List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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Current contract status (Updated 31/10/25) : Total 38 Players - Main List (33) Rookie List (4) Cat B (1) Contracted to 2029 (4) : Jake Waterman (6/5/98) - Signed a 4 year extension (2026-29) on an existing contract due to expire 2025 in October 2024 Liam Baker (27/1/98) - Signed a 5 year...

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[Obeanie1]

No point asking.

a) both born on the east coast
b) we suck atm.

We're only going attract WA players home

Redden and Witherden say hi. So does Hickey, Mitchell, Vardy and Petrie.

It is rare, but not unheard of.

 

[Obeanie1]

Until it happens, I have no idea.

You already mentioned McStay going to Collingwood. Reports are it's pretty much a done deal.

That is 1.

And sorry, you can't say the Lion's don't need the picks and then say with no certainty if players will leave.

Anyway, prob gone as far with this as we can until we actually know who's coming, going and staying.

 

[Monocle]

You're killing me with these names. Shadow Brain?

Legit name

Spelling is Shadeau Brain ( he is a Brisbane Lions Academy kid ).

Nick name has to be: CAT Scan

 

[Bender_]

GWS and their list issues really are a blight on the game. Basically with the players they've had access to and not been able to retain they've then inturn had access to more high picks in exchange for those players, which they couldn't then retain and the cycle continues. And worst of all these players leaving from GWS want to head back home to Victoria - which is their right nothing against those playes. All for one GF appearance. **** off.

 

[Obeanie1]

GWS and their list issues really are a blight on the game. Basically with the players they've had access to and not been able to retain they've then inturn had access to more high picks in exchange for those players, which they couldn't then retain and the cycle continues. And worst of all these players leaving from GWS want to head back home to Victoria - which is their right nothing against those playes. All for one GF appearance. * off.

Watch the Giants start targeting more WA and SA talent.
J
The Vic boys they draft have 10 clubs chasing them from day 1.

If we dont just watch them draft Hewett this year.

 

[Chump Change]

Spelling is Shadeau Brain

Sounds like he's from SOR.

 

[WCE_phil]

hawks are into hopper but might want something back.

almost all vic clubs into taranto.

Bruhn isn't worth a pick above 25.

Hill as well as wanting to head too Victoria has commitment issues. so I'd say 30 or 35+

 

[JackOutback]

He's hard as nails and I love how he plays.....

But we can get players like this with 3rd or 4th rounders or even RD picks.

Look at the profile of Richmond and Melbourne:

Dusty, Cotch
Reiwoldt, Lynch

The team is built around those players, mainly Dusty and Cotch. Most of the rest of the guys are 2nd rounders or later. A quarter of them are RD and PSD picks. They weren't even good enough to get drafted.

Oliver, Tracc
Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw

Same deal - this team wasn't a genuine flag threat until Oliver and Tracc announced themselves as superstars.


And look at Carlton with Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, and McKay. They will be serious flag contenders over the next 3 years. Voss just has to get his coaching right.


Put Shai Bolton (and any one of another 300 players) into those teams and he's an A grader. Put him into a team like ours and they get found out. These players don't have the ability to control outcomes. The players that do are either elite contested beasts, or elite balanced mids. Even the days of Wayne Carey are gone. Elite KPFs can't do it without an elite midfield.

So where does Baker sit?

Hard as nails? Check.
Will still be able to deliver in a s**t team? Check.
Age profile? Not critical. We don't have much in his age profile but in 5 years time when we're gearing up for a flag tilt - the weakness will be in that 30 year old group. We can recruit players we need for that.

So what's the problem?

He's not a player that can control outcomes. We need to find the players who can. Our best chance is our first round picks over the next 3-5 years. We find them and Baker is playing small defender. We can find small defenders elsewhere, pretty easily.

A better option is Dev Robbo or Bruhn. Both not yet established so will be relatively cheap. They may well end up a bust. But they could also be Josh Kennedy (Sydney). Couldn't get a gig in star studded Hawks midfield so they offloaded him. I'd rather take a punt on getting that, than getting a guy we know won't be that.

The idea that we can just pick up players of Baker’s quality in the third or fourth round is nonsense. Yes, you can, but you are more likely to pick up a player who is delisted after three or four seasons.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Redden and Witherden say hi. So does Hickey, Mitchell, Vardy and Petrie.

It is rare, but not unheard of.

We didn't suck at the time...we were a destination club

 

[Tugga27]

Redden and Witherden say hi. So does Hickey, Mitchell, Vardy and Petrie.

