Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[Schulzenfest]

It can be.
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No it can't!

 

[OneGreatClub]

Debate is not always good.

Malcolm Roberts and Craig Kelly "debating" climate change science isn't good.
Clive Palmer importing 50,000 tonnes of hydroxy to go to landfill because he watched videos isn't good.

There are people who want to debate chemtrails, 5g, flat earth etc. This adds zero value to humanity as the science is already settled. They are simply uneducated or brain defective.

Covid is not quite at that level. Vaccines aren't the be all and end all and they certainly aren't perfect but they're what we have. If there are other treatments that prove equally or more effective that will come out in the clinical trials. Peer reviewed and appropriately sourced research is always worth looking at. Hot takes from Parler and US fraudsters are not. Even if one day they do stumble upon something they have so utterly destroyed their credibility with the utter nonsense, bad science and misrepresentation

Oh yeah, and G0twotheD3s334ves calling people maggots and threating to bash them isn't meaningful debate either.

Pretty decent post, this

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

The first case of what’s now the fastest-growing coronavirus strain in the UK has been detected in Australia, with more infections set to follow as international borders reopen.
The variant, known as AY. 4.2 or “Delta plus”, was found in a case in NSW hotel quarantine. So far it’s the only Covid-19 infection with that strain across the nation.
While the Delta subtype was first identified overseas in July, it now makes up about 10 per cent of virus samples taken in the UK, according to health officials. Experts say it appears to be 10 to 15 per cent more transmissible than the original Delta variant.
Australia’s chief health officer Paul Kelly told reporters last week that “close vigilance” was being kept on the mutation, after a former senior US official said “urgent research” was needed.
But, Professor Kelly said, “to be clear (Delta plus) is not a ‘variant of interest’ or a ‘variant of concern’ at the moment”.
Variants of interest and concern are two categories designated by the World Health Organisation (WHO). The former are variants which have genetic changes that have the potential to cause increased transmissibility or illness; the latter are variants that have been proven to do just that.

 

[OneGreatClub]

The education levels in this country are still so poor.

I fear for Texas. The burning of books has a historical ring to it.

 

[backtozero]

You are a sad individual. I pity you. But also, dont come near me you disease carrying fu**.

People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research.

In a yearlong study of 621 people in the U.K. with mild Covid-19, scientists found that their peak viral load was similar regardless of vaccination status, according to a paper published Thursday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal. The analysis also found that 25% of vaccinated household contacts still contracted the disease from an index case, while 38% of those who hadn’t had shots became infected.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

We're all going to be disease carrying ****s at some point. You're not special.

 

[tribey]

'You're gonna die of the poisonous COVID vaccination' isn't really 'debate' though, is it?

Yeah, and I’ve never really understood this angle from a baseline perspective.

If I’m some hippy mother who believes fresh air and moonbeams is all my child needs and I don’t wish to inject them with ‘pOiSoN’ under any circumstances, I’d be hoping everyone else’s did so they could bludge off their conferred herd immunity. Polio is all but eradicated, but there are a litany of VPD’s that are no joke — pertussis, meningococcal, measles, the list goes on.

The idea that you personally don’t want to take a vaccine (COVID or otherwise), but will actively campaign against other’s right to do so with a broad smorgasbord of fearmongering and disinformation, or in extreme cases, have vaccination centres violently shut down as we’ve seen in the States — is certifiably bonkers.

It’s like choosing not to wash your hands after using the loo, and then actively campaigning for the restaurant industry and medical fraternity to do the same.

 

[tribey]

People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research.

According to that study, only in breakthrough cases.

They themselves conclude:



So you’re still magnitudes less likely to catch it (or suffer extreme consequences) — and therefore become an infective breakthrough case — with the vaccine on board.

Just the other day i caught a nice little table that suggests a 200-fold protective mechanism in two people that are fully-vaxxed:



Source: https://theconversation.com/your-un...RDHDqKBDroBmzIDmx0WifVfG97V3DLJ3Yn8EvkhmTvaZk

 

[backtozero]

According to that study, only in breakthrough cases.

They themselves conclude:

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So you’re still magnitudes less likely to catch it (or suffer extreme consequences) — and therefore become an infective breakthrough case — with the vaccine on board.

