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List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

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Honestly think our biggest flaw/missing piece is that contested mid, the one who would actually rather the ball bouncing around legs and winning it that way than receiving a clean hitout or handball. The ground ball gets player. Someone who will probably not be our best looking player but get it in the hands of Shuey/Kelly more than they were getting it this year.

In 2018 it was Redden, really lifted and finished 2nd in the BnF and was fantastic in finals, big reason we lept up IMO. That was the best year we'll get out of him, can't see him hitting those heights again. These days would rather him functioning as that 5th mid who kind of tags but is a bit too good for his position, leave him alone at your peril etc.

Looking at midfield compositions (obviously play different styles but reckon Richmond really have the balance right)

Martin > Yeo - Explosive beast type
Shuey - Cotchin - Inside/Outside Pure mid, leader
Kelly - Edwards - Classy mid, can win a contest but you'd rather them delivering it into the 50, can play across half forward if need be
Gaff > McIntosh - winger type, rarely plays a bad game but not really explosive
Sheed - Lambert - icing on top type mid who can kick a sneaky goal
Current Redden > Graham - general mid who can sort of fill a role as needed and play defensive
2018 Rioli - Bolton - scary forward/mid who can get thrown into the centre to really scare teams
Ryan >>>>> Pickett - more of a forward who doesn't really do centre bounces but gets the ball around the ground, Ryan can do a million things Pickett can't though

We need to sort out the Rioli one, get a replacement forward in or get him back (unlikely/impossible next year)

But the main one for me is Prestia - ???

It's not Redden anymore, or at least if it is he's not doing it to the level we need, and it's not the last mid we've been putting in there (Ainsworth, O'Neill, Brander) as we've been playing those guys mostly off a wing in weird space guarding roles.

Our balance in there has been off. Not saying we have to play their game style but worth looking at their player composition, they always look so balanced/versatile in there and I don't think it's a coincidence everything clicked for them the year they landed Prestia. Martin aside he's the one I'd most want to be unavailable when we play the Tigers.

We look too silky and not grunty enough as a unit, too much icing on top and not enough cake. Yeo can't do it all, Martin looks better with Prestia taking up some of the grunt work in there. Naitanui is obviously a billion times better than Nank but think we get guilty of playing to him too much and relying on him winning a superb hitout every time, would rather that just be the bonus of having an elite ruck rather than the entire crux of our gameplan, and inevitably we lose momentum when our backup ruck goes in there.

This is basically just an extremely long winded way of saying I'd take Constable. Or at least identify a player we want to be our Prestia. If it's Ainsworth (contested ball apparently being his strength), then play him like that, cause we haven't been. (I don't reckon it is Ainsworth btw). If it's another player let's go after them. It's been Redden at the moment but again don't think that's something he can bring enough anymore, but still think he can offer a lot as a less crucial cog.

Since the Priddis/Selwood days I reckon as fans we've been stuck in the mindset of pace pace pace, kicking skills kicking skills kicking skills as being the thing we always need, but looking at those lineups don't think we actually concede too much in that department.

There's no options we can realistically afford that can be that player and also have Prestias lack of weaknesses (he's not slow and has decent footskills), but there's players out there that can at least offer his strengths. Jed Anderson would be my #1 but Constable would be good and would also have a look at Blakely for this reason, we'd lament his footskills, we'd probably get annoyed as fans but unlike Freo who have a million of him and no Kelly/Shueys, we actually have a role we'd need him to fill.

We're a missing link off I reckon and think it's doable to get someone to play it.
 
Any word on whats happening with Sydney stack>? and would we be interested I guess
 
Plus the Swans desperately need points for Campbell and Goulden. Can’t see them giving away a shitload of them for a journeyman backup ruck.

I am not sure why but Sydney seem to like taking West Coast's 3rd ruckman. We have done it with Seaby, Sinclair and now looks like Hickey.
 

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U just like our rucks in general

There's also Ball

And also your assistant coach

It's a really weird fetish

Swans have almost had more West Coast ruckmen than West Coast have.

