List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Cuzz09]

Can we delist 20+ players?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Can we trade in the best team of psychologists we can, not just for the players but for the supporters too.
I think I’ve got PTSD from watching WC for the last 4 years.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

going to be some melts again this offseason as the club trades picks to try and bring in some players who can actually make a difference between the half forward and half back lines.

Committing to drafting top talent would mean committing to the same old crew unwilling or unable to win a contested ball for another 12 months which the executive won’t tolerate.

Means we’ll be seeing more of our elite talent identification and trade negotiating teams in action come year end which should send shivers up the spine of any supporter.

It's narrower than that. Our recruiters are unable to identify or unwilling to draft fast ground ball players of any sort, contested or uncontested.

The problem with trading for midfielders is that they're likely to be older and slower when we need ball speed and energy ar stoppages. We need someone to anchor our midfielder outside of Reid to free him up, and then we need a fleet of smaller running players.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

It's narrower than that. Our recruiters are unable to identify or unwilling to draft fast ground ball players of any sort, contested or uncontested.

The problem with trading for midfielders is that they're likely to be older and slower when we need ball speed and energy stoppages.

Tom Gross should have played yesterday as should have Malakai Champion, both quick, but we chose to play older players.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I can’t believe we gave Kelly a 2 year extension, I don’t buy into this bullshit argument that we did that so could play WAFL, that’s rubbish!

 

[Goroyals22]

I'd trade Ryan if his agent finds him a spot. Bring in another late first round pick if that's all there is. We have to clear cap space to throw some big money around for decent midfielders.

Ryan isn’t going to net us a first rounder… you would be lucky for a late 2nd

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I can’t believe we gave Kelly a 2 year extension, I don’t buy into this bullshit argument that we did that so could play WAFL, that’s rubbish!

We so did.

Two games in the WAFL a year.

 

[Cuzz09]

Tom Gross should have played yesterday as should have Malakai Champion, both quick, but we chose to play older players.

This x 10 million

The treatment of Gross has been, well, GROSS!

 

[Cuzz09]

No more 2 year+ contracts to guys over 27 years old.

We should know as a club the cliff comes fast.

 

[WCE777]

It's narrower than that. Our recruiters are unable to identify or unwilling to draft fast ground ball players of any sort, contested or uncontested.

The problem with trading for midfielders is that they're likely to be older and slower when we need ball speed and energy stoppages. We need someone to anchor our midfielder outside of Reid to free him up, and then we need a fleet of smaller running players.

So who are these players?
Reportedly into McVee who is a fast ball player, outside.
Robertson is an anchor stoppage player?

 

[Goroyals22]

So who are these players?
Reportedly into McVee who is a fast ball player, outside.
Robertson is an anchor stoppage player?

James Tunstall at the lions we should be after… miles down their pecking order

 

[Godfather32]

Gonna flip out at the next kent who says list spots are tight.

We have the cap space, pay out these soft pretenders and move the **** on.

I mean if people are wanting to keep guys like Jamieson of all people on the list we're always going to be tight on spots.
There's so many guys in our squad who are never going to make it as decent AFL players, there really shouldn't be any problem finding guys to cut.
Some pretty poor contracts have been handed out by the dickheads in charge of our list which handcuffs us slightly, but like you say we've got money to burn, pay them out and move on.

 

[LewyBroome]

This may come across as harsh but….whilst Gavin Bell is at our club, even if we identify magic beans, they’ll come out as weeds. I can’t emphasis more how much this bloke is a fraud. A genuine connection to how we got here can be tracked to his postions at the club. Get rid. Get a GM of football. Hinkley/Longmire, people who’ve been around clubs who can facilitate a professional environment. Our once great club, is being eroded at, and has been long before now. Pathetic.

 

[Cuzz09]

I know its the modern game but I find it annoying that these people deny players staying out on the track and having 100 shots on goal to get your technique right or do extra work tracking workloads.

I think its all out of whack and we need to just train 6 days a week at skills, weights, fitness, run laps with footy in hand, penalise mistakes, get loud with voices, tackle hard just real basic tribal shit

 

[Patron]

Lindsay been sub majority of games recently as he tired out. Id say he is proof we need a winger as opposed to the opposite

Problem with the wing is it feels like we dont eve have 1 at all. It isnt a case of drafting Lindsay and thats ok. 2 wings exist and we have zero wingers to start with. Id like Bo Allan on 1 wing next season but then who plays the other? Id rather just fill it with anything but Jack Hutchinson at this point and in doing so get a actual winger in at the same time

Dewars probably a wing tbh long term.

