 2026 as we wont have much left to trade with after Warner and matching bids
Leaves us with only 1 addition to the middle

Or

We use our picks, get 2 first rounders this year, retain some assets to chase a ruckman and some other mids, and likely end up with adding at least 3 mids to that list I put above.
Still have a first rounder the year after to add whatever type of mid we still think we need.
End up with a much more balanced midfield this way too, being able to pick the type of mids we take with early picks.

If we chase Warner our depth is still shit, and it makes sense to chase some fringe mids from good sides to fill out our depth

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Not everybody we recruit has to be an A-grader.
Not everybody we recruit has to be in the team long term.
Recruiting a couple of players for 2nd or 3rd round picks wont affect our ability to draft or develop a Pendlebury.
Not everybody we draft should have to jump into the best 23 with a central role until at least their 3rd/4th season at the earliest
We need to improve our depth in general, Sheldrick would do more for us than a mid 30s pick which would just be used to match bids anyway

That's not how it works.

We need to find A+ graders as soon as we can. That should be the only focus, as the rest coming typically hinges on our ability to find A+ graders. The best place to find these players is at the top of the draft. Some of those players will end up on flanks. But you're hoping to find 2-3 absolute midfield gems. And you know what? a top 5 pick might end up on a flank and a second rounder might end up a Touk Miller.

If you don't have enough A+ graders, then forget it. The rest of the team won't fire.

So pick bulls and balanced with top 5 picks, pick a KPD and outside mid with picks 5-15. If you get another pick in this range, go for the best small forward. I'm assuming we have enough KPF so left it out. Around all these draft picks are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. You might get lucky and get an A grader or two in this lot, but typically, these are the soldiers. As the A+ graders reveal themselves, some soldiers are going to stand up and take their opportunity. A set team team starts to form. Then you trade in the expats with mid-teen first round and second round picks.

You don't go out and recruit for depth. Depth magically appears when your team is firing. So find the players to make the team fire.

 

[RanaNaved]

Can't be ****ed going back to see if this has already been mentioned, but Cal Twomey intimated we're in to Bobby Hill

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

"Scott Pendlebury's aren't developed"

Chad Warner - pick 39
Lachie Neale - Pick 58

And many more examples.

Do you think that because they were later picks, they were "developed"? They were straight out of the pack. They just hadn't revealed themselves yet. Their (self) development timeline didn't align with the draft. But don't kid yourself and think the club, or a coach, turned an average player into an elite player. It just doesn't work like that.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Do you think that because they were later picks, they were "developed"? They were straight out of the pack. They just hadn't revealed themselves yet. Their (self) development timeline didn't align with the draft. But don't kid yourself and think the club, or a coach, turned an average player into an elite player. It just doesn't work like that.

Chad Warner got 6 disposals in his first game at AFL level.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Chad Warner got 6 disposals in his first game at AFL level.

This is normal but for some reason you think a club can make a person's ability drastically improve?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Hawks gonna get TB, Oscar and a top 5 pick (from Carlton) for pick 14 and this years first, which looks like 18.

 

[stallon]

That's not how it works.

We need to find A+ graders as soon as we can. That should be the only focus, as the rest coming typically hinges on our ability to find A+ graders. The best place to find these players is at the top of the draft. Some of those players will end up on flanks. But you're hoping to find 2-3 absolute midfield gems. And you know what? a top 5 pick might end up on a flank and a second rounder might end up a Touk Miller.

If you don't have enough A+ graders, then forget it. The rest of the team won't fire.

So pick bulls and balanced with top 5 picks, pick a KPD and outside mid with picks 5-15. If you get another pick in this range, go for the best small forward. I'm assuming we have enough KPF so left it out. Around all these draft picks are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. You might get lucky and get an A grader or two in this lot, but typically, these are the soldiers. As the A+ graders reveal themselves, some soldiers are going to stand up and take their opportunity. A set team team starts to form. Then you trade in the expats with mid-teen first round and second round picks.

You don't go out and recruit for depth. Depth magically appears when your team is firing. So find the players to make the team fire.

Tell me where I suggested trading out a top 5 pick for Sheldrick types?
Tell me where I suggested giving up even a first rounder for someone like him?

Trading for a couple of fringe mids who have not found their ceiling yet due to lack of opportunity wont affect our ability to find A-graders from the draft mate.

We need depth in the middle. Whether you think its dire or not is irrelevant, our next in line mid who wasnt playing in the AFL on the weekend was Gross, and he was the only one and hes only a first year player.
Good clubs have mature age depth in the state leagues

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

This is normal but for some reason you think a club can make a person's ability drastically improve?

For some reason you think that 18 year old have fully developed and that all 18 year old blokes develop physically and maturity wise at the same rate.

Some blokes are 17 (like Bailey Smith) on their first day at a club, some are almost 19. Huge variability. A draft is only how prospects were rated at a particular point in time.

 

[stallon]

Hawks gonna get TB, Oscar and a top 5 pick (from Carlton) for pick 14 and this years first, which looks like 18.

anyone know where Zita said this?
Or is it just made up

 

[beagles]

If the ladder predictor is correct, and Essendon trade Daper to crows for a 1st round pick, Allen to FA for pick 2 and trade H to Essendon for picks 3, 4 & 5 ..depending on FA comp.

Go to the draft with picks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 plus 16 from Hawks (6 x 1st round picks )

Sharp
Fred
Duff-Tyler/Emmett
Onley
Curtin
Ludowyke/Dursma/Greeves

Plus WC Fs/academy player

It would mean another round of deep cuts and saying goodbye to Harley and Allen

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

anyone know where Zita said this?
Or is it just made up

It was on AFL tonight

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

If the ladder predictor is correct, and Essendon trade Daper to crows for a 1st round pick, Allen to FA for pick 2 and trade H to Essendon for picks 3, 4 & 5 ..depending on FA comp.

