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List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
  • Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
  • Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
  • Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
  • (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order
 

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Hasn’t had a decent run at it. Played on the gimp wing. Went as a late first rounder for a reason as opposed to pick #78.

He should get another opportunity before others as there’s plenty to cull. Would like to see a full season with him under Mini.

Josh Sinn has only really cracked into the port line up this year and was who Port took in the pick swap with West Coast

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I think people need to temper expectations on the caliber of player we’re likely to be able to attract to the club. More than likely we’ll finish last with maybe only 2 or 3 wins to our name so we aren’t screaming destination club right now

Over the last four years (2021 onwards) these are the players we’ve been able to recruit:

• Sam Petrevski-Seton - wanted to come home and was traded for pick 52 in 2021. Delisted in 2023
• Jayden Hunt - signed as a FA in 2022 seeking more game time and a better contract than Melbourne were offering. Is out of contract this year and may or may not be renewed
• Matt Flynn - signed as a FA in 2023 seeking more game time and a better contract than GWS were offering. A 50/50 chance to be offered a contract at the end of next year when this deal expires
• Tyler Brockman - wanted to come home and was traded for picks 44 and 63 in 2023. Contract expires next year
• Jack Graham - signed as a FA in 2024 despite Richmond offering a similar 4 year deal and Jack having no ties to WA
• Liam Baker - wanted to come home and was controversially traded for pick 14 in 2024 on a 5 year deal
• Matt Owies - steak knives in the pick 3 trade last year for a better contract than Carlton were willing or able to offer

In that same time frame, we’ve unsuccessfully pursued-
• Tim English (FA)
• Chad Warner
• Deven Robertson
• Lloyd Meek
• Nick Bryan
• Jordan Sweet
• James Peatling

There’s probably more but those are the ones I can think of

The only real player of genuine quality we’ve secured was Liam Baker - a WCE supporter growing up who wanted to come home and only committed when his former assistant coach was appointed as senior coach. He cost us a lucrative 5 year deal and pick 14

Other than that it’s been a couple of low profile players returning to WA and some free agents plus Owies (admittedly with no WA connections) who were offered better contracts to cross over to WA. With the exception of Graham, their former clubs weren’t devastated at their departure

We’re a hard sell at the moment so our best chance is attracting fringe players wanting more opportunity- the type of players that can help fill a role/carry the load for 2-3 years whilst our youngsters develop. They’ll help lift our floor but do little to raise our ceiling

The big names likely choose somewhere else - and would demand trade capital we’re arguably better taking to the draft
On your first list, I still don’t understand why Petrevski-Seton was delisted. To my mind, a player of some talent who hadn’t and now won’t realise his talent. The only thing I can think of is that he didn’t get on with some of the coaches, or they didn’t like his extravagant hair style, or he was offered a low ball contract. He certainly had more ability than some of those who were kept ahead of him. A mystery to which I would be interested to know the backstory.
 
Ok this is probably the trauma of the last 4 years talking (and just cleaning up after a late night spew from our baby perhaps?) but I need to vocalise this in the hope that it doesn’t happen…

It’s only Round 10.

There is still 5 months left until the FA/Trade period.

There is too much time for something to change, something to ‘go wrong’.

The Vic media has finally realised that Oscar could net us a Pick 1-2 combo and don’t like the thought of that. They will work to change the narrative around Oscar because ‘injury plagued player gets Non-Vic club great compo pick’ is NOT cool.

The club has very rarely made a good decision over the last few years.
They gave Elliot Yeo, a walking injury, a 3 Year Contract.
They could see retaining Oscar as a ‘win’ due to his inflated status within the club.

There is a strong chance that Oscar’s free-falling ‘value’ could see prospective deals cool and his view on the situation change.

In short, there is just too much time for this to go wrong and the club to do something stupid that is not at all within the best interest of ‘the future’.

Therefore….Oscar stays on a 5 Year deal.

