List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[chaddy22]

Liam Duggan 4 years, Elliott Yeo 3
Years, Tim Kelly 2 years.

And you wonder why Oscar feels under valued and we’re at the bottom of the ****ing ladder.

Jesus!

Anybody defending Oscar on his current output needs a reality check.

 

[Trebor57]

Ok hear me out. I think I have the solution to a few of our list problems, and it's really quite genius in it's simplicity. We could;

Keep a senior midfielder on the list, solving our salary cap floor issue

Finally have that freakishly tall ruckman we've all been dreaming of

Make use of Matt Flynn
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Who's coming with me?

Trouble is, when they spread from the initial contest, the gig is up.

 

[chaddy22]

It will impact any compensation we get for Oscar though.

if Oscar stays it won't.
Counting our chickens before they hatch.

 

[eaglevision]

Makes no sense not to sign Cole for another 2-3 years he is a decent player, nobody has taken his spot consistently and other players like Grego aren't advanced enough to take his spot in the near future, maybe 2 years away imo.

B Allan probably has the potential to be the next player after Gross to emerge quicker into our team but they are still a couple of years away and even if Cole is in and out of our side in that time while we get games into them, he is more versatile and a better player than Petch imo.
We need depth and experience and he is it.

For small-medium defenders we have Baker, Hough, Allan, Ginbey, Grego, Duggan and Kenh coming onto the list next year. You could also arguably add Johnston, Chesser and even Dewar to that.

Getting pick 38 for Cole which we could package up and send to GCS or SYD for another 1R makes perfect sense when it’s an area we have enormous depth in. If we’re playing Cole ahead of any of the players mentioned above (Kenh obviously won’t be on the list yet) then something has gone wrong with their development if we’re really looking to get games into the kids.

I accept that he’s a decent player and the argument that he would be handy from a depth perspective but to say it makes no sense to support him exploring free agency is either hyperbole or unconsidered.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

For small-medium defenders we have Baker, Hough, Allan, Ginbey, Grego, Duggan and Kenh coming onto the list next year. You could also arguably add Johnston, Chesser and even Dewar to that.

Getting pick 38 for Cole which we could package up and send to GCS or SYD for another 1R makes perfect sense when it’s an area we have enormous depth in. If we’re playing Cole ahead of any of the players mentioned above (Kenh obviously won’t be on the list yet) then something has gone wrong with their development if we’re really looking to get games into the kids.

I accept that he’s a decent player and the argument that he would be handy from a depth perspective but to say it makes no sense to support him exploring free agency is either hyperbole or unconsidered.

I honestly cannot imagine a club offering a significant pick for Cole.
He'd probably only command a late pick, say a late 3rd or 4th rounder.
Petch would be a similar scenario at the trade table I'd imagine.
In general, supporters always seem to overvalue their own players and undervalue those from other clubs.

Edit: Nvm, they are both supposedly FA's, so it will depend on compo.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Trouble is, when they spread from the initial contest, the gig is up.

So, no different to now?

 

[Keys]

I honestly cannot imagine a club offering a significant pick for Cole.
He'd probably only command a late pick, say a late 3rd or 4th rounder.
Petch would be a similar scenario at the trade table I'd imagine.
In general, supporters always seem to overvalue their own players and undervalue those from other clubs.

Cole is a FA so no club needs to offer a pick for him. The only question is if he does get a contract offer elsewhere will that be sufficient to trigger any compensation

He probably needs someone to offer him $400k + for 3 years to maybe trigger band 5.

Not sure if anyone is doing that

 

[JackOutback]

Cole is a FA so no club needs to offer a pick for him. The only question is if he does get a contract offer elsewhere will that be sufficient to trigger any compensation

He probably needs someone to offer him $400k + for 3 years to maybe trigger band 5.

Not sure if anyone is doing that

$400k is probably minimum chips these days for anyone with a bit of experience, given recent rises in the salary cap.

 

[eaglevision]

I honestly cannot imagine a club offering a significant pick for Cole.
He'd probably only command a late pick, say a late 3rd or 4th rounder.
Petch would be a similar scenario at the trade table I'd imagine.
In general, supporters always seem to overvalue their own players and undervalue those from other clubs.

Both Cole and Petch are free agents so the only cost is salary. Can see Cole being of interest to Carlton to add speed and Cole for North if they miss out on Maynard.

I’m not aware of the specific salary/years thresholds for 26 and 28 year olds but I’d be surprised if it didn’t reach band 5 given their age.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Does WCE_Phil still comment in BigFooty at all? I have missed his insights of late. Is there nothing to report in trade/draft land?

He's busy protecting his overseas investments, but he could be reeled back in for one more year of analysis...albeit reluctantly.

 

[WCE777]

For small-medium defenders we have Baker, Hough, Allan, Ginbey, Grego, Duggan and Kenh coming onto the list next year. You could also arguably add Johnston, Chesser and even Dewar to that.

Getting pick 38 for Cole which we could package up and send to GCS or SYD for another 1R makes perfect sense when it’s an area we have enormous depth in. If we’re playing Cole ahead of any of the players mentioned above (Kenh obviously won’t be on the list yet) then something has gone wrong with their development if we’re really looking to get games into the kids.

