List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Ok hear me out. I think I have the solution to a few of our list problems, and it's really quite genius in it's simplicity. We could;

Keep a senior midfielder on the list, solving our salary cap floor issue

Finally have that freakishly tall ruckman we've all been dreaming of

Make use of Matt Flynn


Who's coming with me?

 

[sharps24]

Just remove the list size restriction. Problem solved.

Interesting. How would this work, instead of paying say a Cole and Hunt 150k more than they are worth and overpaying maybe a Duggan could we just draft an extra 5 18 year olds on 100k a piece and increase our chances of finding best 22 types? That would actually be a really smart way of doing rebuilds.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Liam Duggan

14

Liam Duggan

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

283.7

4star

D

16.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

283.7

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

4 years, Elliott Yeo 3
Years, Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

2 years.

And you wonder why Oscar feels under valued and we’re at the bottom of the ****ing ladder.

Jesus!

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

As ordinary as Kelly's form is the argument for getting rid of him is more about behaviours than form. Just as the club said when they were explaining why the dropped him. They didn't elaborate on what they meant by that but it is a fair guess that it meant his body language on field is awful, he doesn't run hard enough, doesn't get to enough contests, doesn't chase, doesn't tackle, doesn't want to be responsible for an opponent etc. And that is a really bad example to have being set by a senior player for the rest of the squad. The argument for keeping him is that there are probably 10 guys over 22 who are further from the best 25 than he is and we can only move on 5 or 6 players a year.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Liam Duggan 4 years, Elliott Yeo 3
Years, Tim Kelly 2 years.

And you wonder why Oscar feels under valued and we’re at the bottom of the ****ing ladder.

Jesus!

Disagree completely mate - we've tabled a more than fair offer to Oscar.

From a ZeroHanger article:

It is understood that Allen is hoping to receive either a six or seven-year contract, while the Eagles are only willing to offer him no more than a five-year contract extension at this stage.

We've offered 5yrs but he wants 6-7yrs.

He's 27 next season, has only had one properly elite season, struggled to get on the park with injury and his form this contract year is best described as steaming dogshite.

We'd be mad to offer more than 5yrs IMO.

 

[WCE777]

Disagree completely mate - we've tabled a more than fair offer to Oscar.

From a ZeroHanger article:



We've offered 5yrs but he wants 6-7yrs.

He's 27 next season, has only had one properly elite season, struggled to get on the park with injury and his form this contract year is best described as steaming dogshite.

We'd be mad to offer more than 5yrs IMO.

Have to agree, entitled to a 5 year contract same as Waterman last year.
Reasonable $ but not silly and they put a clause of games played etc.
I still think Oscar will sign our deal, if he doesn't and WC can get pick 2 or 3 as FA compo I am also OK with that.

 

[Cuzz09]

Jordan Dawson

12

Jordan Dawson

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

Guess he kicks it long every time, high chance of turnover

 

[Smotie2]

Jordan Dawson

Guess he kicks it long every time, high chance of turnover

At least we have 2 in the top 10 of some list.

 

[sharps24]

At least we have 2 in the top 10 of some list.

Don't undersell it. Its two in the top 5 thank you.

 

[Quinz]

I think Allen has been an unfortunate casualty of terrible timing and bad luck on his contract front. All players now are looking for the one big free agency contract, 6 years plus if you're a big name.

I have no doubt when he extended his contract in 2019 as a sub 50 game player he took unders. Kelly, Gaff, Naitanui, Darling, Shuey, Yeo, McGovern had all signed contracts in the years around that and there is no way he would have commanded serious money. But he was the next big star, so signing on to free agency would give him the most leverage to get his lifetime deal when the time came and those other stars had left or were at the end.

But now he's ended up in terrible form and injury concerns, at a club who has been hauled over the coals for it's extended contract deals, with the real chance of being pushed out of the team he captains and grew up supporting.

There has been a lot of our own making in the demise of the club but I think we've also amidst it all had some of the worst collective luck ever seen on an extended basis. And this is another part of it. It wouldn't surprise me if the AFL tightens the compensation right before he goes as well. That'd be about where our fortunes have been since Sheed kicked the goal.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

This makes zero sense at all.

You're just taking money out of the game. Let's remember the salary cap is determined by the CBA. That's the players money that they have bargained for.