Just the other day i caught a nice little table that suggests a 200-fold protective mechanism in two people that are fully-vaxxed:

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Source: https://theconversation.com/your-un...RDHDqKBDroBmzIDmx0WifVfG97V3DLJ3Yn8EvkhmTvaZk

Breakthrough infections seem to be quite common, thats why the conversation shifted from the vaccine protecting you from getting covid to "you'll still get it but the symptoms won't be so severe as to land you in the ICU."

Anyway, I've had 2 shots but I find the whole god complex some are displaying over people that haven't had it to be a bit gross.
If you're vaccinated, you shouldn't be worried about being around those that aren't.

 

[Contested Marx]

According to that study, only in breakthrough cases.

They themselves conclude:

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So you’re still magnitudes less likely to catch it (or suffer extreme consequences) — and therefore become an infective breakthrough case — with the vaccine on board.

Just the other day i caught a nice little table that suggests a 200-fold protective mechanism in two people that are fully-vaxxed:

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Source: https://theconversation.com/your-un...RDHDqKBDroBmzIDmx0WifVfG97V3DLJ3Yn8EvkhmTvaZk

That's nice but I'm not going to believe you until I see it on Dr. Mumbert BLOGSPOT'S YouTube interview with Ms Overbite NATRAPATH and Professor MAPLECHARM'S in which they and 7 other experts discuss Actual Factual Facts that the science and statistics community suppress because reasons

 

[tribey]

Breakthrough infections seem to be quite common, thats why the conversation shifted from the vaccine protecting you from getting covid to "you'll still get it but the symptoms won't be so severe as to land you in the ICU."

Because the infectivity of Delta more than doubled unfortunately. One unvaccinated person with Delta will infect 7 people. One with the original strain will infect 3. Ergo, had we been able to get high vax uptake with the original strain we’d be laughing.

But obviously more cases = more mutations, which it goes without saying, makes vaccinating and reducing the risk of infection paramount.

Anyway, I've had 2 shots but I find the whole god complex some are displaying over people that haven't had it to be a bit gross.

Sure, but I know personally I’m sick of the past 20 years of anti-vax bullsh¡t and all the galaxybrained conspiracy nonsense that goes with it. One of the greatest achievements of human ingenuity and muhfuhs are really going to their grave believing they did the right thing because Bill Gates didn’t get that XBox360 into their arm.

If you're vaccinated, you shouldn't be worried about being around those that aren't.

Those who choose to be unvaccinated are the primary infective threat — as you’ve pointed out, the current vaccines aren’t a magic shield and can lead to breakthrough cases which can also contribute to spread (not ideal if you’ve done the right thing and have a pregnant wife, or an immunocompromised child, etc). So it’s natural that there will still be a level of concern there.

And most importantly, the unvaccinated are also the most likely to go to hospital and need ICU care, which at the extreme end, might mean medical rationing if it comes to it (unlikely now with the high vax takeup).

We already have a ramping crisis and extreme ER waiting times in this state without COVID, with paramedics graffito-tagging their ambulances with slogans calling for the government to react.

If the state’s wards and ICU’s are dealing with 100’s of acutely ill COVID patients, ambulance call times and ER wait times will blow out (further), elective surgeries will cease, screening clinics either pause or are shifted over to less effective Telehealth, and so on.

Basically, you’ve done the right thing but you could potentially miss out on or have delayed medical care because some moron thinks it’s all a hoax because a company’s share price logically went up.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Getting vaccinated means you're not only protecting yourself, but also your family, friends and the wider community. That's true even if you fall in a low risk group. You're making a decision for the greater good of society.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Imagine not getting a whooping cough/diphtheria/tetanus jab with a baby on the way because whatever insane reasoning that buffoon in this thread throws out.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Breakthrough infections seem to be quite common, thats why the conversation shifted from the vaccine protecting you from getting covid to "you'll still get it but the symptoms won't be so severe as to land you in the ICU."

Anyway, I've had 2 shots but I find the whole god complex some are displaying over people that haven't had it to be a bit gross.
If you're vaccinated, you shouldn't be worried about being around those that aren't.

Not exactly true, because even milder cases of covid19, while they might not end up in ICU ventilated or ECMO etc they can still have a very nasty experience and potential long covid to boot. It is better for the vaccinated to avoid the unvaccinated where possible, especially in indoor environments, or at least mask up to further reduce risk of transmission.
My niece fully vaccinated in UK, young and fit, not overweight was unlucky and caught it, was sick, coughing, exhausted, breathless for 2 weeks bedbound and still not feeling 100% weeks later. Maybe she was one of the unlucky ones.