God.

It’s going to happen isn’t it?

I need to mentally prepare for that. 🤮

Ok late night/early morning rant over. Bed wetting barely avoided.

For the love of god, please don’t **** this up Pyke/Clarke/Woosha/Oscar/League/Brisbane.
 
On your first list, I still don’t understand why Petrevski-Seton was delisted. To my mind, a player of some talent who hadn’t and now won’t realise his talent. The only thing I can think of is that he didn’t get on with some of the coaches, or they didn’t like his extravagant hair style, or he was offered a low ball contract. He certainly had more ability than some of those who were kept ahead of him. A mystery to which I would be interested to know the backstory.
The fact he hasn’t any good across two teams was probably the deciding factor.
 

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Barnett at a minimum to the rookie list. But we should prob cut ties if were being real. Just eat the dead cap.

Sheed and Cripps have to be told to retire.

Petch and jamo we must move on from.

Rawlinson, coen prob gone.

Allen looks likely to leave.

That's already 8 spots. But won't be mad if we move on from cole also.
We will probably draft a minimum of 6 this year plus take a MSD pick this year, leaves one spot for a trade in.

I think we have to get to 9 minimum delisting/trade outs this off-season which will create 6 draft spots, 1 MSD pick, 2 trade ins.
 
Ok this is probably the trauma of the last 4 years talking (and just cleaning up after a late night spew from our baby perhaps?) but I need to vocalise this in the hope that it doesn’t happen…

It’s only Round 10.

There is still 5 months left until the FA/Trade period.

There is too much time for something to change, something to ‘go wrong’.

The Vic media has finally realised that Oscar could net us a Pick 1-2 combo and don’t like the thought of that. They will work to change the narrative around Oscar because ‘injury plagued player gets Non-Vic club great compo pick’ is NOT cool.

The club has very rarely made a good decision over the last few years.
They gave Elliot Yeo, a walking injury, a 3 Year Contract.
They could see retaining Oscar as a ‘win’ due to his inflated status within the club.

There is a strong chance that Oscar’s free-falling ‘value’ could see prospective deals cool and his view on the situation change.

In short, there is just too much time for this to go wrong and the club to do something stupid that is not at all within the best interest of ‘the future’.

Therefore….Oscar stays on a 5 Year deal.

God.

It’s going to happen isn’t it?

I need to mentally prepare for that. 🤮

Ok late night/early morning rant over. Bed wetting barely avoided.

For the love of god, please don’t **** this up Pyke/Clarke/Woosha/Oscar/League/Brisbane.

Ignore the Vic media, an interested club(s) isn’t going to be influenced by what those clowns say. However…

West Coast have repeatedly said they want to retain Allen and are confident of doing so and

Allen has said he loves the club and wants to stay

In short, both he and the club want him to continue his career at West Coast. The stumbling block being that his value for West Coast is, for now, considerably less than what he feels he is worth/has been offered elsewhere. He’ll stay for less but not a lot less

He’s had a poor start to the year but he is a quality player who grew up supporting the club and was considered a future captain well before that eventuated. If he does stay it infers a stability at the club that wouldn’t be the case if the captain leaves a year after the vice captain did the same

As it stands at this stage of our list build, pick 2 (or possibly 3) is probably more beneficial to us long term than retaining Allen - but it wouldn’t be the worst thing if we do provided we don’t shift our contract offer too much
 
Ignore the Vic media, an interested club(s) isn’t going to be influenced by what those clowns say. However…

West Coast have repeatedly said they want to retain Allen and are confident of doing so and

Allen has said he loves the club and wants to stay

In short, both he and the club want him to continue his career at West Coast. The stumbling block being that his value for West Coast is, for now, considerably less than what he feels he is worth/has been offered elsewhere. He’ll stay for less but not a lot less

He’s had a poor start to the year but he is a quality player who grew up supporting the club and was considered a future captain well before that eventuated. If he does stay it infers a stability at the club that wouldn’t be the case if the captain leaves a year after the vice captain did the same

As it stands at this stage of our list build, pick 2 (or possibly 3) is probably more beneficial to us long term than retaining Allen - but it wouldn’t be the worst thing if we do provided we don’t shift our contract offer too much
totally this
 
Ok this is probably the trauma of the last 4 years talking (and just cleaning up after a late night spew from our baby perhaps?) but I need to vocalise this in the hope that it doesn’t happen…

It’s only Round 10.