It is rare, but not unheard of.

TBF, Mitchell and Petrie we at the end of their careers and Vardy couldn't get a game due to injuries.
Witherden has turned out to be a spud.

The chances of us attracting a Victorian, are as you say rare.

 

[Rowan18]

Herald Sun reporting Melbourne expecting to lose Jackson. Question is to which club.

Bell is currently looking to gather more feathers in his cap and what draft/trade currency does he have to take to the milliner? Logue is supposedly gathering interest and Sydney are meant to be very interested. A replacement for the 32 year old Rampe. Likely that they would part with one of their 2 R1 picks. Then there is Lobb with a trade with Doggies looming. Probably not worth a first rounder but will be worth a decent R2. And then does Meeks get dealt back to Dees as part payment. Suns are also keen on a rebounding half back and are interested in Wilson. Suns have 3 x R2 picks this year and a history of overpaying.

I would expect Bell to at least explore selling their R1 in 2023 to the Suns as an option for the multiple R2 picks the Suns hold. Let’s face it, Bell did an outstanding deal with Brodie plus the Sun’s end of R1 as a salary dump. If he is not recruit if the year it has to be the best trade of the last decade. I cannot think of a better one, although Gibbs to Adelaide goes close.

So Freo are in a position to give up 2 x R1 picks for Jackson with a bunch of options so not seeing us as a serious player and hope we stay the course and keep our R1 this year.

It does raise an interesting debate - if Demons are adamant on pick 2 and that would get it done for Jackson, what would we want in return? Freo’s R1 plus one of Sydney’s R1 and Meeks? Would we go for pick 2 or would we go for a deal that got us 2 of Clark/MacKenzie/Szybkowski/Tsatas plus Meeks?

Putting it in terms of what would you trade for pick 2, shows clearly how much Freo would underpay for Jackson. No-one is trading pick 2 for 2 R1 in the mid teens.

This is the same conundrum Geelong faced when we traded for Kelly. People can bitch and moan about what we payed, but Geelong wanted top 10 picks and we gave them no-where near that much value. Geelong had little choice as Freo wasn't much stronger for their draft hand.

It's a different story this year. Especially if we finish last and can control the pre-season draft too. We need to make Freo bleed for Jackson. The type of trade where they sell all their depth for the promise of a gun (he hasn't proven it yet).

 

[the harry]

It's a different story this year. Especially if we finish last and can control the pre-season draft too. We need to make Freo bleed for Jackson. The type of trade where they sell all their depth for the promise of a gun (he hasn't proven it yet).

Isn't it a zero sum game? What Freo lose, Melbourne gain. Given the choice I'd want Melbourne to suffer more because they're proven and them getting better will be harder for us to catch than Freo

 

[Bacchus]

He's hard as nails and I love how he plays.....

But we can get players like this with 3rd or 4th rounders or even RD picks.

Look at the profile of Richmond and Melbourne:

Dusty, Cotch
Reiwoldt, Lynch

The team is built around those players, mainly Dusty and Cotch. Most of the rest of the guys are 2nd rounders or later. A quarter of them are RD and PSD picks. They weren't even good enough to get drafted.

Oliver, Tracc
Gawn, Viney, Brayshaw

Same deal - this team wasn't a genuine flag threat until Oliver and Tracc announced themselves as superstars.


And look at Carlton with Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, and McKay. They will be serious flag contenders over the next 3 years. Voss just has to get his coaching right.


Put Shai Bolton (and any one of another 300 players) into those teams and he's an A grader. Put him into a team like ours and they get found out. These players don't have the ability to control outcomes. The players that do are either elite contested beasts, or elite balanced mids. Even the days of Wayne Carey are gone. Elite KPFs can't do it without an elite midfield.

So where does Baker sit?

Hard as nails? Check.
Will still be able to deliver in a s**t team? Check.
Age profile? Not critical. We don't have much in his age profile but in 5 years time when we're gearing up for a flag tilt - the weakness will be in that 30 year old group. We can recruit players we need for that.

So what's the problem?

He's not a player that can control outcomes. We need to find the players who can. Our best chance is our first round picks over the next 3-5 years. We find them and Baker is playing small defender. We can find small defenders elsewhere, pretty easily.

A better option is Dev Robbo or Bruhn. Both not yet established so will be relatively cheap. They may well end up a bust. But they could also be Josh Kennedy (Sydney). Couldn't get a gig in star studded Hawks midfield so they offloaded him. I'd rather take a punt on getting that, than getting a guy we know won't be that.

