List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Dom sheed pocket]

So When Shuey was captain I was pretty hard on him and had called him the worst captain we have probably had to date.

I think I might need to take that mantle off Boots and give it to OA.

&^#% Me, We just lost our third match for the year in a row, Lost a Derby in poor fashion.
He didn't do any media and then sneaks off to have meetings with an oppo coach?
From a player pov what a shit thing to do, you're 3 games in to a new gameplan and coach and are preaching buy in to the kids at the club while racing for the exit.

He was supposed to do the Coast to Coast pody but bailed on it, wonder if he had "prior commitments"

At least boots was 100% in, even on the pine he was all in and you could see it and hear it.
The leadership from both Duggen but especially OA has been well below what is required.

Give it to Ginbey and Hough, at least both those boys will go 110% and don't make excuses.

From a contract POV, He can go and get us Band 1.
Looks like Pyke finally has that stick out of the clubs ass and is looking at Priority picks as well.

For those that are in the "it's just a business" camp. I thought we were sick of the "the club is a business" stuff and wanted to get back to winning games and being a footy club again? It's all well and good to ensure you are looking after yourself and family but if you want success there sometimes is compromises made, players taking less to fit other players on the list purely for success. that kind of stuff. Gov taking less, Hurn taking less to ensure they could retain talent. If players only look after themselves then you just end up at Carlton, get paid well but be garbage for an eternity.

What about Murray Rance?

 

[Spod]

Still firmly in the "it's sloppy, disappointing and very poor timing as an out of form captain" camp but have also been wondering if maybe part of it is that he/the club are trying to get this resolved one way or the other ASAP and the club has given some degree of blessing to check out his options. Certainly doesn't excuse the way it was done in a way that quickly became public and without the club's knowledge but would make it make a bit more sense as to why he didn't just wait until Gather Round or the next time he's in Melbourne.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If we get Band 1 (Pick 2 or 3) for Oscar it will make up for drafting Brander.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I'm wondering if that talk is just to make sure the AFL hand out band 1 compo if Allen leaves, and there's always the chance that a priority pick might be end of first round, or mid draft after the non finalists picks. Or the AFL end up handing out list concessions, such as they did first time around with North & Gold Coast.

You seem to have this idea that band 1 compo is borderline and might need some massaging. Personally I think you're insane, and slightly offensive coming in here saying out captain isn't worth band 1 compo (I'm allowed to shit on him, he's my captain). But putting that aside for a second....

I think the optics around West Coast are shocking at the moment. We have our captain leaving, an unsettled number 1 pick, who may leave (after JHF saga and Tom Boyd saga), have an expansion team on the horizon, and while our brand is in the gutter right now, West Coast is still one of the big (and important) clubs because it is the AFL's money maker.

I'm not being one eyed when I say that West Coast almost single-handedly under-writes the cost of football in the state with the royalties it pays to WAFC and the user agreement with Optus Stadium where WAFC gets a cut of the stadium revenue.

AFL would be very worried about a basket case west coast (long term). In fact, there were rumours here that AFL had a meeting in WA around one of the derbies (might be 2023) and AFL pressed the case that they were very worried.

Pyke coming out today saying we'll see it priming the pump getting ready for PP talks IF our season goes badly.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

I guess when Sheppard said there was more rot to shed, he was referring to Oscar being one of them.

He's just turned up on the club's doorsteps and laid a dump and stuck the finger at us all.

His position has become untenable.

 

[briztoon]

Tom Morris, who seems to have gotten some good mail on West Coast (a rarity for non-WA journos) said tonight that WC have upped the deal from 3-4 years, recently.

The number being thrown around is 1 million season, but that feels more conjectural. It's pretty well established that Waterman is now on close to a million per year, so it's fair to say that would be around the mark for Oscar.

The issue separating the parties is, and always has been length of the deal, not the money.

This is the part I am struggling with. WC reportedly upped their offer to 6 years a week or more ago now. If the money component from WC is not an issue, then Allen should have agreed to an extension by now.

While Brisbane has become successful at recruiting players, that's always been because they've become savvy operators and understand what it takes to get deals done (see Daniher).

In 2018 you offfered Lachie 900Kx6 years, front loaded which was more than anyone else on your list at the time, and would have been in the top 10-20 in the comp. There was only a small handful of million dollar players back then.

