List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[WCE777]

Seemingly in the minority, but I don't think Tomlinson is a bad option if he decides he wants to come across

Clearly the 2 young blokes training with us aren't setting the world on fire

tend to agree, at worst 2 year rookie contract an good cover for KDEF and bolster the beagles with all the young blokes.
Just wondering what Phil is doing in Melbourne tomorrow??

 

[Keys]

sounds like Keys has the heads up!
Wonder what Phil is in Melbourne for?
Sounding out another prospect?

Nope - just my gut feel

It was reported Matt Clarke met with Tomlinson last week so that’s public knowledge - but beyond that bit of information there’s been nothing else

No mention that he’s accepted a train on spot or that one of Brock or Van Es have been told their time as a train on has finished. You’d think that given the deadline for a decision is just over 2 weeks away there’d be some indication Tomlinson had accepted our invitation

 

[RanaNaved]

the Eagles are at it again ? what the f**k Tomlinson what a backward step. It must be a ploy surely they are trying to put off other clubs from finding out who they really want. They may has well started a rumour Glen Jakovich is returning for backline backup it would have been more feasible.

Nothing has happened, calm down

 

[WCE777]

Nope - just my gut feel

It was reported Matt Clarke met with Tomlinson last week so that’s public knowledge - but beyond that bit of information there’s been nothing else

No mention that he’s accepted a train on spot or that one of Brock or Van Es have been told their time as a train on has finished. You’d think that given the deadline for a decision is just over 2 weeks away there’d be some indication Tomlinson had accepted our invitation

tend too agree that Tomlinson was wanting something more substantial last year, and to come over for a train on spot and rookie contract doesn't seem to fit.
Also Brock and Van Es don't seem to be knocking their opportunity out of the park?
Might have 2 open list spots with Sheed being out for the season.
Wonder what WC have cooking up with both of those spots, MSD might be 1 spot for a KDEF option that shows up between now and then or another MA player in the 22-26yo bracket that can fill Sheed's spot?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

sounds like Keys has the heads up!
Wonder what Phil is in Melbourne for?
Sounding out another prospect?

Try outs for the new series of Whore Island I believe, although this may well be an alternative fact.

 

[Elite Pete]

Harley won’t sign pre-bye as his wage is not changing this year.

The longer Reid waits, the higher the probability that he gets or continues to get god father offers which allows him more leverage whilst negotiating with us.

It would be financially irresponsible of his manager to allow him to sign a contract during this season. Yes he could get injured, but the calculated risk is to at least wait till this season is finished.

If he wished to sign right now his offer would be pretty much what he wants now. From us or any Vic team.

 

[Underdog]

I'm not interested in the slightest for Tomlinson. If we struggle with depth, so be it. We are a redeveloping side and we don't need a mediocre 31 year old taking a list spot or opportunities. If it gets to the point where we have to make Hough play tall, just do that. He'll still get something out of it.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Try outs for the new series of Whore Island I believe, although this may well be an alternative fact.

Don’t be put off though, it’s just a name.

It’s not really an island, it’s actually a peninsula.

 

[Altum Volantes]

I'm not interested in the slightest for Tomlinson. If we struggle with depth, so be it. We are a redeveloping side and we don't need a mediocre 31 year old taking a list spot or opportunities. If it gets to the point where we have to make Hough play tall, just do that. He'll still get something out of it.

I’m on the opposite side - I can’t see how having a mature age insurance policy on the list is a bad thing - if Gov goes down, which he will at some point by the very nature of how he plays then we have absolutely no experienced tall defenders - mediocre or otherwise. Our midfield just isn’t good enough to stem the tide in that case and heavy defeats aren’t going to help this side at all.

 

[TheBudgies]

I’m on the opposite side - I can’t see how having a mature age insurance policy on the list is a bad thing - if Gov goes down, which he will at some point by the very nature of how he plays then we have absolutely no experienced tall defenders - mediocre or otherwise. Our midfield just isn’t good enough to stem the tide in that case and heavy defeats aren’t going to help this side at all.

I'm not opposed to this line of thinking really. If it's a case of having him as an insurance role to cover for Gov that's fine. He shouldn't play with Gov though assuming we have any fit young blokes. Even Reid or Shanahan. Or Oscar in a pinch if we feel we need to stabilise the backline but Waterman is kicking bags.

 

[navi_]

I'm not interested in the slightest for Tomlinson. If we struggle with depth, so be it. We are a redeveloping side and we don't need a mediocre 31 year old taking a list spot or opportunities. If it gets to the point where we have to make Hough play tall, just do that. He'll still get something out of it.