I accept that he’s a decent player and the argument that he would be handy from a depth perspective but to say it makes no sense to support him exploring free agency is either hyperbole or unconsidered.

ok, I understand your logic.
If we could get pick 38 for Cole as a FA and Petch also that would be a decent return and would be happy with that, bundle them up for something better or add to a deal for a better pick would be a good play.
I guess if there is decent interest and WC are considering someone like Sellwood in the MSD and or keen on another pick in the KPD players available, Dennis, Bell, Strumpf that would make perfect sense.
In FA payment bands are clubs able to pay a small part of the leaving players salary to get desired Band 5?
Or is this dodgy?

 

[WCE777]

Cole is a FA so no club needs to offer a pick for him. The only question is if he does get a contract offer elsewhere will that be sufficient to trigger any compensation

He probably needs someone to offer him $400k + for 3 years to maybe trigger band 5.

Not sure if anyone is doing that

With FA, can the club pay a small part of the salary for the leaving player to trigger Band 5?
Or is this dodgy?

 

[eaglevision]

In FA payment bands are clubs able to pay a small part of the leaving players salary to get desired Band 5?
Or is this dodgy?

No. Then it wouldn’t be free agency.

 

[eaglevision]

keen on another pick in the KPD players available, Dennis, Bell, Strumpf

It’s well known I rate Dennis but also keep an eye on Stumpf. Quietly putting together a very solid season. Late birthday, just over a month away from qualifying for this year’s draft, was the fastest player at the national combine with a blistering 20m sprint at 196cm.

I see him as a KPD but also swung forward on the weekend and won the game for Northern Knights. He’ll nominate a 6 month contract and we’ve made far worse decisions than taking a punt on him when he can be replaced at the end of the year if we don’t like what we see.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Cole is a FA so no club needs to offer a pick for him. The only question is if he does get a contract offer elsewhere will that be sufficient to trigger any compensation

He probably needs someone to offer him $400k + for 3 years to maybe trigger band 5.

Not sure if anyone is doing that

I feel like a lot of the discourse in this thread is very detached from reality.

Can’t see any club wanting the off cuts from the 18th placed club.

The Cole equation is a simple question of whether to delist him or offer another contract.

If he leaves West Coast and ends up on another list next year it’s most likely through SSP/DFA.

 

[suntagonal]

With FA, can the club pay a small part of the salary for the leaving player to trigger Band 5?
Or is this dodgy?

Always wondered if you could game the system by trading a salary cap dump from the same team.

E.g., Team B pays Cole 600k/yr through FA - we get Band 4/5.

We trade in player X (for a pick in the 80s) from Team B (who they don't want) at say 400k/yr

Net - they only pay Cole 200k/yr, get rid of player X and we get band 4/5 Compo

 

[Chris_6678]

If Cole or Petch receive any FA offer that generates a compensation pick (Band 5 would currently be pick 38) we should be letting them take it. Cole’s game awareness in particular hasn’t been great this year but he’s still a premiership defender and played an important role that finals series. In different circumstances we’d probably match a band 5 offer for him but we are where we are.

Id say Hawks would be one team that looks at Cole.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I feel like a lot of the discourse in this thread is very detached from reality.

Can’t see any club wanting the off cuts from the 18th placed club.

The Cole equation is a simple question of whether to delist him or offer another contract.

If he leaves West Coast and ends up on another list next year it’s most likely through SSP/DFA.

Yep it'll be like the Graham situation from last year when we got him for free* from the 18th side

 

[eaglevision]

Id say Hawks would be one team that looks at Cole.

What makes you say that? I’d love it if they were. If Worpel re-signs they’ll definitely be after FAs again.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Yep it'll be like the Graham situation from last year when we got him for free* from the 18th side

Richmond were happy to keep Graham, and there was a market for his services, as we were interested along with clubs in SA.

There is no market for Tom Cole.

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

As I said, some in here are becoming more and more detached from reality.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Richmond were happy to keep Graham, and there was a market for his services, as we were interested along with clubs in SA.

There is no market for Tom Cole.

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

As I said, some in here are becoming more and more detached from reality.

Eh, I was agreeing with you. We got him for free and didn't have to give Richmond anything*

 

[eaglevision]

There is no market for Tom Cole.

You can’t possibly make that assumption. Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t. We don’t know what conversations are going on behind closed doors. Don’t recall our interest in Graham becoming public until later in the year.

He’s a premiership defender and still has years of footy. If we don’t need the list spot and there’s no FA compensation on offer for him I’d be more than happy to re-sign him on a 2 year contract.

 

[Scotland]

Id say Hawks would be one team that looks at Cole.

Why would they do that?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

You can’t possibly make that assumption. We don’t know what conversations are going on behind closed doors. Don’t recall our interest in Graham becoming public until later in the year.

He’s a premiership defender and still has years of footy. If we don’t need the list spot and there’s no FA compensation on offer for him I’d be more than happy to re-sign him on a 2 year contract.

What do you mean??? Cole had been dropped from the starting 22 twice in the last month.

This is not a case where we have a valuable player in a poor team, we are talking about a fringe player in the worst team.

I don’t need to know who’s on oppo white boards to understand that Cole is not a sought after player.

 

[bzparkes]

What do you mean??? Cole had been dropped from the starting 22 twice in the last month.

This is not a case where we have a valuable player in a poor team, we are talking about a fringe player in the worst team.

I don’t need to know who’s on oppo white boards to understand that Cole is not a sought after player.

Plenty of average players look like guns in a good system.

Case in point: Tom Cole.