Clubs being allowed to pay 80% of the cap just means you're taking millions and millions of dollars off players that they have rightly earned and are entitled to.

I'd also add that AFL players are already paid quite low in terms of a percentage of revenue. For AFL its 28% for sports like NFL and NBA its 45-55%

The 95% floor hamstrings clubs and it doesn’t sit right with me that you can bank salary for later years.

Makes perfect sense

 

[stylish]

Yep. I’ve posted about this before. Having a minimum salary cap spend AND a maximum list size is stupid

It’s a nonsense that a playing list like ours or Richmond or North’s should be earning almost the same collectively as a Brisbane/Collingwood/Geelong who are significantly older and more accomplished

Clubs in rebuild mode with young lists are forced to overpay their players which is counterproductive to establishing the right mindset to improve

Great point Keys

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Yep. I’ve posted about this before. Having a minimum salary cap spend AND a maximum list size is stupid

It’s a nonsense that a playing list like ours or Richmond or North’s should be earning almost the same collectively as a Brisbane/Collingwood/Geelong who are significantly older and more accomplished

Clubs in rebuild mode with young lists are forced to overpay their players which is counterproductive to establishing the right mindset to improve

Yeah great point. You also have more assets to trade for picks later on as you look to reduce your list.

 

[stylish]

could pick up daicos on the cheap?

And Dawson @ 3 wouldn't be bad either. Just goes to show how you can make stats mean anything to make a point

 

[EagleEgo]

Are we going to have 2 extra rookie spots in 2025?
If we are, then we don't have to worry about delisting good but older players.

 

[Rowan18]

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Someone mentioned it before, but don't underestimate the disruption to skills from the team learning the gameplan. In our last big rebuild (2008-2010) there was a lot of talk of our player's skills suddenly becoming bad (particularly kicking). Woosha denied it and everyone laughed, then low and behold, when the gameplan clicked in 2011, everyone suddenly had great kicking again. It comes down to knowing where the player is going to be so you can direct the kick in anticipation.

I agree with Woosha that the same thing will happen with this team. Hopefully it looks like: 1st Half 2025 "when will these spuds win a game", 2nd half 2025 "we can see a gameplan but they need to round it out", 2026 "can win at home, struggle away", 2027 "Profit"

 

[ziad]

Someone mentioned it before, but don't underestimate the disruption to skills from the team learning the gameplan. In our last big rebuild (2008-2010) there was a lot of talk of our player's skills suddenly becoming bad (particularly kicking). Woosha denied it and everyone laughed, then low and behold, when the gameplan clicked in 2011, everyone suddenly had great kicking again. It comes down to knowing where the player is going to be so you can direct the kick in anticipation.

I agree with Woosha that the same thing will happen with this team. Hopefully it looks like: 1st Half 2025 "when will these spuds win a game", 2nd half 2025 "we can see a gameplan but they need to round it out", 2026 "can win at home, struggle away", 2027 "Profit"

once it is ingrained and more instinctive natural skill is freed up form over thinking in a way

 

[eaglevision]

This is the ranking of pressure acts in the AFL. If all our players (senior in particular) played with the same intensity Graham does the game plan would look and be a lot more effective and we’d have a couple of wins on the board. Notably vs Essendon and Richmond.

He’s slow but he’s got a huge tank and plays with the aggression and intent required by the entire list to see a few wins in the back half of the year. If we’d actually done a deal with Richmond and managed to get band 3 compo for them (pick 20 before FA picks) it would have been one of the best pieces of business we’ve done in recent times.

Love his work in the media too. No nonsense and would much rather he do the pressers instead of wheeling out Duggan and Oscar to give their cliche lines written on the back of their hands. Great work Jack, been a good pickup free of draft capital.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Just remove the list size restriction. Problem solved.

I LOVE this idea...It solves so many problems with bottoming (not rude) sides.
Simple, easy.

 

[CountryLad]

I thought Kelly would get a one year extension but if it’s 2 then so be it. I think he transitions into the role he played on the weekend and he looked pretty comfortable and engaged in the game.

Looks like a decent ball user and decision maker when he has a bit more space and time. If he had finished the two goals he missed it would have been a very solid outing. It’s his more natural role.

His midfield days look behind him, struggling in the contest and doesn’t run two ways, defensively poor. Has had poor body language in the last two seasons when he can’t get the game on his terms.