The bit about only Hawthorn and Brisbane being in the race, was around Oscar preferred destination, not an indication of clubs who have an interest in Oscar. There are four clubs who are reportedly chasing Oscar: Hawthorn, Brisbane, Melbourne and Collingwood. Oscar is said to be leaning heavily between a choice between Hawthorn and Brisbane.

That's a competitive market, where the price of admission is to have a compelling offer in front of Oscar. I can't see Colin Young let†ing clubs pitch to Oscar without first having a clear understanding of what it would take to get him. I begrudgingly respect Colin Young, and he knows that a contract for Oscar that triggers anything but band 1 is a poor reflection on Oscar, and him.

Let's be very clear. Brisbane has been chasing Oscar since Daniher nearly retired in 2023, when Oscar kicked 53 goals as a lone forward in one of the worst teams in history. You don't turn Oscars head for Band 2, and you don't put in two years worth of work into a recruiting target and risk it all by being stingy when the rubber hits the road.

I know everyone wants to think that players are willing to come to their club to play for less, but I'd be very surprised if there was a significant difference in offers between Hawthorn and Brisbane.

I think everyone in the industry can read between the lines and understands the assignment here: Offer a deal for Oscar that triggers band 1 compo and you can have him for free.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I want Oscar to leave, and my preference is for him to join Brisbane, lucky for me (and you) Brisbane's list management team seem to have a firmer grasp of reality and likely have a deal that triggers band 1 compo.

As I mentioned a day or two ago, there are rumours that our interest in Allen has cooled.

 

[Del125763]

You seem to have this idea that band 1 compo is borderline and might need some massaging. Personally I think you're insane, and slightly offensive coming in here saying out captain isn't worth band 1 compo (I'm allowed to shit on him, he's my captain). But putting that aside for a second....

I think the optics around West Coast are shocking at the moment. We have our captain leaving, an unsettled number 1 pick, who may leave (after JHF saga and Tom Boyd saga), have an expansion team on the horizon, and while our brand is in the gutter right now, West Coast is still one of the big (and important) clubs because it is the AFL's money maker.

I'm not being one eyed when I say that West Coast almost single-handedly under-writes the cost of football in the state with the royalties it pays to WAFC and the user agreement with Optus Stadium where WAFC gets a cut of the stadium revenue.

AFL would be very worried about a basket case west coast (long term). In fact, there were rumours here that AFL had a meeting in WA around one of the derbies (might be 2023) and AFL pressed the case that they were very worried.

Pyke coming out today saying we'll see it priming the pump getting ready for PP talks IF our season goes badly.

A priority pick is a real thing for West Coast to get as well.

And I absolutely hate watching teams get priority picks/tanking but this team isn't going to be making the Finals this season. But if you have five picks (for trades with harley and Oscar) and a PP...........that then becomes 6 picks in top 25, with likely a number 1 and 2.

The AFL needs a healthy West Coast in the comp to be doing well. So yes, the alarming bells would be running in AFL house. I also heard Don Pyke discussing about it in media today, should it come down to assistance. Maybe Pyke is thinking one step ahead as well?

One of the Victorian media analysts I remember watching last year, said something along the lines of it would be embarrassing for a club of West Coast nature to be asking for priority pick assistance. But at the end of the day, you need to tinker with the system to beat the system.

 

[such is ben]

I guess when Sheppard said there was more rot to shed, he was referring to Oscar being one of them.

He's just turned up on the club's doorsteps and laid a dump and stuck the finger at us all.

His position has become untenable.

Sorry - can you please share more on what Shepard said?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

This is the part I am struggling with. WC reportedly upped their offer to 6 years a week or more ago now. If the money component from WC is not an issue, then Allen should have agreed to an extension by now.

As I mentioned a day or two ago, there are rumours that our interest in Allen has cooled.

Phil didn't give an indication of what the increased offer for Oscar was. He had previously said "I'd offer 4+2", not "WC have a 4+2 on the table".

It sounds like we had offered 3 years, now we're offering 4. Either we think Oscar is cooked, or we don't want him.

Maybe Brisbane has cooled on Oscar or they believe if Oscar goes to Hawthorn then they can get Lewis. Or maybe they have other plans. But if Brisbane's interest has cooled, no one has said that to Morris, or Ralphy or the myriad of journos covering this day and night.