Disagree with you on Bolton who is becoming a bona fide star.
Agree on Baker, not against recruiting him but not for a precious low (high? sub 25) second round pick, he doesn’t control the game as you say, his disposal is not great and he is very small.

 

[Monocle]

Putting it in terms of what would you trade for pick 2, shows clearly how much Freo would underpay for Jackson. No-one is trading pick 2 for 2 R1 in the mid teens.

This is the same conundrum Geelong faced when we traded for Kelly. People can bitch and moan about what we payed, but Geelong wanted top 10 picks and we gave them no-where near that much value. Geelong had little choice as Freo wasn't much stronger for their draft hand.

It's a different story this year. Especially if we finish last and can control the pre-season draft too. We need to make Freo bleed for Jackson. The type of trade where they sell all their depth for the promise of a gun (he hasn't proven it yet).

Melbourne would have mixed emotions if we finished last.
On one hand they would be shitting themselves, that we therefore have the mechanism by which we could walk Jackson into the PSD, highly unlikely as it is , the threat of it would be concerning and a real worry.
On the other hand it would make Fremantle have to pony up a considerable greater haul of draft capital if they had to compete with us walking Jackson into the PSD.

In all likelihood ( in which we didn't land Jackson ) we could still simultaneously force the dollar value of Jacksons contract up big time and ensure that Fremantle's draft hand is significantly impacted for the next two draft and trade periods.

Or if Father Christmas is actually true ......... negotiations break down between Fremantle and Melbourne and the big fella walks into West Coast for nicks.

 

[mattyc75]

Herald Sun reporting Melbourne expecting to lose Jackson. Question is to which club.

Bell is currently looking to gather more feathers in his cap and what draft/trade currency does he have to take to the milliner? Logue is supposedly gathering interest and Sydney are meant to be very interested. A replacement for the 32 year old Rampe. Likely that they would part with one of their 2 R1 picks. Then there is Lobb with a trade with Doggies looming. Probably not worth a first rounder but will be worth a decent R2. And then does Meeks get dealt back to Dees as part payment. Suns are also keen on a rebounding half back and are interested in Wilson. Suns have 3 x R2 picks this year and a history of overpaying.

I would expect Bell to at least explore selling their R1 in 2023 to the Suns as an option for the multiple R2 picks the Suns hold. Let’s face it, Bell did an outstanding deal with Brodie plus the Sun’s end of R1 as a salary dump. If he is not recruit if the year it has to be the best trade of the last decade. I cannot think of a better one, although Gibbs to Adelaide goes close.

So Freo are in a position to give up 2 x R1 picks for Jackson with a bunch of options so not seeing us as a serious player and hope we stay the course and keep our R1 this year.

It does raise an interesting debate - if Demons are adamant on pick 2 and that would get it done for Jackson, what would we want in return? Freo’s R1 plus one of Sydney’s R1 and Meeks? Would we go for pick 2 or would we go for a deal that got us 2 of Clark/MacKenzie/Szybkowski/Tsatas plus Meeks?

Cant understand the supposed interest in lobbe by the bulldogs.theyve got better rucks and forwards, young ones that havent gotten a game yet that are very highly rated
Strange

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[Bacchus]

Herald Sun reporting Melbourne expecting to lose Jackson. Question is to which club.

Bell is currently looking to gather more feathers in his cap and what draft/trade currency does he have to take to the milliner? Logue is supposedly gathering interest and Sydney are meant to be very interested. A replacement for the 32 year old Rampe. Likely that they would part with one of their 2 R1 picks. Then there is Lobb with a trade with Doggies looming. Probably not worth a first rounder but will be worth a decent R2. And then does Meeks get dealt back to Dees as part payment. Suns are also keen on a rebounding half back and are interested in Wilson. Suns have 3 x R2 picks this year and a history of overpaying.

I would expect Bell to at least explore selling their R1 in 2023 to the Suns as an option for the multiple R2 picks the Suns hold. Let’s face it, Bell did an outstanding deal with Brodie plus the Sun’s end of R1 as a salary dump. If he is not recruit if the year it has to be the best trade of the last decade. I cannot think of a better one, although Gibbs to Adelaide goes close.

So Freo are in a position to give up 2 x R1 picks for Jackson with a bunch of options so not seeing us as a serious player and hope we stay the course and keep our R1 this year.

It does raise an interesting debate - if Demons are adamant on pick 2 and that would get it done for Jackson, what would we want in return? Freo’s R1 plus one of Sydney’s R1 and Meeks? Would we go for pick 2 or would we go for a deal that got us 2 of Clark/MacKenzie/Szybkowski/Tsatas plus Meeks?