 

[sharps24]

Are we going to have 2 extra rookie spots in 2025?
If we are, then we don't have to worry about delisting good but older players.

Having extra rookie spots doesn't really help us with that I don't think. We still need main list spots to take players from the first 4 rounds of the draft, match father sons, and use our NGA entitlements. We've got a lot of main draft players coming in, potentially anyway, plus I think we need to finally upgrade Maric to the main list. The extra 2 rookie spots just allow us to field a stronger Beagles side and retain some 21 year olds from the main list and potentially Livingston. We probably don't use the spots on either new rookies or retaining senior players.

Fans of long posts check my math. Others seethe and post your best I aint reading war a peace memes.

Assuming we take 3 first rounders [pick 1/2, Oscar comp, Hawks pick] 2 second rounders, 2 3rds and a 4th. We take 3 best available first round, spend a pick matching Banfield father son, Match 2 x NGA bids lets say that costs us a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th] then potentially still have a 2nd and 3rd round player to take as well. Thats 8 players coming in before we get to rookie picks. We then still have NGA academy players who might slip to rookie spots.

I assume we retire Cripps and Sheed, delist Petch and Jameison. Let's say we delist Cole as well. Half the board want us to retain Cripps, but let's say common sense prevails which would only get us to 5. Oscar goes, that gets us to 6. We then have to have a tough conversation about Chesser, Long, Bazzo, Harvey Johnston. Because other than taking the drastic step of delisting Barnett while he still has a year to go on his contract, minimum 2 of those guys would need to go too IF we wanted to use our full draft hand. That would mean Chesser for sure, and I'd pick Long to go as well but Harvey Johnston probably is the more logical choice.

I'll assume we don't trade in anyone just for convenience because I don't think we go for anyone via free agency as it'd potentially void our Oscar Allen compo, and if we do have someone we like then maybe that's just a swap of first or second round draft pick and doesn't affect total ins/outs.

We would 100% want to use our 3 first rounders. Let's say that's Sheeds spot, Jamison's spot, and Oscars spot.

We also 100% are going to want Charlie Banfield, let's say he cost us our third rounder and that we also really want Wes Walley and he costs us the other 3rd rounder. For that to happen we have to say goodbye to 2 more players, because we are in a rebuild you protect the 21 year olds and get rid of Petch, and then one of Cripps or Cole. Cole is still under 30 and we need a defender more than we need another small forward [signed up all of Owies, Graham and Kelly to 2028] so logically that's Cripps gone. We still have 2 second rounders on the board. In the last 2 years the likes of Shannahan and Archer Reid have slid to our 2nd round pick so I'd suggest that if we use those picks we can significantly improve our list. But that means saying goodbye to 2 more. Which is where it gets hard, but do you keep Noah Long or Cambell Chesser over a player of the calibre of Shanahan or Reid? So let's say we lose those 2 guys, and tears flow.

We have then drafted a staggering 7 18 year olds onto the main list. And not used our 4th rounder. I say maybe we use that 4th rounder on Evans if a bid comes but 8 draftee's just seems wild. Ah **** it, it hurts but let's take the kid because we have to profit from out NGA's right, right? Can't have another repeat of the Lance Collard situation. So sorry that means you're gone Harvey Jonston. Obviously Bazzo is retained given KPD is a need for us.

8 players in, 8 players gone. And people will absolutely be crying over the fact we wouldn't offer new contracts to at least 4 of them.

Only now, can we talk about rookies. First order of business is not who can we cut from the Rookie list but who do we have to promote. Ryan Maric I believe signed an 18 month contract and so he has to be promoted, or I guess re-rookied. He'd be incredibly stiff not to be offered a main list spot. Let's say just to keep the punters happy we pay out Harry Barnett and Maric slots in there. Now 9 players are gone and we have an extra rookie spot up our sleeve. We can have 2 more if we delist Rawlinson and Livingston. But we need a WAFL ruck and we just lost Barnett so we keep Livingston. Delist Rawlinson. We now have 2 rookie spots. And let's say we have gotten lucky and the AFl gives us 2 more.

So we have 4 rookie spots, let's say because we are a nostalgic bunch we decide not to take any rookies in the draft due to our astonishing main list draft haul. We can use those spots on some of the 9 players we just let go. What does this mean for senior players who haven't been given a new contract?

