List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Obeanie1]

I tend to agree with pick 34 for Starcevich. Given the situation though, do we potentially give 34 to Richmond for Young and give 19 to Brisbane for Starcevich and Robertson and ask for an F3 as well?

52 to Richmond

34 to Lions

Use 1, 2, 15, 19 and 20.

Use Ryan and Chesser to upgrade these picks or get future picks.

 

[Elite Pete]

Hard to find someone who’s available and would be a likely improvement on what we’ve got.

I suggested Soldo, based on the fact that he’s out of favour at Port, still only 29, and his Dubai-based girlfriend might find Perth more convenient than Adelaide. But it turns out apparently she’s quit her job and moved back to Melbourne.

Nick Madden is one younger candidate I’d look at. Ned Reeves is a more mature option but it sounds like he’s re-signing.

Dunno who else there is. Don’t say Moyle, that’s not happening.

Any state league rucks that might benefit and be afl quality ruck withe the rule changes?

Agreed, doesn’t appear to be too much to pick from that would be an upgrade.

Another board favourite, Max Knobel? Would be getting close to an AFL size and endurance now?

 

[Proeagle]

Surely we do something about the ruck situation this offseason?

Simply cannot go into next season with the current crop.

I hope we just train A Reid all preseason in the ruck. Club also seems to have faith in Barnett. Lets hope its his year and can see us getting CDT with pick 2.

 

[eaglevision]

The cheapest way to get talent remains through the draft. The trade system should be used to augment a broader list strategy that hinges on success in the draft. All trading of players into the club come with a premium and need to generate instant on field benefits in almost all cases.

Some glaring mistakes over the last decade.
1. Long contracts, over paying for existing "stars" contracts.
2. Target the wrong players. Fridge, uncompetitive or defective. (Witherden, Owies, SPS, Langdon, etc...)
3. Overpay for opposition players due to lack of creativity and clear forward planning. (Kelly & Baker trades).
4. Historically not moving on players at the point where they're most valuable. Again due to poor strategic planning and inaccurate assessment of our list and the direction of the game.

The recruitment of Starcevich, Robertson and Young are moves based on short term survival rather than building towards sustained success. The same applies to last year's draft and FA moves.

Pyke is in no position to talk about past list management mistakes until he drives a successful offseason.

Great post. Particularly the second last paragraph. Like a government up for re-election every 3 years trying to save themselves.

If Dev comes as DFA then no dramas, but these bandaids at the expense of the medium-long term picture are appalling list management and reek of self interest.
2024-Pick 14
2025-Pick 19 (+pick ? for Young)

 

[Dark Sharks]

I’m 100% team Starcevich but his history is a concern. Maybe it’s a symptom of him putting his head in the trough meaning he’s a tough bugger we’d be lucky to have, but he has had some serious gaps in availability due to head knocks and some of them have been pretty light looking. Impossible to tell with concussions but anyone not concerned about his history is kidding themselves.

I just find it astounding, absolutely absurd, that after just losing 4 players to concussion, with McGovern only being months ago... Out of all the players in the AFL, we've honed in on Starcevich.

The next Angus Brayshaw/Mccartin story.

Absolutely could not script it. You think the media was sinking the boots about "It's their fault" previously, Gee whiz there's going to be no mercy after this if/when it blows up.

It’s not even about that for me.

Pick 34 should be more than fair for a guy who could leave in free agency to basically any other club and net Brisbane nothing, since they’re bringing in two free agents of their own.

I keep seeing this reported over and over "WCE will offer up their assistance pick 19 for Starcevich....."

Like WTAF. Firstly, how about we "offer up" a chode and pick 52 to start?

We can then move onto pick 34 with no Anabelle bid. Before finally finally getting bent over and settling on pick 20 (after our pick 19).

Imagine skipping all of that and "offering up" pick 19 without even a modicum of playing hardball or negotiating anything. Hasn't happened yet but deary me that one would be talked about on this board for years.

 

[Jootube]

Great post. Particularly the second last paragraph. Like a government up for re-election every 3 years trying to save themselves.

If Dev comes as DFA then no dramas, but these bandaids at the expense of the medium-long term picture are appalling list management and reek of self interest.
2024-Pick 14
2025-Pick 19 (+pick ? for Young)

To be fair, if we don't win some games in the next 3 years H.Reid will not be an Eagle after that.
We're in a rare situation where short-term wins likely augment long-term success.

 

[Mop]

Start here and also look into how they baseline performance outside of game day to compare their results.