There is still 5 months left until the FA/Trade period.

There is too much time for something to change, something to ‘go wrong’.

The Vic media has finally realised that Oscar could net us a Pick 1-2 combo and don’t like the thought of that. They will work to change the narrative around Oscar because ‘injury plagued player gets Non-Vic club great compo pick’ is NOT cool.

The club has very rarely made a good decision over the last few years.
They gave Elliot Yeo, a walking injury, a 3 Year Contract.
They could see retaining Oscar as a ‘win’ due to his inflated status within the club.

There is a strong chance that Oscar’s free-falling ‘value’ could see prospective deals cool and his view on the situation change.

In short, there is just too much time for this to go wrong and the club to do something stupid that is not at all within the best interest of ‘the future’.

Therefore….Oscar stays on a 5 Year deal.

God.

It’s going to happen isn’t it?

I need to mentally prepare for that. 🤮

Ok late night/early morning rant over. Bed wetting barely avoided.

For the love of god, please don’t **** this up Pyke/Clarke/Woosha/Oscar/League/Brisbane.
I'd be more worried if Allan was just playing FF each and every week.

The fact is that the coach has decided he's not in our forward plans, and is playing Waterman and kids up forward. Allen's been pushed back.

I think that shows how the clubs values him. If he comes good as a backmen and he doesn't get massive offers, then great. Lets do it. 3 years on a reasonable contract. If he gets the big offer that nets picks 2 then thanks, lets book you an uber to the airport.
 
Ignore the Vic media, an interested club(s) isn’t going to be influenced by what those clowns say. However…

West Coast have repeatedly said they want to retain Allen and are confident of doing so and

Allen has said he loves the club and wants to stay

In short, both he and the club want him to continue his career at West Coast. The stumbling block being that his value for West Coast is, for now, considerably less than what he feels he is worth/has been offered elsewhere. He’ll stay for less but not a lot less

He’s had a poor start to the year but he is a quality player who grew up supporting the club and was considered a future captain well before that eventuated. If he does stay it infers a stability at the club that wouldn’t be the case if the captain leaves a year after the vice captain did the same

As it stands at this stage of our list build, pick 2 (or possibly 3) is probably more beneficial to us long term than retaining Allen - but it wouldn’t be the worst thing if we do provided we don’t shift our contract offer too much

Don’t get me wrong - I see the benefit of retaining him in the sense that it is ‘good optics’ and shows a commitment from an existing player.

The Captaincy I think has been eliminated as an issue over the last month though.

He won’t be captain next year - if he was to stay he will step down, which would be smart to avoid being ‘dumped’. So we aren’t talking about the guy in the job beyond this season anyway.

He is captain right now in name only and nothing he has done or said since the Sam Mitchell story broke has suggested otherwise. He could have pledged his commitment to the club and shut a few people up in that weird press conference but he didn’t and the on field output has been alarming. His ability to impact games has completely abandoned him and while he is still a good player, he may have already played him best footy (briefly).

I think he stays because ultimately he doesn’t want to leave Perth and as a club we lack the guts to encourage his departure, for better or worse.

I have flip flopped on this but I am currently in the ‘Get him gone and get the pick’ camp.
 
Ok this is probably the trauma of the last 4 years talking (and just cleaning up after a late night spew from our baby perhaps?) but I need to vocalise this in the hope that it doesn’t happen…

It’s only Round 10.