 

[briztoon]

You seem to have this idea that band 1 compo is borderline and might need some massaging. Personally I think you're insane, and slightly offensive coming in here saying out captain isn't worth band 1 compo (I'm allowed to shit on him, he's my captain). But putting that aside for a second....

Yeah, I think you're massively misreading my posts on that point, and I'm not sure how you've come to that view.

I've always known that it would have to be a band 1 contract. That's never been a discussion point for me.

I haven't said anything about Oscar the person or player, here or on the Brisbane board. He's always been a player I liked, and it's well known on the Brisbane board that I wanted us to draft him in 2017. (When we drafted Starcevich in 2017, I dropped a comment or two on the Brisbane board that became a bit of a meme over there).

I think the optics around West Coast are shocking at the moment. We have our captain leaving, an unsettled number 1 pick, who may leave (after JHF saga and Tom Boyd saga), have an expansion team on the horizon, and while our brand is in the gutter right now, West Coast is still one of the big (and important) clubs because it is the AFL's money maker.

I'm not being one eyed when I say that West Coast almost single-handedly under-writes the cost of football in the state with the royalties it pays to WAFC and the user agreement with Optus Stadium where WAFC gets a cut of the stadium revenue.

AFL would be very worried about a basket case west coast (long term). In fact, there were rumours here that AFL had a meeting in WA around one of the derbies (might be 2023) and AFL pressed the case that they were very worried.

Pyke coming out today saying we'll see it priming the pump getting ready for PP talks IF our season goes badly.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Yeah, I think you're massively misreading my posts on that point, and I'm not sure how you've come to that view.

I've always known that it would have to be a band 1 contract. That's never been a discussion point for me.

I haven't said anything about Oscar the person or player, here or on the Brisbane board. He's always been a player I liked, and it's well known on the Brisbane board that I wanted us to draft him in 2017. (When we drafted Starcevich in 2017, I dropped a comment or two on the Brisbane board that became a bit of a meme over there).

I think you need to re-read your posts and check your tone, because I don't think it's just me that has gotten that impression, and taken umbrage at you for it.

 

[InTheWings]

This is the part I am struggling with. WC reportedly upped their offer to 6 years a week or more ago now. If the money component from WC is not an issue, then Allen should have agreed to an extension by now.

When you put it that way, maybe they have agreed, and Mitchell flew to Perth to try to make Oscar change his mind?

 

[Del125763]

Yeah, I think you're massively misreading my posts on that point, and I'm not sure how you've come to that view.

I've always known that it would have to be a band 1 contract. That's never been a discussion point for me.

I haven't said anything about Oscar the person or player, here or on the Brisbane board. He's always been a player I liked, and it's well known on the Brisbane board that I wanted us to draft him in 2017. (When we drafted Starcevich in 2017, I dropped a comment or two on the Brisbane board that became a bit of a meme over there).

Hmm I just had a look at the 2017 Draft again, it did seem West Coast got a bit of a steal getting Oscar at pick 21 at the time. But maybe some will call it an underacheivement?

Interested to see what if we did a review of that draft Top 26 right now considering Eagles had picks : 13, 21 and 26 in that draft. Would this be fair in terms of rank?
1. Andy Brayshaw
2. Xerri
3. Dylan Moore
4. Sam Taylor
5. Darcy Fogarty
6. Rayner
7. Tom de Koning
8. Tim Kelly
9. Gryan Miers
10. LDU
11. Aaron Naughton
12. Cerra
13. Jack Higgins
14. Noah Balta
15. James Worpel
16. Ed Richards
17. Bayley Fritsch
18. Brent Daniels
19. Tom McCartin
20. Liam Ryan
21. Hunter Clark
22.Kane Farrell
23. Oscar Allen
24. Wil Powell
25. Charlie Ballard
26. Charlie Spargo


Eagles got: Brander (13), Oscar Allen (21) and Liam Ryan (26).

Hindsight is great but Eagles could have got local Sam Taylor, Dylan Moore, Xerri , Tom de Koning . TdK is having a great year but the others above him have performed on the big stage on a more consistent basis since drafted. TdK could easily be the top of that crop though by end of his career. Tim Kelly also another one that wasn't picked up locally at the time but eventually ended up at the Eagles but at a significant cost at the draft hand.

Id say they slightly underachieved with that draft haul. What do we think? Reassessing that draft, that now looks like a pretty decent draft with Id say the top 15 players being match winners on a regular basis.