It’s hardly “hey mate how’s the head” stuff.

I’d like to share this one to reinforce your point.
Pat Lafontaine was an NHL star who had repeated concussion injuries in the mid- late 90s.

Here’s a video from 1999 IIRC of what was then a new-ish procedure of base lining and measuring neurological responses after concussions with Dr James Kelly. Dr Kelly was one of the first to realise the long term damning impact concussions were having to athletes.



So add that plus 25 odd years of science and development.

It’s a bit more than just how ya feel Starcy mate, all good ?

 

[Elite Pete]

The cheapest way to get talent remains through the draft. The trade system should be used to augment a broader list strategy that hinges on success in the draft. All trading of players into the club come with a premium and need to generate instant on field benefits in almost all cases.

Some glaring mistakes over the last decade.
1. Long contracts, over paying for existing "stars" contracts.
2. Target the wrong players. Fridge, uncompetitive or defective. (Witherden, Owies, SPS, Langdon, etc...)
3. Overpay for opposition players due to lack of creativity and clear forward planning. (Kelly & Baker trades).
4. Historically not moving on players at the point where they're most valuable. Again due to poor strategic planning and inaccurate assessment of our list and the direction of the game.

The recruitment of Starcevich, Robertson and Young are moves based on short term survival rather than building towards sustained success. The same applies to last year's draft and FA moves.

Pyke is in no position to talk about past list management mistakes until he drives a successful offseason.

Our drafting has been terrible and also got us in this position.

Best way to build a list is identifying players who can play at the level and bringing them in as cheap as possible via draft, trade and free agency.

We haven’t done great on any of these.

Bringing in the right ready made talent also helps generate wins that helps recruiting better calibre players.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

His opponent on the weekend (Dangerfield) had 10 disposals, zero clearances and zero impact.

Pick 34 is probably fair given the concussion history. But you shouldn’t be judging one of the best mid-size lockdown defenders in the competition on their disposal count. He’s an absolute gun of a player.

He's definitely a gun but Brisbane have no leverage given they're gaining 2 free agents. We could offer a pick in the 50s and it'd be more than you'd get if he went anywhere else.

 

[DorothyG]

Bruz, who cares if we give Brissy the pleb pick.
It's something we didn't have 2 days ago.

Basically getting a 2x Premiership player for absolutely nothing.

I ain't going back through 20 pages to weigh up the pros and cons.

 

[TY24]

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

Sx of CTE like inability to think might be valid.

You seem incapable of appreciating why bending over for the reigning premiers for a higher than standard risk player and not pushing for a better deal would be a bad idea. We got pick 19 this week and its being reported we are trading it for a riskier than standard player without building risk into the equation. We raced to be the losers of the trade as quickly as we could.

I like Starcevich, glad we're getting him but the price isnt right.

Here, this might hell, You sound like a guy who likes crayons. Would you mortgage your house for a fun size box of crayons?

 

[CountryLad]

So next year we go in with something like, as it currently stands:

B: Hough Edwards Ginbey
HB: Baker Young Starcevich
C: Maric HReid McCarthy
HF: Cripps Shanahan Hewett
FF: Brockman Waterman Owies
R: Flynn Yeo Hewett
Int: Duggan Allan Hall Robertson Graham BWilliams

Draftees not included. Assuming all fit. Obviously some notable absentees.

We’ll win games.

You have Hewett named twice. Unless you meant Hewitt, he’s in this thread constantly but I’m not convinced he is even on our list.

 

[Wce17]

It’s not even about that for me.

Pick 34 should be more than fair for a guy who could leave in free agency to basically any other club and net Brisbane nothing, since they’re bringing in two free agents of their own.

Has everyone just forgotten he's a restricted Free Agent & Brisbane have the right to match & force a trade. Even if getting Starc didn't dilute pick 2 it's still not taking away Brisbane right to do that.

Even if he was going to another club they would still match and force a trade meaning they would get something.

 

[Jootube]

Bruz, who cares if we give Brissy the pleb pick.
It's something we didn't have 2 days ago.

Basically getting a 2x Premiership player for absolutely nothing.

I ain't going back through 20 pages to weigh up the pros and cons.

Found our list manager

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Bruz, who cares if we give Brissy the pleb pick.
It's something we didn't have 2 days ago.

Basically getting a 2x Premiership player for absolutely nothing.

I ain't going back through 20 pages to weigh up the pros and cons.

