List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Elite Pete]

Cal reporting on Gettable that Vic teams feel Harley is more likely to stay in the West but until he signs it will still be in play. Said it’s good to see him play good footy.

 

[Scotland]

I don't think a club should be able to get a quality player that another club has invested a draft pick and years of development in for free just by offering him $1 more than his current club has offered.

With proper RFA, you can't. Someone like Harley Reid - who RFA status should apply to - should be eligible for a specific extension from WC and WC only. The NBA have it sorted with rookie extensions, qualifying offers etc.

Where the AFL have really cooked the system is having no restrictions on contracts other than draftees. Whether it's a trade or free agency or 'PSD or GTFO' move a club can theoretically offer Harley Reid $3m a year if they want to. If the AFL had proper rules he would only be eligible for a maximum of say 4 x $800k at his age and relative list of accomplishments and WC would be able to offer more than suiting clubs. But they don't so here we are.

The simplest way of doing it is to make a rule that only half a players salary counts in the cap if it is a player you drafted. That would weight things heavily in favour of the club that developed the player.

Not a huge fan of this. Melbourne drafted Gawn, Viney (F/S rort), Oliver + Petracca & Brayshaw (FA rort). Do we want to see a scenario where half those guys salaries are outside the cap?

 

[Farang83150]

Off gettable:

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Off gettable:
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And????

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Reporters constantly get this sh1t wrong though.

When Tom Morris isn't saying respectful and inclusive things about his colleagues, he's usually on the money.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

And????

Wouldn't you like some players that weren't good enough to make it at the team only slightly better than us, but have been worse for a lot longer?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Wouldn't you like some players that weren't good enough to make it at the team only slightly better than us, but have been worse for a lot longer?

None of those players but potentially Phillips interests me.

 

[MaxHunt]

Wonder what impact Oscar leaving would have on Harley and the other younger players? Oscar's age should mean he will be around when the club next completes at the pointy end, they also traded in 27 y/o's, but letting him goes could imply that the window of completing is aways off.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Wonder what impact Oscar leaving would have on Harley and the other younger players? Oscar's age should mean he will be around when the club next completes at the pointy end, they also traded in 27 y/o's, but letting him goes could imply that the window of completing is aways off.

I think the bigger question is what impact would it have on waterman who is a year older, didn’t play on gf day in 2018 despite playing 18 games that year and is best mates with Oscar and voiced his opinion that he wants Oscar to stay (up forward) and almost sought a trade in 2022 and again in 2023.

Kids won’t mind becuase they see the future in Jobe and Archer and to a lesser extent Jack Williams.

 

[Barrybran]

None of those players but potentially Phillips interests me.

Ford would be pretty handy but wouldn't be a long term prospect

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Ford would be pretty handy but wouldn't be a long term prospect

Ford reminds me of a Petch who tackles.

 

[sharps24]

Wonder what impact Oscar leaving would have on Harley and the other younger players? Oscar's age should mean he will be around when the club next completes at the pointy end, they also traded in 27 y/o's, but letting him goes could imply that the window of completing is aways off.

It does seem like Harley tends to prefer the company of the older players and he seems to have a good relationship with Oscar, and more worryingly, the Shueys. With a bit of luck he'll have his OG bestie [Yeo] back in the side by the end of the year to lessen the pain of losing Oscar. If he could stay healthy there would be no worries Oscar can't have success with this team before he retires, finals could be on the cards by 2027 and we'd expect to be in the thick of it by 2030 which would be toward the end of the sort of deal Oscar is looking for. The point is though that he's worth at least 2x, probably 3x, more to us if he leaves as a free agent. Throw in the fact that he's notoriously injury prone too but its really not even that, we need the midfield talent that we can only really access through the draft, and have plenty of players in his position with similar ceilings and better age profiles already.

 

[WCE777]

It does seem like Harley tends to prefer the company of the older players and he seems to have a good relationship with Oscar, and more worryingly, the Shueys. With a bit of luck he'll have his OG bestie [Yeo] back in the side by the end of the year to lessen the pain of losing Oscar. If he could stay healthy there would be no worries Oscar can't have success with this team before he retires, finals could be on the cards by 2027 and we'd expect to be in the thick of it by 2030 which would be toward the end of the sort of deal Oscar is looking for. The point is though that he's worth at least 2x, probably 3x, more to us if he leaves as a free agent. Throw in the fact that he's notoriously injury prone too but its really not even that, we need the midfield talent that we can only really access through the draft, and have plenty of players in his position with similar ceilings and better age profiles already.

agree with all of this

 

[Elite Pete]

West reporting Oscars injury is worse then being let on.

 

[FKASC]

Shit, guess it’s career ending

 

[Grahame]

Here’s a left field one given there’s been discussion about long contracts.

There is currently no minimum right?

So if the rumour is Harley is worth 10x2mill, how about we offer him 15 years at 1.5? Or 20 years at 1.25?

Could or would the AFL stop it?

Obviously it’s well beyond his use by date, but we’d be say we’ll look after you until you’re 35 or 40. No money worries at all. And 35 or 40 is a long time for a 20yo.

And would anyone match it? Nope.

Like I say left field.

 

[Godfather32]

Here’s a left field one given there’s been discussion about long contracts.

There is currently no minimum right?

So if the rumour is Harley is worth 10x2mill, how about we offer him 15 years at 1.5? Or 20 years at 1.25?

Could or would the AFL stop it?

Obviously it’s well beyond his use by date, but we’d be say we’ll look after you until you’re 35 or 40. No money worries at all. And 35 or 40 is a long time for a 20yo.