Big no to trading pick 2 or 1 to Fremantle. A rare chance to get top shelf talent and we are trading it to facilitate two rivals trade? No thanks, let them sweat it out.

 

[new breed]

Jordyn Baker NGA , 17 disposals , 7 tackles for EP ( 3rd quarter ) ..in pretty bad weather .

 

[mattyc75]

GWS and their list issues really are a blight on the game. Basically with the players they've had access to and not been able to retain they've then inturn had access to more high picks in exchange for those players, which they couldn't then retain and the cycle continues. And worst of all these players leaving from GWS want to head back home to Victoria - which is their right nothing against those playes. All for one GF appearance. * off.

They lack synergy
Theres a revolving door at that joint. Wont win a flag despite their talent until they get a settled team
And that wont happen until they stop getting all the high draft picks for losing young stars because they cant pay them.
Weve done ok tho out of it. Got tunbridge and langdon

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[Farang83150]

Herald Sun reporting Melbourne expecting to lose Jackson. Question is to which club.

Bell is currently looking to gather more feathers in his cap and what draft/trade currency does he have to take to the milliner? Logue is supposedly gathering interest and Sydney are meant to be very interested. A replacement for the 32 year old Rampe. Likely that they would part with one of their 2 R1 picks. Then there is Lobb with a trade with Doggies looming. Probably not worth a first rounder but will be worth a decent R2. And then does Meeks get dealt back to Dees as part payment. Suns are also keen on a rebounding half back and are interested in Wilson. Suns have 3 x R2 picks this year and a history of overpaying.

I would expect Bell to at least explore selling their R1 in 2023 to the Suns as an option for the multiple R2 picks the Suns hold. Let’s face it, Bell did an outstanding deal with Brodie plus the Sun’s end of R1 as a salary dump. If he is not recruit if the year it has to be the best trade of the last decade. I cannot think of a better one, although Gibbs to Adelaide goes close.

So Freo are in a position to give up 2 x R1 picks for Jackson with a bunch of options so not seeing us as a serious player and hope we stay the course and keep our R1 this year.

It does raise an interesting debate - if Demons are adamant on pick 2 and that would get it done for Jackson, what would we want in return? Freo’s R1 plus one of Sydney’s R1 and Meeks? Would we go for pick 2 or would we go for a deal that got us 2 of Clark/MacKenzie/Szybkowski/Tsatas plus Meeks?

The thought of helping freo and melb getting a big trade done is right up there with walking in on your parents shagging...

 

[Bender_]

Weve done ok tho out of it. Got tunbridge and langdon

 

[InTheWings]

GWS and their list issues really are a blight on the game. Basically with the players they've had access to and not been able to retain they've then inturn had access to more high picks in exchange for those players, which they couldn't then retain and the cycle continues. And worst of all these players leaving from GWS want to head back home to Victoria - which is their right nothing against those playes. All for one GF appearance. * off.

Sounds like GWS is a feeder club for Victoria. They draft and develop the best Aussie talent and then sell them back to Vic clubs for a price which they use to draft and develop the best Aussie talent... Rinse and repeat.

 

[Farang83150]

Just shows how hard it is to get a Vic to leave home when even Sydney's to far away for them.

 

[Rowan18]

Isn't it a zero sum game? What Freo lose, Melbourne gain. Given the choice I'd want Melbourne to suffer more because they're proven and them getting better will be harder for us to catch than Freo

Good point. I guess I've kind of written off Melbourne as their forward line is too shit. That might be a bit premature.

 

[InTheWings]

Putting it in terms of what would you trade for pick 2, shows clearly how much Freo would underpay for Jackson. No-one is trading pick 2 for 2 R1 in the mid teens.

This is the same conundrum Geelong faced when we traded for Kelly. People can bitch and moan about what we payed, but Geelong wanted top 10 picks and we gave them no-where near that much value. Geelong had little choice as Freo wasn't much stronger for their draft hand.

It's a different story this year. Especially if we finish last and can control the pre-season draft too. We need to make Freo bleed for Jackson. The type of trade where they sell all their depth for the promise of a gun (he hasn't proven it yet).

We need to do to Freo what they did to us the year before we drafted Kelly, when we virtually had a deal struck and they swept in from left field to muddy the waters, pushing up Kelly's value and causing Geelong to balk at our offer.

 

[ziad]

I hope some of you are right