Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[GoTheMightyCrows]

You either die anti clique, or live long enough to become the clique

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I like option C:- BigFooty Visionary

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Because the idea that if you have skills and uniqueness you will get rewarded isn't true. People that have made it to the top or simply landed there by being born in to it, will do their everything to monopolise it rather than share the market, even if what you do is different enough to stand on its own.

Capitalism is greed.

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I feel like you're expanding my idea out beyond how I had intended it.

If you have a scarce set of skills that are valued in the market by multiple companies you will be able to command a higher salary than someone with a more common set of skills, other things being relatively equal. That's all I'm saying, and of course there are individual situations this doesn't apply to such as nepotism or discrimination.

 

[Lagooner]

A rational argument is not simply saying something something on average, that's a basic metric.

I can argue the average BMW uses more petrol than the average 70s American muscle car, because of all those fighter plane engines that made in the world wars, but that's not a proper representation of which type of vehicle is more environmentally friendly.

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Comparing fuel efficiencies between cars and planes would be about as relevant as comparing the earning capacities of humans and dogs.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Comparing fuel efficiencies between cars and planes would be about as relevant as comparing the earning capacities of humans and dogs.

 

[Lagooner]

Getting more done than half the melons I work with everyday.

 

[edgie]

I forgot how this all started that was a few beers ago

I'll have a Woodstock Longy thanks

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[bomberclifford]

Mrs B earns more than me. Mainly because she has skills and knowledge that not a lot of people have. She also does work that needs to be done but not a lot of people want to do.

She also spent ten years as a stay at home mum where I was the sole bread winner. Her choice.

Based on our social network, we’re not unusual.

I know this is an ultra micro comparison, but she’d need to earn a million bucks (roughly) just before she’s caught up to my ‘lifetime’ earning average. It won’t matter to her specifically, because our finances are entwined completely, a situation that is very unlikely to change until one of us dies, but her contribution to the ‘gap’ statistic doesn’t tell the whole story.

Some people look at the issue way too simplistically, boiling it down to sound bites about ‘the patriarchy’ etc, which achieves nothing.

IMO the issue will resolve organically as more and more women move further into the high earning professions. Something that has been happening at a rapidly increasing rate for the past two decades.

 

[dirty2]

You either die anti clique, or live long enough to become the clique

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So there's still hope for me to join the clique ?

 

[edgie]

So there's still hope for me to join the clique ?

If you go far enough left, you get your guns back?

Is there a right equivalent to this?


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[dirty2]

If you go far enough left, you get your guns back?

Is there a right equivalent to this?


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It's gets confusing... How far left is left... Is slightly left central right? I'm only a simple port supporter.

 

[JimmyBC]

So far left they've left the building.

 

[Janus]

Speaking of capitalist companies - I found this amusing:

 

[PowerBaz]

You are confusing a pay gap with what careers women choose to pursue. It's a free world, there are no restrictions on women doing any jobs. Because so many work in unskilled jobs isn't really a pay gap, that's a role gap. Women are perfectly able to do almost any job a man can. They just don't, for whatever reason. Namely perceived societal norms.

A lot of work is being done to incentivize women to pursue more skilled jobs, lots of programs and support to try and bridge the role gap. Pregnancy is not really a barrier anymore either. There is a lot in place for that including backfilling etc. A natural handicap exists for women who do manual jobs and are pregnant, however. Not much we can do about that one.

Morrison would love the ladies at home cooking meals and ironing so he can come home from work, say a prayer over the dinner table, then sit in his recliner waiting to be served tinned fruit with ice cream…..

 

[Papa G]

Mrs B earns more than me. Mainly because she has skills and knowledge that not a lot of people have. She also does work that needs to be done but not a lot of people want to do.

She also spent ten years as a stay at home mum where I was the sole bread winner. Her choice.

Based on our social network, we’re not unusual.

I know this is an ultra micro comparison, but she’d need to earn a million bucks (roughly) just before she’s caught up to my ‘lifetime’ earning average. It won’t matter to her specifically, because our finances are entwined completely, a situation that is very unlikely to change until one of us dies, but her contribution to the ‘gap’ statistic doesn’t tell the whole story.

Some people look at the issue way too simplistically, boiling it down to sound bites about ‘the patriarchy’ etc, which achieves nothing.

IMO the issue will resolve organically as more and more women move further into the high earning professions. Something that has been happening at a rapidly increasing rate for the past two decades.

The catch up rate is enormous too. We are a similar genre Boober. When I was a kid, primary school late 70s early to mid 80s, virtually all our mothers were housewives. Husbands worked, women stayed home and looked after the kids. That was normal. Women with children weren't expected to work. That has sysmestically changed in the space of 2 generations.

 

[Papa G]

Not sure sysmestically is a word. Have been on the drink since midday.

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]

Morrison would love the ladies at home cooking meals and ironing so he can come home from work, say a prayer over the dinner table, then sit in his recliner waiting to be served tinned fruit with ice cream…..

I'd say some of the ladies would also love to have that lifestyle of staying home and looking after their partner.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I'm not sure this is making the point you think it is. Girls are dominating academically yet still they're paid 15%~ less than their male counterparts?
Doesn't that prove that something isn't working correctly?

If companies could cut 15% of their wage costs simply by hiring woman instead of men, then men wouldn't have jobs.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Bloody hell Papa it’s about average earning capacity over working life. No one’s arguing that barista with dick gets 15% more than barista sans dick. C’mon you’re not that dim.

*cough* US Women's Soccer Team *cough*

 

[Harlott]

I'd say some of the ladies would also love to have that lifestyle of staying home and looking after their partner.

So would some blokes.

 

[snozulu]

Booked in for my booster jab next week as it's already been more than 6 months.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I agree that at this stage, it's mostly a generational thing that will sort itself out over time. No woman is getting paid less than a man in the same role.

However, there's still a massive issue surrounding maternity leave and returning to work and part time work with young children etc where organisations don't want to deal with it and will effectively force women into putting their career on hold, and while the rules don't differentiate men from women, it's absolutely women who it happens to 98% of the time and it means they get pigeonholed into roles that can be done part time while they do have young kids and then it's much more difficult for them to move up through the organisational hierarchy afterwards.

There needs to be a lot more support for people being employed in high level positions part time. There is so much "oh that role can't be done part time" or "oh that job can't be job shared" in all sorts of industries where that's complete bullshit. A job is simply a set of tasks and responsibilities that need to be completed, and moving forward organisations need to be more flexible. A huge cultural change is needed across society really.

 

[edgie]

Why are women the ones needing part time work to balance home duties?

I'd happily do it. Happily.

Maybe a lot of familes are still ok with maintaining some forms, albeit more mild, of traditional gender roles?

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[El_Scorcho]

Why are women the ones needing part time work to balance home duties?

I'd happily do it. Happily.

Maybe a lot of familes are still ok with maintaining some forms, albeit more mild, of traditional gender roles?

It's not technically gendered but ultimately women will usually take the parental leave because of feeding and/or societal norms.

Even if dudes started being stay at home dads en masse, it's still not fair that people have children and workplaces refuse to be flexible and welcoming in relation to part time work.

The 40 hour work week is already an absolute sham where just about everyone spends a lot of their time looking busy and not actually doing work, and this is just an extension of that.

 

[PAFC66]

 

[PAFC66]

I can see ken Hinkley voting for Craig Kelly UAP, I reckon he'd say "he's a good bloke that Craig , gets a bad rap, he really works hard, he cares you know..."