Give me Tomlinson over Jamieson any day

 

[Kegs15]

I'm in the no camp in Tomlinson - and to be honest I think it's position-related and that we're in a development year.

KPD is often the position where you actually discover something about your system if you're forced to get creative. As horrible as the Mackenzie/Brown double injury was it pretty much setup our premiership KPDs in Gov and Barrass, neither of whom was proven at all in that position (nor even definitely KPDs at that stage), as well as a decent chunk of our gamestyle.

KPF is the opposite IMO where if we were dire down there I would be keen on a Tomlinson level and age of player just to straighten us up and help the development of the ground level players around them.

However backlines tend to pool together in adversity should injury strike IMO. With key backs, we have all these untried, uncertain options that may or may not surprise us. Sure, if the question was as simple as Tomlinson vs Jamieson in a contending year, it'd be Tomlinson as a no-brainer. But honestly think there's more to lose this year by not letting ourselves discover which of Bazzo, Barnett, Jamieson, Maric kind of (though I hope we keep him loose), Shanahan and even HEdwards really have that potential to step up and be surprisingly good. For me, that experiment is worth the gamble if the bet cost is the slight performance drop between Tomlinson and whoever would be the best out of that lot.

Definitely in favour of signing a key defender as one of the final spots, sure, but if Brock or Van Es haven't impressed enough would rather go one of those state leaguer standouts others have mentioned earlier in the thread, again cause we may still unearth something there but maybe they'd have a maturer body than others in case we really get screwed with injuries.

Taking Tomlinson would feel like a St Kilda/Essendon type move of just turning mediocrity into slightly less mediocrity rather than mediocrity into maybe something good. We have a leader in Gov to handle any off-field balance even if he is injured also. Let's back ourselves in to get creative if we have to, we might end up with a surprise talent on our hands.

 

[stallon]

Tomlinson would be a fine get.
We are super inexperienced in the backline, particularly for talls.
It's not unlikely that we will be in a scenario that we have Barnett, Shanahan and our SSP KPDs as the only fit KPDs on the list.

 

[stallon]

Taking Tomlinson would feel like a St Kilda/Essendon type move of just turning mediocrity into slightly less mediocrity rather than mediocrity into maybe something good.

Strong disagree with this.
The idea is he is last resort experienced depth, not a mediocre player coming into our best 22

 

[Kegs15]

Strong disagree with this.
The idea is he is last resort experienced depth, not a mediocre player coming into our best 22

I'd argue it's the type of position where I'd rather a last resort be someone more untried than someone tried and mediocre. Again on the Gov and Barrass year of emergence, if we'd had a 31 year old KPD we'd select ahead of them, they may not have developed into the players they are.

I just think if we want last resort depth (which I think we agree anyone taking this list spot this late likely would be), I'd like it to be someone with any level of potential to take a step up into actually being good, given we probably need to unearth a couple of good KPDs going forward in the long run. If it's a 24 year old VFL player who might be 10% less good than Tomlinson in 2025 but might have potential to actually step up on the list in future, I'm ok with that loss.

It's a development year, let's turn emergencies (like lots of our taller backs being injured which could happen) into chances for development. I truly don't think that scenario would hurt the development of players around them in the backline that much, and could give us something unexpected and positive

 

[WCErevival]

I'm in the no camp in Tomlinson - and to be honest I think it's position-related and that we're in a development year.

KPD is often the position where you actually discover something about your system if you're forced to get creative. As horrible as the Mackenzie/Brown double injury was it pretty much setup our premiership KPDs in Gov and Barrass, neither of whom was proven at all in that position (nor even definitely KPDs at that stage), as well as a decent chunk of our gamestyle.

KPF is the opposite IMO where if we were dire down there I would be keen on a Tomlinson level and age of player just to straighten us up and help the development of the ground level players around them.

However backlines tend to pool together in adversity should injury strike IMO. With key backs, we have all these untried, uncertain options that may or may not surprise us. Sure, if the question was as simple as Tomlinson vs Jamieson in a contending year, it'd be Tomlinson as a no-brainer. But honestly think there's more to lose this year by not letting ourselves discover which of Bazzo, Barnett, Jamieson, Maric kind of (though I hope we keep him loose), Shanahan and even HEdwards really have that potential to step up and be surprisingly good. For me, that experiment is worth the gamble if the bet cost is the slight performance drop between Tomlinson and whoever would be the best out of that lot.

Definitely in favour of signing a key defender as one of the final spots, sure, but if Brock or Van Es haven't impressed enough would rather go one of those state leaguer standouts others have mentioned earlier in the thread, again cause we may still unearth something there but maybe they'd have a maturer body than others in case we really get screwed with injuries.