Anyone who has bothered to go through the pros and cons cares, bruz

 

[bradee]

He’s had one offseason and brought in our B+F and next captain (albeit with an overpay, yes) and also has delivered a draft most of us would say is a huge building block of our next core.

I’m not saying he’s a gun but do we need to reassess his tenure 300 times a day, every day of the year?

Give him a second offseason for a start.

He has nothing to do with the draft,that's Duane Massey's job.Hes lucky Massey saved his bacon last year by drafting well.

 

[THE A5]

I think it's stupid that anyone in the media thought we'd dilute the Oscar compo to sign Starc. It's also kinda stupid we'd offer up that freshly given first rounder when in reality we could be bad boys and use later picks or the damn psd.

All I can hope for now is that we pick Brisbane's academy players and they have to use that pick to match.

I know we need some seniors but Mitch Starc will be 36 next year

 

[ThePuma #9]

A couple things to consider.

1. Twomey is saying the end of round pick will be used for Starcevich but how does he know? Pyke the other day said we were looking to potentially use it to trade up the draft. My point is it might be used for Starcevich but we might be getting other pieces back as well such as a pick to use for Young and Dev. Let’s not melt just yet and wait to see what happens.

2. The Lions could have said we’ll make sure to trigger band 1 for Allen but you have to look after us for Starcevich. If someone said to you a month back. Lions will trigger band 1 for Allen and the AFL will give you a pick but you need to use it for Starcevich in return you wouldn’t take it?

3. There does seem to be some funny buggers going on. First we get word Allen Free agency might not be lodged tomorrow and now tonight at the B&F it’s Fagan who announces Starcevich is leaving. Meanwhile it’s reported we are looking into Starcevichs incident on the weekend. There could be quite a few games of mental chess being played between the Lions and Eagles at the moment.

4. At no point so far has Clarke, Pyke or Woosha said what we value Starcevich at or what we’d trade for him or any stupid shit. I’d have to assume they learned a lot from their first off season last year and won’t make the same mistakes again.

Let’s just sit back and appreciate for a brief moment we’ve managed to secure three new players for the club because a few days ago it was looking grim.

 

[TY24]

I know we need some seniors but Mitch Starc will be 36 next year

Heard his set shots have a real left to right about them

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Has everyone just forgotten he's a restricted Free Agent & Brisbane have the right to match & force a trade. Even if getting Starc didn't dilute pick 2 it's still not taking away Brisbane right to do that.

Even if he was going to another club they would still match and force a trade meaning they would get something.

Brisbane are not matching our offer

 

[Hasselhough]

I just find it astounding, absolutely absurd, that after just losing 4 players to concussion, with McGovern only being months ago... Out of all the players in the AFL, we've honed in on Starcevich.

The next Angus Brayshaw/Mccartin story.

Absolutely could not script it. You think the media was sinking the boots about "It's their fault" previously, Gee whiz there's going to be no mercy after this if/when it blows up.



I keep seeing this reported over and over "WCE will offer up their assistance pick 19 for Starcevich....."

Like WTAF. Firstly, how about we "offer up" a chode and pick 52 to start?

We can then move onto pick 34 with no Anabelle bid. Before finally finally getting bent over and settling on pick 20 (after our pick 19).

Imagine skipping all of that and "offering up" pick 19 without even a modicum of playing hardball or negotiating anything. Hasn't happened yet but deary me that one would be talked about on this board for years.

what's the bet clarke sits down for an interview first day and they ask him about the PP for starcivich and he just nods like a dumb campaigner

 

[HoneyBadger35]

He has nothing to do with the draft,that's Duane Massey's job.Hes lucky Massey saved his bacon last year by drafting well.

Huh, and the trades and list management were all WCE Phil’s doing, so I’m starting to get very confused about what Clarke’s job actually is.

 

[TheBudgies]

I wanted to try and suggest the crayons had CTE too but couldn't work out how to get it to fit.

 

[Hasselhough]

Our drafting has been terrible and also got us in this position.

Best way to build a list is identifying players who can play at the level and bringing them in as cheap as possible via draft, trade and free agency.

We haven’t done great on any of these.

Bringing in the right ready made talent also helps generate wins that helps recruiting better calibre players.

Yep just like everyone wanted Johnson and we chose chesser .

Could have done with another actual ball winning mid the last 4 years

 

[TY24]

I wanted to try and suggest the crayons had CTE too but couldn't work out how to get it to fit.

Still waiting for you to show where I denied Starcevich's history is a risk