There is still 5 months left until the FA/Trade period.

There is too much time for something to change, something to ‘go wrong’.

The Vic media has finally realised that Oscar could net us a Pick 1-2 combo and don’t like the thought of that. They will work to change the narrative around Oscar because ‘injury plagued player gets Non-Vic club great compo pick’ is NOT cool.

The club has very rarely made a good decision over the last few years.
They gave Elliot Yeo, a walking injury, a 3 Year Contract.
They could see retaining Oscar as a ‘win’ due to his inflated status within the club.

There is a strong chance that Oscar’s free-falling ‘value’ could see prospective deals cool and his view on the situation change.

In short, there is just too much time for this to go wrong and the club to do something stupid that is not at all within the best interest of ‘the future’.

Therefore….Oscar stays on a 5 Year deal.

God.

It’s going to happen isn’t it?

I need to mentally prepare for that. 🤮

Ok late night/early morning rant over. Bed wetting barely avoided.

For the love of god, please don’t **** this up Pyke/Clarke/Woosha/Oscar/League/Brisbane.

I've personally switched my gut feel from Oscars gone to Oscar probably stays. If mcQualter plays him the rest of the season in defence and he builds into it then I think it's fine. Feels like this might be Govs last year. Feels like we're going to turn this around in the back third of the season and start playing some decent footy. Feels like we've missed the boat in drafting the next KPP, and that's going to be a problem in a year or two. Feels like the price for Cody Curtin is going to be too much, and we really need to let him pass and take 2 mids with our first picks. Feels like if we get pick 2 for Allen that will be used to justify denying us any other form of draft assistance. Feels like there will be so much negative press around the deal, and so much pressure on Oscar to be a silver bullet at the next club, that his experiences earlier in the year will make him seriously question whether he wants to put himself through that kind of scrutiny again.
 

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I’m quite surprised some have felt Oscar has ever been more likely to leave than stay. Childhood supporter, home town and is the captain.

I can’t see any argument to retain him overcoming getting pick 2. Oscar staying may also mean we lose one of Shanahan and Archer through lack of opportunity.

The challenge for the club is going to be to try and respectfully massage him out the door with dignity. If we offer a contract that he ends up accepting when there is a band 1 offer from a rival club then it will be very poor list management on our part.
 
I've personally switched my gut feel from Oscars gone to Oscar probably stays. If mcQualter plays him the rest of the season in defence and he builds into it then I think it's fine. Feels like this might be Govs last year. Feels like we're going to turn this around in the back third of the season and start playing some decent footy. Feels like we've missed the boat in drafting the next KPP, and that's going to be a problem in a year or two. Feels like the price for Cody Curtin is going to be too much, and we really need to let him pass and take 2 mids with our first picks. Feels like if we get pick 2 for Allen that will be used to justify denying us any other form of draft assistance. Feels like there will be so much negative press around the deal, and so much pressure on Oscar to be a silver bullet at the next club, that his experiences earlier in the year will make him seriously question whether he wants to put himself through that kind of scrutiny again.
totally agree on Oscar.
We have plenty of KPP's, they are just mostly young. A Reid/Shanahan/JW/Brock.

If this is the scenario where Oscar stays and plays back, that is 1 part of the KPD that doesn't need immediately filling as Brock/A Reid are possible replacements after Gov finishes next year.

Brock looks every bit a decent CHB with his reading of the ball, elite kick and positioning, put some size on and another year and I see a decent player.

A Reid is an elite KP player in the making in another 3 years, it will either be as our next ruck or as a KPD.
His goal kicking is a problem and he is young and may correct but we have Waterman, JW is a FF with quality as he doesnt have the athletic traits yet to be a CHF.
Shanahan looks all quality in the forward line so the next KPF is already here.
100% agree with taking mids with our 2 first picks.
 
I’m quite surprised some have felt Oscar has ever been more likely to leave than stay. Childhood supporter, home town and is the captain.