 

[Smotie2]

I know its the modern game but I find it annoying that these people deny players staying out on the track and having 100 shots on goal to get your technique right or do extra work tracking workloads.

I think its all out of whack and we need to just train 6 days a week at skills, weights, fitness, run laps with footy in hand, penalise mistakes, get loud with voices, tackle hard just real basic tribal shit

This is a good point.
With anything you don't become good until.it becomes second nature.
Training like this makes this happen with the football and skills.

 

[stallon]

Flynn and BBW aren't the answer but Id hate to split a 1st rounder to try and get a 30 y.o

Ideally we use the pick we got for Barrass on DCameron, theyre at least the same age

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's narrower than that. Our recruiters are unable to identify or unwilling to draft fast ground ball players of any sort, contested or uncontested.

The problem with trading for midfielders is that they're likely to be older and slower when we need ball speed and energy stoppages. We need someone to anchor our midfielder outside of Reid to free him up, and then we need a fleet of smaller running players.

Problem is we always target players the other club is not desperate to keep. Richmond and Carlton showed meek interest at best in keeping Owies/Graham but didnt stop us going all out to get them.

We are too soft to hurt anyones feelings so it seems we only target players if the other club gives us some weird form of permission to do so. We are only chasing players when contract negotiations get stuck ie. Cameron and Owies as opposed to getting a player who the other club actually wants to keep. Thats the difference between us and Adelaides recruting over the last 3 years really

 

[CursoryMercenary]

We really should try and trade Duggan. He'd attract offers from Victoria. It won't happen but it would be best for both parties. He can get the ball, but he doesn't use it effectively. He's not a good leader, he can run out a game at least. That's been our problem with our list management, we are too aggressive with trading picks but not enough with trading players. Like the way we should have traded Gaff & Darling at the end of 2021.

 

[stallon]

Problem is we always target players the other club is not desperate to keep. Richmond and Carlton showed meek interest at best in keeping Owies/Graham but didnt stop us going all out to get them.

We are too soft to hurt anyones feelings so it seems we only target players if the other club gives us some weird form of permission to do so. We are only chasing players when contract negotiations get stuck ie. Cameron and Owies as opposed to getting a player who the other club actually wants to keep. Thats the difference between us and Adelaides recruting over the last 3 years really

So you want us to spend all our draft capital trying to pry a required and contracted player out of another club?

We tried with Warner as he sounded likely, Cameron sounds interested, who else out there is willing to cross the country to play for a wooden spoon team?
Its gonna just be the guys who are homesick or the guys who are fringe players.
Unless you start throwing huge TDK type deals at free agents you dont get big fish, but we dont want any free agents this year anyway as we have Allen leaving.
Clubs have a lot of wiggle room in their salary cap too these days to bump up certain players if they think they might leave.

Not as easy as you make it sound

The crows recruited 2 players who were homesick(their best 2 players), then added cheaper depth in Peatling and Cumming once their list was ready to contend, thatd be like us adding Redden or Stenglein back in the day.
We arent in the same situation at all, its not even remotely the same

 

[stallon]

We really should try and trade Duggan. He'd attract offers from Victoria. It won't happen but it would be best for both parties. He can get the ball, but he doesn't use it effectively. He's not a good leader, he can run out a game at least. That's been our problem with our list management, we are too aggressive with trading picks but not enough with trading players. Like the way we should have traded Gaff & Darling at the end of 2021.

Duggan wouldnt get anything that would make it worth losing him.
A 2nd rounder maybe, better off keeping him

 

[WCE777]

Duggan wouldnt get anything that would make it worth losing him.
A 2nd rounder maybe, better off keeping him

Duggan might be a dump kick player who makes shit kicks half the time but at least he cracks in and gives effort.
His skill set is limited but he plays decent each week.
He just isn't captain material, he is a role player.

 

[stallon]

Duggan might be a dump kick player who makes shit kicks half the time but at least he cracks in and gives effort.
His skill set is limited but he plays decent each week.
He just isn't captain material, he is a role player.