Taking Tomlinson would feel like a St Kilda/Essendon type move of just turning mediocrity into slightly less mediocrity rather than mediocrity into maybe something good. We have a leader in Gov to handle any off-field balance even if he is injured also. Let's back ourselves in to get creative if we have to, we might end up with a surprise talent on our hands.

Barrass barely played in 2015. It was Schofield and Gov with Sheppard occasionally playing tall.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Tomlinson in would remind me a bit of Petrie, and that was an inspired move for us in the long run. Especially if he's interested in a post-playing gig.

I'm not opposed to it. Worst case scenario, he's a great general for the Beagles.

The main issue for me is we chose pretty ordinary train on options.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Barrass barely played in 2015. It was Schofield and Gov with Sheppard occasionally playing tall.

The birth of Sheptember

 

[Kegs15]

Barrass barely played in 2015. It was Schofield and Gov with Sheppard occasionally playing tall.

True in that year alone, but both Mackenzie and Brown were never the same after their injuries, which would have forced us to lock in our perceptions and projections of Gov and Barrass as our future - risky but it worked. And in that example Sheppard getting the opportunity to play tall helped him blossom in versatility (as Ambrose Burnside said the birth of Sheptember)! While we worked out what type of games we needed Schofield (I know he likes to talk about being dropped but I honestly liked having him in that role on the list, think we really worked out when he was beneficial and when we were too tall based on what we found his strengths and weaknesses were).

Tomlinson in would remind me a bit of Petrie, and that was an inspired move for us in the long run. Especially if he's interested in a post-playing gig.

I'm not opposed to it. Worst case scenario, he's a great general for the Beagles.

The main issue for me is we chose pretty ordinary train on options.

Fair point, I guess I sort of see Petrie as a champion of the game who made a massive impact both off-field and in that position that can mess around a younger players development if they're not suited (the dreaded Oscar Allen fwd/ruck sacrifice). At the time he was perfect for us in taking that next step. He felt a bit more deliberate with how we were aiming to educate our players. I haven't heard anything about Tomlinson's leadership or anything really in that regard, and we've already invested in leadership this off-season.


Won't rabbit on more than this cause am probably repeating myself, just reckon key back is that one position that fits the line in Ratatouille where "Not everyone can be a great key back, but a great key back can come from anywhere". Low draft picks, random players who are average for a bit then explode, mature age pickups, players who used to be forwards or who are seemingly a little too short, it's such a uniquely anything-may-work position that I'd like as many bites at the cherry as possible to find our next Gov, which we sorely need

 

[WCE777]

I'm in the no camp in Tomlinson - and to be honest I think it's position-related and that we're in a development year.

KPD is often the position where you actually discover something about your system if you're forced to get creative. As horrible as the Mackenzie/Brown double injury was it pretty much setup our premiership KPDs in Gov and Barrass, neither of whom was proven at all in that position (nor even definitely KPDs at that stage), as well as a decent chunk of our gamestyle.

KPF is the opposite IMO where if we were dire down there I would be keen on a Tomlinson level and age of player just to straighten us up and help the development of the ground level players around them.

However backlines tend to pool together in adversity should injury strike IMO. With key backs, we have all these untried, uncertain options that may or may not surprise us. Sure, if the question was as simple as Tomlinson vs Jamieson in a contending year, it'd be Tomlinson as a no-brainer. But honestly think there's more to lose this year by not letting ourselves discover which of Bazzo, Barnett, Jamieson, Maric kind of (though I hope we keep him loose), Shanahan and even HEdwards really have that potential to step up and be surprisingly good. For me, that experiment is worth the gamble if the bet cost is the slight performance drop between Tomlinson and whoever would be the best out of that lot.

Definitely in favour of signing a key defender as one of the final spots, sure, but if Brock or Van Es haven't impressed enough would rather go one of those state leaguer standouts others have mentioned earlier in the thread, again cause we may still unearth something there but maybe they'd have a maturer body than others in case we really get screwed with injuries.