I can’t see any argument to retain him overcoming getting pick 2. Oscar staying may also mean we lose one of Shanahan and Archer through lack of opportunity.

The challenge for the club is going to be to try and respectfully massage him out the door with dignity. If we offer a contract that he ends up accepting when there is a band 1 offer from a rival club then it will be very poor list management on our part.
You don't think playing his as a defender and not as a forward hasn't sent him a message he might be best looking elsewhere? Really don't see a world in which he stays now.
 
You don't think playing his as a defender and not as a forward hasn't sent him a message he might be best looking elsewhere? Really don't see a world in which he stays now.
I think Oscar playing defence is simply to get games into Archer and Jack Williams rather than pushing him out. I think they’d actually prefer play him as a KPF as I don’t think playing him in defence is increasing his value. In saying that a band 1 offer will come regardless of where he plays.
 
I don't think for one second the club want Oscar to stay. They are playing it perfectly, he has an offer that the club is happy enough with if he extends but also know he can get more elsewhere and it's almost an offer which is encouraging that.

Very aware of the bonus of receiving a top 5 pick.
 
I actually think McQualter is doing a good job with the cattle he has.
He started the year with Yeo and Kelly as mids and with help from Graham.
Yeo injured for half the year, Kelly falling to a shell of his former self and he is throwing all the magnets around to find a mix that works and finds the level of talent at his disposal.
We have been 2 goals away from 2 wins while doing this.

So all the list managers on here, how do we fix the midfield that will have a good Yeo for half the time and a Kelly that will be playing HFF until he finishes and only used in the midfield in break glass scenario.
Who are the players out there that will fix the midfield for the long term or even short term?
Who are the players that are gettable?
We need at least 1 in this trade period?
 

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totally agree on Oscar.
We have plenty of KPP's, they are just mostly young. A Reid/Shanahan/JW/Brock.

If this is the scenario where Oscar stays and plays back, that is 1 part of the KPD that doesn't need immediately filling as Brock/A Reid are possible replacements after Gov finishes next year.

Brock looks every bit a decent CHB with his reading of the ball, elite kick and positioning, put some size on and another year and I see a decent player.

A Reid is an elite KP player in the making in another 3 years, it will either be as our next ruck or as a KPD.
His goal kicking is a problem and he is young and may correct but we have Waterman, JW is a FF with quality as he doesnt have the athletic traits yet to be a CHF.
Shanahan looks all quality in the forward line so the next KPF is already here.
100% agree with taking mids with our 2 first picks.

I personally see A Reid as a forward, and don't think his kicking will be a massive issue. If you look at his shots over he last couple weeks, including the one that fell short against Richmond, he's straightened himself up considerably. He's a player with elite footy IQ and has proven himself to be someone who works extremely hard on the track to get the most out of himself. These are traits that would suggest that he can work on aspects of his game such as kicking and actually improve. Already happening. His ceiling is too high to play as a defender. It would be very interesting if he could become our #1 ruck.

Brock solidifying himself as an elite KPD would be great given his speed and foot skills. Harry Edwards I think is far better than people give him credit for though so I think we'll be ok if we do end up just relying on an Edwards/Brock combo. I need to see more from Oscar down there and of Bazzo at AFL level before I decide what the best mix would be. Brock is probably quick enough to do something crazy with like we looked at with early days Schofield and play on a wing or something, he might just never fill out so I'd keep an open mind.

A Reid staying up forward, Allen staying and making it as a KPD makes for interesting times for J Will until Waterman winds up. Especially is Bailey Williams improves on his recent 2 goal game as a forward. Who knows how it all goes but at the end of the day multiple players that segments of the board is convinced are AFL quality will be looking at WAFL level futures as depth. Fingers crossed we don't take any sort of tall other than maybe a ruck in the draft this year.
 