 

[briztoon]

Phil didn't give an indication of what the increased offer for Oscar was. He had previously said "I'd offer 4+2", not "WC have a 4+2 on the table".

It sounds like we had offered 3 years, now we're offering 4. Either we think Oscar is cooked, or we don't want him.

Maybe Brisbane has cooled on Oscar or they believe if Oscar goes to Hawthorn then they can get Lewis. Or maybe they have other plans. But if Brisbane's interest has cooled, no one has said that to Morris, or Ralphy or the myriad of journos covering this day and night.

WCE_phil said that West Coast have upped their offer to a straight 6 year deal in Post 4456. Sorry using my wife's laptop and mouse and no idea how to c&p with it.

Not a fan of Lewis, or more to the point his injury history.

 

[briztoon]

Hmm I just had a look at the 2017 Draft again, it did seem West Coast got a bit of a steal getting Oscar at pick 21 at the time. But maybe some will call it an underacheivement?

Interested to see what if we did a review of that draft Top 26 right now considering Eagles had picks : 13, 21 and 26 in that draft. Would this be fair in terms of rank?
1. Andy Brayshaw
2. Xerri
3. Dylan Moore
4. Sam Taylor
5. Darcy Fogarty
6. Rayner
7. Tom de Koning
8. Tim Kelly
9. Gryan Miers
10. LDU
11. Aaron Naughton
12. Cerra
13. Jack Higgins
14. Noah Balta
15. James Worpel
16. Ed Richards
17. Bayley Fritsch
18. Brent Daniels
19. Tom McCartin
20. Liam Ryan
21. Hunter Clark
22.Kane Farrell
23. Oscar Allen
24. Wil Powell
25. Charlie Ballard
26. Charlie Spargo


Eagles got: Brander (13), Oscar Allen (21) and Liam Ryan (26).

Hindsight is great but Eagles could have got local Sam Taylor, Dylan Moore, Xerri , Tom de Koning . TdK is having a great year but the others above him have performed on the big stage on a more consistent basis since drafted. TdK could easily be the top of that crop though by end of his career.

Id say they slightly underachieved with that draft haul. What do we think? Reassessing that draft, that now looks like a pretty decent draft with Id say the top 15 players being match winners on a regular basis.

Reranking drafts is not my thing, sorry.

 

[Del125763]

Reranking drafts is not my thing, sorry.

Starting to think Oscar Allen wouldn't get 2 first rounders which was what I proposed before. I didnt really know of Oscars drafting history prior to today.

But Id struggle to make a case he has had better career than the players listed above him. It might be a good thing for him to be released given his salary demands, commitment to the club, and his attitude towards the club. It would free up a significant of the salary and enable them to reward/attract players to move to West Coast. A player like him my estimate would be demanding at least $800k a year. Reports are Brisbane were willing to offer a $1 million. He isn't play anywhere worth that potential at the moment (in relative AFL terms )

 

[briztoon]

I think you need to re-read your posts and check your tone, because I don't think it's just me that has gotten that impression, and taken umbrage at you for it.

I really try and keep my tone neutral.

Again, always understood it has to be a band 1 offer. That's never been an issue for me.

I usually read every post twice, before I hit the reply button, and I'm struggling to see what you've taken umbrage at in previous posts.

 

[briztoon]

Starting to think Oscar Allen wouldn't get 2 first rounders which was what I proposed before. I didnt really know of Oscars drafting history prior to today.

But Id struggle to make a case he has had better career than the players listed above him. It might be a good thing for him to be released given his salary demands, commitment to the club, and his attitude towards the club. It would free up a significant of the salary and enable them to reward/attract players to move to West Coast.

Allen is a restricted free agent, there's no trade required as West Coast would get band 1 compensation if he left.

 

[Del125763]

Allen is a restricted free agent, there's no trade required as West Coast would get band 1 compensation if he left.

If I stand to be corrected, if West Coast finished last, they would get pick 1 and if O Allen decided to leave as a free agent, would get pick 2 as a result as well?

From the AFL website , when mentioning Restricted Free Agency Compensation:

"

What is Free Agency compensation?​

• The AFL will allocate draft picks to clubs with a net loss of free agents over one Trade Period, using a formula it has devised.
• The formula produces a points rating for players based on: the new contract of the free agent and the age of the free agent. Draft picks will be allocated in one of five places – first round (immediately following that club's current selection), end of first round, second round, end of second round, or third round."