Noah Long is one of our most promising WAFL players and he's a leader at the club. He gets the first spot. Welcome back Noah. Harvey Jonshton hasn't even had a chance to break into the 22, and is a popular kid with potential as a half back or wing which are list needs for us, he gets the second spot. Welcome back Whopper. Chamber Chesser, a first round draft pick still under 22 never really had a chance due to injury, do you give him one more year to get his body right and see if he can put it together? I think so. Thats 3 spots gone. Now you have 1 spot left. Did we pick someone up in the mid season draft? Oh shit we did, well I guess we don't have a 4th spot after all. Whats that we didn't, the board melted and we somehow survived? Well do Petch and Cole still have something to offer at AFL level? Potentially yes, but do they get offers elsewhere? Let's say yes. And now we have 1 spot left and only Jamie Cripps and Dom Sheed in the running to retain it, both have said they enjoy being senior AFl players and there's still things they want to achieve in footy before hanging up the boots. As premiership players they are absolutely filthy not to have been given main list deals on Tim Kelly money, but the club offers them the only spot it has left. Have they really failed to set themselves up for post football life so spectacularly that its a good move for them to go down from whatever they are on to what, 90-100k a year to get another year of football out of themselves as a rookie, likely playing in the 2's? For their sake, you'd hope not.

We leave the last spot open, take a train on over summer or keep it up our sleeve for the 2026 mid season draft.

Edit: For those checking the math I forgot to delist Cole in the middle there. I don't think it changes the outcome of anything rookie wise though, he'll either find a trade if he doesn't have a deal or he's be the one out of He, Petch and Crippsto get another deal. Things don't necessarily have to play out the way I've laid it out, there could be and probably will be surprises along the way, but logically given our draft hand and our list people are really sleeping on the fact that we don't have a choice but to say goodbye to both senior players still getting games AND some of our lesser "youth."

 

[Happy Mastenator]

With Kelly i guess it's a sign that there probably aren't too many veteran midfielders that are realistic targets to join the team over the next year or so. Can't get rid of them all, even in a crappy year for him form wise he's still top 6 contested possessions per game, and 2nd in clearances per game. Can't lump it all on the kids.

Hopefully he's not been 100% physically/mentally, and gets back to 100% so he can contribute a bit more.

 

[Elite Pete]

Liam Duggan 4 years, Elliott Yeo 3
Years, Tim Kelly 2 years.

And you wonder why Oscar feels under valued and we’re at the bottom of the ****ing ladder.

Jesus!

100%.

Oscar could bring something the rest can’t, and that overs for his value (Band 1).

Not sure if we traded any of the rest we would get their value back. Maybe Duggan as a FA last year might’ve got us band 3. After our 2nd pick of Shanahan. So maybe Boxshall?

 

[Boohemian]

Having extra rookie spots doesn't really help us with that I don't think. We still need main list spots to take players from the first 4 rounds of the draft, match father sons, and use our NGA entitlements. We've got a lot of main draft players coming in, potentially anyway, plus I think we need to finally upgrade Maric to the main list. The extra 2 rookie spots just allow us to field a stronger Beagles side and retain some 21 year olds from the main list and potentially Livingston. We probably don't use the spots on either new rookies or retaining senior players.

Fans of long posts check my math. Others seethe and post your best I aint reading war a peace memes.

Assuming we take 3 first rounders [pick 1/2, Oscar comp, Hawks pick] 2 second rounders, 2 3rds and a 4th. We take 3 best available first round, spend a pick matching Banfield father son, Match 2 x NGA bids lets say that costs us a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th] then potentially still have a 2nd and 3rd round player to take as well. Thats 8 players coming in before we get to rookie picks. We then still have NGA academy players who might slip to rookie spots.

I assume we retire Cripps and Sheed, delist Petch and Jameison. Let's say we delist Cole as well. Half the board want us to retain Cripps, but let's say common sense prevails which would only get us to 5. Oscar goes, that gets us to 6. We then have to have a tough conversation about Chesser, Long, Bazzo, Harvey Johnston. Because other than taking the drastic step of delisting Barnett while he still has a year to go on his contract, minimum 2 of those guys would need to go too IF we wanted to use our full draft hand. That would mean Chesser for sure, and I'd pick Long to go as well but Harvey Johnston probably is the more logical choice.