Taking Tomlinson would feel like a St Kilda/Essendon type move of just turning mediocrity into slightly less mediocrity rather than mediocrity into maybe something good. We have a leader in Gov to handle any off-field balance even if he is injured also. Let's back ourselves in to get creative if we have to, we might end up with a surprise talent on our hands.

respect your opinion and the reasons why.
The only reason Tomlinson is being considered is the 2 train on SSP players Brock and Van Es aren't setting the world on fire and are unlikely to be offered a list spot.
Tomlinson is a break glass option if we have injuries to a couple of our 1st choice KDEF options, all the young players outside of Gov and H Edwards are very inexperienced and would find it difficult to compete with the KFWD as our 1st or 2nd option.
If the players like Maric, Barnett and co. develop faster than planned that's great but the club is clearly thinking that we are thin in KDEF stocks to handle the big jobs and Tomlinson is a cheap option to cover the worst case scenario.
As far as KDEF state league prospects there seems to be limited options, the club has been scouring that market since they decided to trade Barrass and come up empty.
It might be that the MSD is the next option for KDEF players to emerge as its definitely a list weakness, but in the interim there maybe a state league player that is in the 22-26yo range that can replace a list spot that Sheed will leave on the LTI.

 

[WCE777]

Tomlinson in would remind me a bit of Petrie, and that was an inspired move for us in the long run. Especially if he's interested in a post-playing gig.

I'm not opposed to it. Worst case scenario, he's a great general for the Beagles.

The main issue for me is we chose pretty ordinary train on options.

normal position we find ourselves in, all SSP players generally get signed where they are playing(state) or close by because short term rookie contracts generally can't entice decent players interstate to QLD or WA.

 

[Kegs15]

respect your opinion and the reasons why.
The only reason Tomlinson is being considered is the 2 train on SSP players Brock and Van Es aren't setting the world on fire and are unlikely to be offered a list spot.
Tomlinson is a break glass option if we have injuries to a couple of our 1st choice KDEF options, all the young players outside of Gov and H Edwards are very inexperienced and would find it difficult to compete with the KFWD as our 1st or 2nd option.
If the players like Maric, Barnett and co. develop faster than planned that's great but the club is clearly thinking that we are thin in KDEF stocks to handle the big jobs and Tomlinson is a cheap option to cover the worst case scenario.
As far as KDEF state league prospects there seems to be limited options, the club has been scouring that market since they decided to trade Barrass and come up empty.
It might be that the MSD is the next option for KDEF players to emerge as its definitely a list weakness, but in the interim there maybe a state league player that is in the 22-26yo range that can replace a list spot that Sheed will leave on the LTI.

Yeah good call and do get that. I'm also loath to limit ourselves too much in the MSD due to us likely having a strong position, would rather take best available like Maric or Hutchinson if a standout does arise to a level we judge above the best KPD. So if we took Tomlinson now to avoid that scenario I wouldn't be against it.

 

[stallon]

I'd argue it's the type of position where I'd rather a last resort be someone more untried than someone tried and mediocre. Again on the Gov and Barrass year of emergence, if we'd had a 31 year old KPD we'd select ahead of them, they may not have developed into the players they are.

I just think if we want last resort depth (which I think we agree anyone taking this list spot this late likely would be), I'd like it to be someone with any level of potential to take a step up into actually being good, given we probably need to unearth a couple of good KPDs going forward in the long run. If it's a 24 year old VFL player who might be 10% less good than Tomlinson in 2025 but might have potential to actually step up on the list in future, I'm ok with that loss.

It's a development year, let's turn emergencies (like lots of our taller backs being injured which could happen) into chances for development. I truly don't think that scenario would hurt the development of players around them in the backline that much, and could give us something unexpected and positive

I'm not suggesting Tomlinson is next up. I'm suggesting he's last resort, as in no Gov or Edwards and 1 of Barnett or Bazzo out too.
Basically playing so Shanahan doesn't have to play KPD in his 1st season.

 

[WCE777]

Yeah good call and do get that. I'm also loath to limit ourselves too much in the MSD due to us likely having a strong position, would rather take best available like Maric or Hutchinson if a standout does arise to a level we judge above the best KPD. So if we took Tomlinson now to avoid that scenario I wouldn't be against it.

The MSD I feel there might be a more likely chance a standout candidate in a KDEF position appears that wasn't drafted last year or is in a state league somewhere that fills our need, thinking of names like C Dennis, T Bell that were undrafted last year and would fill a list need if they have a decent start to the season.
Filling a list spot with Sheed on the LTI list would need to happen very soon before Feb 21, this is where a state league player might fit the bill imo, with some of the names already mentioned suitable candidates.

 

[Easternkingdom87]

With the depth of lasts years draft, there’s bound to be some good young guys killing it in state leagues in the first half of the year. If Brock or van es aren’t cutting it, then it might be not such a bad strategy to wait w [emoji638] spots for the msd, and see what kids emerge from a key back and outside mid perspective. I wouldnt mind that, especially compared with bringing in more [emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]]+ options at this stage.


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