Poor Dean Cox is probably a nervous wreck as every week it seems like it is his job to get yelled at by Longmire.
 
Any word on whats happening with Sydney stack>? and would we be interested I guess
He'll stay at the tigers for sure I reckon. Made a small ****-up but he's too good to let go.
 
Tim kelly has had a vasectomy.
 
Tim kelly has had a vasectomy.
Oh ok, thanks for that.:oops:
 
Those knocking Constable’s pace: would you also be interested in coughing up massive picks for Patrick Cripps if he asked to come here? No way he is faster than Constable.
 
Those knocking Constable’s pace: would you also be interested in coughing up massive picks for Patrick Cripps if he asked to come here? No way he is faster than Constable.
No way cripps is slower than constable either .
 
Those knocking Constable’s pace: would you also be interested in coughing up massive picks for Patrick Cripps if he asked to come here? No way he is faster than Constable.
It's not pace that separates Constable from Cripps but there is a fair difference.
I couldn't agree more with everything The Gov so succinctly posted earlier. We sorely need an inside mid who is creative by handball...Perhaps he'd trade his namesake to land Cripps?
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Tell that to Graeme Wright who tried to get CC to Hawthorn last year.
Not our problem.

However we do have a problem with not winning enough contested ball at stoppages and clearances in general.
CC may not be the answer, however if we don't improve in that part of our game in 2021... expect similar results and ladder finish.
A fit Yeo will help in this area ,but he cant do it all alone, we are going to need help from somewhere in this aspect of the game.

I don't mind Constable (though I'm hardly upset he isn't coming here). I just think the Hawks are probably the worst fit for him in the entire league given Mitchell and Worpel are two of their starting mids.

Who am I to question Graeme Wright though?
 
That's basically it. The Jack Clark is in reality a medal for the best leftover/spends the whole year in the colts player.
If you're not playing reserves or league for at least a good chunk of the season then the chances are you are either not that good or will be a late developer who won't be drafted until they are early 20s or so.

Unlike the list of Larke medallists which is a very good indication of a future star.
Agree.

Additionally
- Most of the private school boys play only part of the Colts season so less likely to win.

- Similar, the state U18 squad members also play less games when selected

Adding that up, the medal is for the best of the rest
 
Can someone tell me how Hickey and 49 are worth 22 as well as 52?

49 and 52 pretty much the same.

LOL so a backup ruck is worth pick 22.

Can I smoke some of what you blokes are smoking?

No smoking going on here. At The West maybe. It was a possible trade from a list of three in The West.
It wasn't anyone on the site that made this up.

We all seem to be of the opinion 'do it', which suggests we all think this would be a trade massively in our favour.
 
Just caught up on a few pages worth some good quality banter in there, loved it.

Constable, slid in the draft due to being a poor runner. He went away with a running coach to improve, he is a bit one paced but strong in the contest and very clean disposal. Great hands and good kick both short and long. I'd love him, but think he'll opt for Melbourne club: Saints have always been keen on him and Hawks. He can play half back too, and did a fair bit through the champs but played mostly midfield for Sandy. He's a great footballer, unfortunate to be at a club with a strong midfield.
Is nephew of Mick Malthouse.

I think we should definitely be into English, he's a massive upgrade on Ainsworth. Good extractor, tackler and can play half fwd. He'll bring pressure!
Won Jack Clarke medal as a underager! Was really strong in VFL last year, regularly in the tigers best in his first season. Likely a victim of lack of games this year, plus likely competing with Aarts, Higgins for seniors. Coming into his 3rd year and due for a pay rise but tigers salary cap would be bursting.
He's free and would be a great pick up.
 
Tim kelly has had a vasectomy.

Add it to the list of groin injuries we’ve had this year?
 

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Tim kelly has had a vasectomy.


Knew we should have folded after round 2
 
If Freo are picking up the tab for part of his pay packet WC could get good value mid out of Connor Blakely.
 
If Freo are picking up the tab for part of his pay packet WC could get good value mid out of Connor Blakely.
I would value him the most if he is not on our list
 
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