I'll assume we don't trade in anyone just for convenience because I don't think we go for anyone via free agency as it'd potentially void our Oscar Allen compo, and if we do have someone we like then maybe that's just a swap of first or second round draft pick and doesn't affect total ins/outs.

We would 100% want to use our 3 first rounders. Let's say that's Sheeds spot, Jamison's spot, and Oscars spot.

We also 100% are going to want Charlie Banfield, let's say he cost us our third rounder and that we also really want Wes Walley and he costs us the other 3rd rounder. For that to happen we have to say goodbye to 2 more players, because we are in a rebuild you protect the 21 year olds and get rid of Petch, and then one of Cripps or Cole. Cole is still under 30 and we need a defender more than we need another small forward [signed up all of Owies, Graham and Kelly to 2028] so logically that's Cripps gone. We still have 2 second rounders on the board. In the last 2 years the likes of Shannahan and Archer Reid have slid to our 2nd round pick so I'd suggest that if we use those picks we can significantly improve our list. But that means saying goodbye to 2 more. Which is where it gets hard, but do you keep Noah Long or Cambell Chesser over a player of the calibre of Shanahan or Reid? So let's say we lose those 2 guys, and tears flow.

We have then drafted a staggering 7 18 year olds onto the main list. And not used our 4th rounder. I say maybe we use that 4th rounder on Evans if a bid comes but 8 draftee's just seems wild. Ah **** it, it hurts but let's take the kid because we have to profit from out NGA's right, right? Can't have another repeat of the Lance Collard situation. So sorry that means you're gone Harvey Jonston. Obviously Bazzo is retained given KPD is a need for us.

8 players in, 8 players gone. And people will absolutely be crying over the fact we wouldn't offer new contracts to at least 4 of them.

Only now, can we talk about rookies. First order of business is not who can we cut from the Rookie list but who do we have to promote. Ryan Maric I believe signed an 18 month contract and so he has to be promoted, or I guess re-rookied. He'd be incredibly stiff not to be offered a main list spot. Let's say just to keep the punters happy we pay out Harry Barnett and Maric slots in there. Now 9 players are gone and we have an extra rookie spot up our sleeve. We can have 2 more if we delist Rawlinson and Livingston. But we need a WAFL ruck and we just lost Barnett so we keep Livingston. Delist Rawlinson. We now have 2 rookie spots. And let's say we have gotten lucky and the AFl gives us 2 more.

So we have 4 rookie spots, let's say because we are a nostalgic bunch we decide not to take any rookies in the draft due to our astonishing main list draft haul. We can use those spots on some of the 9 players we just let go. What does this mean for senior players who haven't been given a new contract?

Noah Long is one of our most promising WAFL players and he's a leader at the club. He gets the first spot. Welcome back Noah. Harvey Jonshton hasn't even had a chance to break into the 22, and is a popular kid with potential as a half back or wing which are list needs for us, he gets the second spot. Welcome back Whopper. Chamber Chesser, a first round draft pick still under 22 never really had a chance due to injury, do you give him one more year to get his body right and see if he can put it together? I think so. Thats 3 spots gone. Now you have 1 spot left. Did we pick someone up in the mid season draft? Oh shit we did, well I guess we don't have a 4th spot after all. Whats that we didn't, the board melted and we somehow survived? Well do Petch and Cole still have something to offer at AFL level? Potentially yes, but do they get offers elsewhere? Let's say yes. And now we have 1 spot left and only Jamie Cripps and Dom Sheed in the running to retain it, both have said they enjoy being senior AFl players and there's still things they want to achieve in footy before hanging up the boots. As premiership players they are absolutely filthy not to have been given main list deals on Tim Kelly money, but the club offers them the only spot it has left. Have they really failed to set themselves up for post football life so spectacularly that its a good move for them to go down from whatever they are on to what, 90-100k a year to get another year of football out of themselves as a rookie, likely playing in the 2's? For their sake, you'd hope not.

We leave the last spot open, take a train on over summer or keep it up our sleeve for the 2026 mid season draft.

Day one is an excellent app for journal writing

 

[mattyc75]

Disagree completely mate - we've tabled a more than fair offer to Oscar.

From a ZeroHanger article:



We've offered 5yrs but he wants 6-7yrs.

He's 27 next season, has only had one properly elite season, struggled to get on the park with injury and his form this contract year is best described as steaming dogshite.

We'd be mad to offer more than 5yrs IMO.

We're mad for offering 5