I think Oscar playing defence is simply to get games into Archer and Jack Williams rather than pushing him out. I think they’d actually prefer play him as a KPF as I don’t think playing him in defence is increasing his value. In saying that a band 1 offer will come regardless of where he plays.

The flaw in this argument of course being Bailey Williams was chosen ahead of Jack Williams this week, in a game Oscar didn't even play in.
 
I actually think McQualter is doing a good job with the cattle he has.
He started the year with Yeo and Kelly as mids and with help from Graham.
Yeo injured for half the year, Kelly falling to a shell of his former self and he is throwing all the magnets around to find a mix that works and finds the level of talent at his disposal.
We have been 2 goals away from 2 wins while doing this.

So all the list managers on here, how do we fix the midfield that will have a good Yeo for half the time and a Kelly that will be playing HFF until he finishes and only used in the midfield in break glass scenario.
Who are the players out there that will fix the midfield for the long term or even short term?
Who are the players that are gettable?
We need at least 1 in this trade period?

Ryan to the middle is the most obvious short term fix. He was incredible against Richmond and it's a move that should have been made weeks ago [if not years ago under Simmo].
 
I personally see A Reid as a forward, and don't think his kicking will be a massive issue. If you look at his shots over he last couple weeks, including the one that fell short against Richmond, he's straightened himself up considerably. He's a player with elite footy IQ and has proven himself to be someone who works extremely hard on the track to get the most out of himself. These are traits that would suggest that he can work on aspects of his game such as kicking and actually improve. Already happening. His ceiling is too high to play as a defender. It would be very interesting if he could become our #1 ruck.

Brock solidifying himself as an elite KPD would be great given his speed and foot skills. Harry Edwards I think is far better than people give him credit for though so I think we'll be ok if we do end up just relying on an Edwards/Brock combo. I need to see more from Oscar down there and of Bazzo at AFL level before I decide what the best mix would be. Brock is probably quick enough to do something crazy with like we looked at with early days Schofield and play on a wing or something, he might just never fill out so I'd keep an open mind.

A Reid staying up forward, Allen staying and making it as a KPD makes for interesting times for J Will until Waterman winds up. Especially is Bailey Williams improves on his recent 2 goal game as a forward. Who knows how it all goes but at the end of the day multiple players that segments of the board is convinced are AFL quality will be looking at WAFL level futures as depth. Fingers crossed we don't take any sort of tall other than maybe a ruck in the draft this year.
Look i like A Reid as much as the next bloke, but lets pump the breaks a little. For all he looks the part, this is his game log.

The positive is that he's only 19, but He's got a lot of development to go.

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I think there are some players that are clear and obvious delists: Jamieson, Rawlinson, Petruccelle and then after that you have two groups of players a) younger guys that through injury/form haven't developed into viable AFL level players as we'd like: Chesser, Bazzo (until 3 weeks ago), Livingstone, and then the second group which is older players who are B22 but probably between 16-23: Hunt, Sheed, Cole, and to a lesser extent Cripps and Kelly.

I'd much rather us cut deep into the 2nd group then the first.

Of all our senior players too many of them take up flanker/outside spots in our AFL team that we should be using to expose young guys to AFL level. Old flankers in a bad team is the quintessential list clogger.

Hunt, Sheed, Cole, Rawlinson, Jamison, Pettrucelle and Allen (Free Agency) would be a good list turnover for this year.

I'd propose the following:

Delist
Sheed (retired)
Jamieson
Petch
Rawlinson

Trade
Allen (FA)
Cole

1 year deals
Hunt
Kelly
Cripps
Livingstone
Brock
Champion

2 year deals
Hutchinson
Dewar

TBD (pending WAFL form)
Chesser
Bazzo

Clears 5 senior list spots, 1 rookie spot.

Hunt, Kelly, and Cripps on reduced salaries, clears cap space. We should use this to chase another FA signing (list here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1300294/2025-afl-restricted-and-unrestricted-free-agent-list)
 
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