If I stand to be corrected, if Allen walked, Eagles would get pick 19 and pick 20, if they finished last ?

Or am I reading it as Pick 1 and Pick 2?

 

[bzparkes]

If I stand to be corrected, if West Coast finished last, they would get pick 1 and if O Allen decided to leave as a free agent, would get pick 2 as a result as well?

From the AFL website , when mentioning Restricted Free Agency Compensation:

"

What is Free Agency compensation?​

• The AFL will allocate draft picks to clubs with a net loss of free agents over one Trade Period, using a formula it has devised.
• The formula produces a points rating for players based on: the new contract of the free agent and the age of the free agent. Draft picks will be allocated in one of five places – first round (immediately following that club's current selection), end of first round, second round, end of second round, or third round."

If I stand to be corrected, if Allen walked, Eagles would get pick 19 and pick 20, if they finished last ?

Or am I reading it as Pick 1 and Pick 2?

If we finished last, we'd get pick 2.

 

[Matera92]

I'm pretty meh on if he stays or goes.

However the embarrassment of how hes let this play out is what has me pissed off as a fan, club is absolutely struggling right now and he pulls a stunt like this.

He can **** right off and hopefully doesn't play another 100 games wherever he ends up, flog.

 

[briztoon]

If I stand to be corrected, if West Coast finished last, they would get pick 1 and if O Allen decided to leave as a free agent, would get pick 2 as a result as well?

From the AFL website , when mentioning Restricted Free Agency Compensation:

"

What is Free Agency compensation?​

• The AFL will allocate draft picks to clubs with a net loss of free agents over one Trade Period, using a formula it has devised.
• The formula produces a points rating for players based on: the new contract of the free agent and the age of the free agent. Draft picks will be allocated in one of five places – first round (immediately following that club's current selection), end of first round, second round, end of second round, or third round."

If I stand to be corrected, if Allen walked, Eagles would get pick 19 and pick 20, if they finished last ?

Or am I reading it as Pick 1 and Pick 2?

If we finished last, we'd get pick 2.

What bzparkes said.

If West Coast finish last, they would have pick 1, and receive pick 2 as a compensation pick.

 

[Patron]

If I stand to be corrected, if West Coast finished last, they would get pick 1 and if O Allen decided to leave as a free agent, would get pick 2 as a result as well?

From the AFL website , when mentioning Restricted Free Agency Compensation:

"

What is Free Agency compensation?​

• The AFL will allocate draft picks to clubs with a net loss of free agents over one Trade Period, using a formula it has devised.
• The formula produces a points rating for players based on: the new contract of the free agent and the age of the free agent. Draft picks will be allocated in one of five places – first round (immediately following that club's current selection), end of first round, second round, end of second round, or third round."

If I stand to be corrected, if Allen walked, Eagles would get pick 19 and pick 20, if they finished last ?

Or am I reading it as Pick 1 and Pick 2?

Pick 1 and 2.
We would have pick 1 for finishing last and then be awarded a Band 1 (first round) compo pick that would come immediately after our first pick, meaning we get pick 2 as compensation - with whoever finished 17th ending up with pick 3 and so on.

 

[Del125763]

What bzparkes said.

If West Coast finish last, they would have pick 1, and receive pick 2 as a compensation pick.

That is a heavy compensation for West Coast.

I do realise two teams exercised their rights to the Restricted Free Agency last season.

Bit surprised why more teams in the past haven't exercised it in the past?

Last year when Perryman left GWS:

GWS Had picks 18 and 19


When Josh Battle left the Saints:

Saints had picks 8 and 10 (Pick 9 was a matched bid by Gold Coast for a local product)

If Eagles get picks 1 and 2, doubt AFL would give priority assistance.

 

[briztoon]

That is a heavy compensation for West Coast.

I do realise two teams exercised their rights to the Restricted Free Agency last season.

Bit surprised why more teams in the past haven't exercised it in the past?

Last year when Perryman left GWS:

GWS Had picks 18 and 19


When Josh Battle left the Saints:

Saints had picks 8 and 10 (Pick 9 was a matched bid by Gold Coast for a local product)

If Eagles get picks 1 and 2, doubt AFL would give priority assistance.

Most teams don't want to lose players that are worth a band 1 compensation pick.

It's "great" if you're down the bottom of the ladder and getting a very high pick in return. Not so great if you're a team in the top 8.