Why he gets the main distributor role nobody knows, but yeah he tries. He's not losing his spot any time soon while hes trying.
Ideally we push Cole out of the side and Duggan is relegated to lockdown only

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So you want us to spend all our draft capital trying to pry a required and contracted player out of another club?

We tried with Warner as he sounded likely, Cameron sounds interested, who else out there is willing to cross the country to play for a wooden spoon team?
Its gonna just be the guys who are homesick or the guys who are fringe players.
Unless you start throwing huge TDK type deals at free agents you dont get big fish, but we dont want any free agents this year anyway as we have Allen leaving.
Clubs have a lot of wiggle room in their salary cap too these days to bump up certain players if they think they might leave.

Not as easy as you make it sound

The crows recruited 2 players who were homesick(their best 2 players), then added cheaper depth in Peatling and Cumming once their list was ready to contend, thatd be like us adding Redden or Stenglein back in the day.
We arent in the same situation at all, its not even remotely the same

Im more of a "id rather miss the big fish then catch the minnow" type of person. I think last year we should have went for say James Peatling, missed out and rather then give Owies a 3 year deal put Maric on the main list and get a new rookie .

In saying that I think its pretty obvious we are not going to do that . I dont really want Lachie Sholl in a sense id rather throw insane money at much better players as ive mentioned many times before but I think its still whats going to happen.

Lets say I was able to run this club without any thought of what we would and could do. For me the changes would be this simple

• Give Ned Moyle a enormous deal he cant refuse. Everything this off season would revolve around this. Get it done no matter what. If Gold Coast want to be insane and give up Ben King to match our offer then so be it
• Give Judd McVee the role he wants and bring him in

Instead what we will get is

• Give Darcy Cameron a enormous deal he cant refuse
• Pry Neil Erasmus from Freo with a 4 year deal when they are only offering 2

Its more or less trying to make the better choices then the ones we currently do... If we are going to overpay, if we are going to reach lets overpay and reach for the right players atleast....

 

[stallon]

Im more of a "id rather miss the big fish then catch the minnow" type of person. I think last year we should have went for say James Peatling, missed out and rather then give Owies a 3 year deal put Maric on the main list and get a new rookie .

In saying that I think its pretty obvious we are not going to do that . I dont really want Lachie Sholl in a sense id rather throw insane money at much better players as ive mentioned many times before but I think its still whats going to happen.

Lets say I was able to run this club without any thought of what we would and could do. For me the changes would be this simple

• Give Ned Moyle a enormous deal he cant refuse. Everything this off season would revolve around this. Get it done no matter what. If Gold Coast want to be insane and give up Ben King to match our offer then so be it
• Give Judd McVee the role he wants and bring him in

Instead what we will get is

• Give Darcy Cameron a enormous deal he cant refuse
• Pry Neil Erasmus from Freo with a 4 year deal when they are only offering 2

Its more or less trying to make the better choices then the ones we currently do... If we are going to overpay, if we are going to reach lets overpay and reach for the right players atleast....

• We cant get Moyle if GCS just say no, he signed on again only last year, knocking back offers from his home state and hes only a year or so away from the number 1 spot at GCS anyway. They dont have to match anything we offer. They might go for it but I wouldnt offer him too much overs, comfortably more than hes on now thought for sure.
• McVee yes, but wouldnt he be in that same category as Baker/Owies/Cameron anyway. We should enquire, but we are short on list spots so it might be hard if we want a midfielder too. An Erasmus/Phillips/Sheldrick is more important than a McVee.

• Nothing wrong with offering Cameron big money, hes one of the best rucks in the comp and we need to pay somebody. Buys us 3-4 more years before we need another ruckman too
• Erasmus worst case is some incredible WAFL depth, hes an absolute gun down there, would make life a lot easier for any midfield draftees we grab. Best case hes a solid contributor in the main side. I dont see an issue with this, its the draft capital cost that id be worried about rather than his contract length.

The right players need to be keen to come to us too lol, and we cant just pay them 2x their value just to get them, that just upsets the rest of the squad. Imagine if we offer some B-grader 1.2mil a year and they end up playing like Owies lmao.
What the Saints have been doing just reeks of desperation