And would anyone match it? Nope.

Like I say left field.

Magic Johnson had a 25 year contract with the Lakers, they were still paying him $1 million a year until 2009 or something, about 18 years after he retired

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Magic Johnson had a 25 year contract with the Lakers, they were still paying him $1 million a year until 2009 or something, about 18 years after he retired

We're still paying Kelly after he retired at the end of last year too.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Here’s a left field one given there’s been discussion about long contracts.

There is currently no minimum right?

So if the rumour is Harley is worth 10x2mill, how about we offer him 15 years at 1.5? Or 20 years at 1.25?

Could or would the AFL stop it?

Obviously it’s well beyond his use by date, but we’d be say we’ll look after you until you’re 35 or 40. No money worries at all. And 35 or 40 is a long time for a 20yo.

And would anyone match it? Nope.

Like I say left field.

Because he ain’t Chris Judd or Ben Cousins. Such over paid players these days.

 

[stewpyd2]

West reporting Oscars injury is worse then being let on.

Or, they want to cotton wool him.

It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s worse. It may just mean they aren’t taking risks (rightly so).

 

[twce13]

West reporting Oscars injury is worse then being let on.

do your thing mr clarke

 

[WCE777]

List Management
Long post.
As we have the bye, its a good time to look at potential moves on our list at the end of this year.
Looking at possible outcomes draft and trade wise and who might make the cut.
If we draft 6, 3 top end draftees and 3 NGA/FS players we will need 8 list spots to be cleared because we drafted in 2 MSD players.
Most likely gone
Possible delisting's/trade outs:
Jamieson: hasn't progressed after many years and injury prone/delist
Cripps: coming to the end and getting slower/retire
Hunt: coming to the end and his last year/retire/delist
Sheed: coming to the end and hasn't been best 22 for a couple of years/retire
Rawlinson: hasn't progressed as we would like/delist/trade
Chesser: hasn't come on after plenty of time on the list and is injury prone/delist/trade
Petch: hasn't been in best 22 for a while/trade/delist
Barnett: hasn't progressed at all/delist/trade/pay out contract

Likely extensions
Newton: playing for a spot and if shows enough should get a 1 year extension
Livingstone: has shown enough that worth another short term rookie contract, 1 year
Cole: best 22 most of the season/2 or 3 year contract
Bazzo: with the lack of KPD depth will get a short term 1 year deal

Unknown but likely gone
Allen: pick 2 FA compensation to BRI
Gov: bloody concussion most likely medically retired this year, if not he will retire 2026/either way legend of the club

Trade targets
D Cameron: if this deal gets done another list spot will likely be needed, Flynn gets early pay out and stays on as AFLW ruck coach.
J Busslinger: if and when Gov retires he should be replaced with an almost ready to go prospect
N Erasmus: if Chesser doesn't put together a decent block of games he will most likely be delisted/traded and Erasmus takes his list spot.

Be interested in others thoughts on this list strategy and how we get better?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

With proper RFA, you can't. Someone like Harley Reid - who RFA status should apply to - should be eligible for a specific extension from WC and WC only. The NBA have it sorted with rookie extensions, qualifying offers etc.

Where the AFL have really cooked the system is having no restrictions on contracts other than draftees. Whether it's a trade or free agency or 'PSD or GTFO' move a club can theoretically offer Harley Reid $3m a year if they want to. If the AFL had proper rules he would only be eligible for a maximum of say 4 x $800k at his age and relative list of accomplishments and WC would be able to offer more than suiting clubs. But they don't so here we are.



Not a huge fan of this. Melbourne drafted Gawn, Viney (F/S rort), Oliver + Petracca & Brayshaw (FA rort). Do we want to see a scenario where half those guys salaries are outside the cap?

I don't really understand what you are saying.

You want the AFL to introduce rules limiting how much clubs can offer players at other clubs. And you want that amount to be less than what the club the player is currently at is allowed to offer. Is that right?

How is that any different to allowing a salary cap based advantage to the club that currently has the player? And how are you going to enforce your suggestion and do the restrictions on what they can pay the player just apply to the first contract or in perpetuity? Lets say the other club offers a two year deal initially that stays within those rules but has a handshake deal with the player that they will offer them an extension during the second year of their initial contract that pays them overs and compensates them for the lower amount during the first two years.

All those Melbourne players you mentioned are still at Melbourne bar Brayshaw (who was medically retired) and they won one flag and have struggled badly since. So why are they an example of why it is a bad idea if clubs are allowed to keep players they draft and develop themselves?

 

[Grahame]

Because he ain’t Chris Judd or Ben Cousins. Such over paid players these days.

I said it was left field. Melbourne are paying Kozzie until the end of his (probable) playing days. I'm saying lengthen the contract to a ridiculous level which will not only deter other clubs, but might also appeal to a player who thinks 'I don't have to worry about money for 10-15 years'. Spread that 10x2million to 15x1.5, 20x1.25 ...

Besides, is it written in the rules you only have to contract players for (probable) playing days? Why not beyond?

It's the Roy & HG approach, when you think something is excessive, instead of shrinking back, be way more excessive. Don't go for a shorter contract go for a unbelievably long one.

Left field.

 

[Elite Pete]

Or, they want to cotton wool him.

It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s worse. It may just mean they aren’t taking risks (rightly so).

The article stats the West understand the injury is worse then what is being let on. (From the part that has been released on the back page)

But if there is no surgery required how bad can it be?