Go to the draft with picks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 plus 16 from Hawks (6 x 1st round picks )

Sharp
Fred
Duff-Tyler/Emmett
Onley
Curtin
Ludowyke/Dursma/Greeves

Plus WC Fs/academy player

It would mean another round of deep cuts and saying goodbye to Harley and Allen

Essendon isn't giving up 3,4,5 and no way do we take 2 talls in the top 5, and no way do we take Curtin at 5.

 

[stallon]

Essendon isn't giving up 3,4,5.

Yeah, 2 of them plus something depending how negotiations go.

Bombers will want to give 2 picks for Reid and something back, we will want the 2 picks plus something

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Tell me where I suggested trading out a top 5 pick for Sheldrick types?
Tell me where I suggested giving up even a first rounder for someone like him?

You didn't, and I never said you did.

Trading for a couple of fringe mids who have not found their ceiling yet due to lack of opportunity wont affect our ability to find A-graders from the draft mate.

We need depth in the middle. Whether you think its dire or not is irrelevant, our next in line mid who wasnt playing in the AFL on the weekend was Gross, and he was the only one and hes only a first year player.
Good clubs have mature age depth in the state leagues

Let me re-clarify my position:

1. We're trying to rebuild. You're talking about somewhat prioritising depth. It's not a priority, at all.
2. It doesn't so much matter if we recruit or draft. Almost all players play at optimum in a good side, and play poorly in bad sides. If you find that core of A+ graders, those other players start stepping up.
3. But if you go to the draft, you might find some A-graders. I'd rather spend pick 35 on a draft KPD over Sheldrick. If Sheldrick and Ed Allen are looking good in 2 years time and want to come home, they should be considered. Maybe Sheldrick is that Jack Redden type? Maybe Allen turns out an Embley type?

Thinking about drafting for depth now is nuts. Even in 5 year's time, it's nuts. We went and got Stenglein and Jetta for specific roles. The last time we went depth, we went for Merenda, Prior, Collica, and Richard someone. He was so shit, I can't even remember his last name.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Essendon isn't giving up 3,4,5 and no way do we take 2 talls in the top 5, and no way do we take Curtin at 5.

I would hold of on statement about Curtain

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I would hold of on statement about Curtain

Sure. He kicked 8.4 and could go on with it and be a top 5 prospect, but I don't think we should be taking a tall in the top 5. Even without Oscar we have an abundance of talls. Every top 5 pick we get we need to invest in the midfield.

We have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to young talls. Imagine being dogshit and still not being able to fit Shanahan in your 23, but a midfield that looks like ours.

Our list is so unbalanced.

 

[stallon]

You didn't, and I never said you did.


Let me re-clarify my position:

1. We're trying to rebuild. You're talking about somewhat prioritising depth. It's not a priority, at all.
2. It doesn't so much matter if we recruit or draft. Almost all players play at optimum in a good side, and play poorly in bad sides. If you find that core of A+ graders, those other players start stepping up.
3. But if you go to the draft, you might find some A-graders. I'd rather spend pick 35 on a draft KPD over Sheldrick. If Sheldrick and Ed Allen are looking good in 2 years time and want to come home, they should be considered. Maybe Sheldrick is that Jack Redden type? Maybe Allen turns out an Embley type?

Thinking about drafting for depth now is nuts. Even in 5 year's time, it's nuts. We went and got Stenglein and Jetta for specific roles. The last time we went depth, we went for Merenda, Prior, Collica, and Richard someone. He was so shit, I can't even remember his last name.

So you honestly think trading a late 2nd rounder or a future 2nd/3rd rounder(like pick 35-45 areas) for a guy like Sheldrick who is ready to jump into the best 23 at any time in a position we are extremely weak in would negatively affect our ability to rebuild, rather than just make the team better as a whole in the short term, to help ensure we dont get exposed in the middle as much and provide a better environment for our young players to thrive?
Remember we wont be able to use a pick 40ish this year, we have NGAs and f/s to match
Likely a similar story next year with some promising NGAs coming through.

The idea is Sheldrick would come in and compete for a midfield spot.
Yeo is on limited game time when hes even in the side.
Kelly is still decent but we dont want to be relying on him for much longer.
Graham is slow and ideally we would be pushing him to a flank in the next couple of years. Hes a defensive player anyway, not really one to go get the ball.
Baker is better at half back

Its just kids after those guys, theyre not all ready to take a prominent role in the middle yet, and probably wont until theyre 4 years in.
Sheldrick isnt some rookie list throw at the stumps, hes a first round pick who hasnt been able to consistently break into a Sydney side thats been in 2 of the last 3 grand finals lol, thats 2 of his 4 seasons.

We need midfield help right now, as well as in a couple of years when yeo and Kelly are gone.
itll be a lot easier for Hall/hewett/Gross/Rodriguez or whoever to impact in 2 years time when yeo and Kelly arent in the middle if we have someone a couple of years older than them doing the bulk of the grunt work

 

[bzparkes]

Sure. He kicked 8.4 and could go on with it and be a top 5 prospect, but I don't think we should be taking a tall in the top 5. Even without Oscar we have an abundance of talls. Every top 5 pick we get we need to invest in the midfield.

We have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to young talls. Imagine being dogshit and still not being able to fit Shanahan in your 23, but a midfield that looks like ours.

Our list is so unbalanced.

If he looks like the second coming of Lance Franklin, you don't pass him up.

You shift players elsewhere.

Of course, it'd be dependent on Oz leaving and I'd want to be picking the best midfielder first and foremost.