 

[tribey]

Imagine not getting a whooping cough/diphtheria/tetanus jab with a baby on the way because whatever insane reasoning that buffoon in this thread throws out.

Didn’t he say he was planning on getting one? Just not the current ones? I think the subsequent outbursts are just (abusive) adolescent contrarianism.

 

[edgie]

Remember when you could catch a week ban for daring to criticise overlord Trump?

The golden era

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[backtozero]

Sure, but I know personally I’m sick of the past 20 years of anti-vax bullsh¡t and all the galaxybrained conspiracy nonsense that goes with it. One of the greatest achievements of human ingenuity and muhfuhs are really going to their grave believing they did the right thing because Bill Gates didn’t get that XBox360 into their arm.

I know you feel that way but do you accept that there are people that have never been anti-vax before, that don't believe in Bill Gates conspiracies, that have concerns over these covid vaccines specifically? There's been people that have ended up with issues like myocarditis and pericarditis and that can be a concern without someone being a antivaxer. You actually end up with people on the opposite end of the spectrum that think these things aren't happening and all you have to worry about is a sore arm. I don't agree with the weaponised attacks on people that are just trying to deal with the information available to them.

And before anyone replies, yes I know those conditions are rare, but a risk is still a risk.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[tribey]

I know you feel that way but do you accept that there are people that have never been anti-vax before, that don't believe in Bill Gates conspiracies, that have concerns over these covid vaccines specifically? There's been people that have ended up with issues like myocarditis and pericarditis and that can be a concern without someone being a antivaxer. You actually end up with people on the opposite end of the spectrum that think these things aren't happening and all you have to worry about is a sore arm. I don't agree with the weaponised attacks on people that are just trying to deal with the information available to them.

That’s true, but as with anything there’s relative risk and risk versus benefit — and humans are notoriously bad at calculating it.

The example I tend to fall back on is people who are deathly afraid of flying on a domestic commercial jetliner even once, but think nothing of getting behind the wheel umpteen times a week — the odds of dying on that (or any) flight are astronomical, but their risk of dying in a motor vehicle accident over their lifetime is around 1-in-100. At the end of the day they still have to get where they have to go, but their assessment is ass-backwards.

The same (give or take, depending on any history of anaphylaxis) is same of vaccines.

Statistically you may suffer a highly unlikely adverse effect from the vaccine, but you’re magnitudes more likely to suffer a complication or worse from becoming infected with a VPD. Whether you’re ‘young, fit and healthy’ or an obese geriatric.

And what’s also not factored into the risk assessment, is each risk that comes with various medical treatments and interventions once infected — they obviously don’t just rub patients with a lettuce leaf and hope for the best.

 

[Papa G]

Maybe a healthy 30 year old realises that statisticalky COVID is virtually no threat to him?

 

[backtozero]

That’s true, but as with anything there’s relative risk and risk versus benefit — and humans are notoriously bad at calculating it.

The example I tend to fall back on is people who are deathly afraid of flying on a domestic commercial jetliner even once, but think nothing of getting behind the wheel umpteen times a week — the odds of dying on that (or any) flight are astronomical, but their risk of dying in a motor vehicle accident over their lifetime is around 1-in-100. At the end of the day they still have to get where they have to go, but their assessment is ass-backwards.

The same (give or take, depending on any history of anaphylaxis) is same of vaccines.

Statistically you may suffer a highly unlikely adverse effect from the vaccine, but you’re magnitudes more likely to suffer a complication or worse from becoming infected with a VPD. Whether you’re ‘young, fit and healthy’ or an obese geriatric.

And what’s also not factored into the risk assessment, is each risk that comes with various medical treatments and interventions once infected — they obviously don’t just rub patients with a lettuce leaf and hope for the best.

Fears aren't always rational. A fear of flying is a deep psychological phobia. You can only give people the best information and let them make the decision for themselves.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research.

In a yearlong study of 621 people in the U.K. with mild Covid-19, scientists found that their peak viral load was similar regardless of vaccination status, according to a paper published Thursday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal. The analysis also found that 25% of vaccinated household contacts still contracted the disease from an index case, while 38% of those who hadn’t had shots became infected.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

We're all going to be disease carrying fu**s at some point. You're not special.

Ssshhh don’t ruin their vaccine hero status.


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[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Didn’t he say he was planning on getting one? Just not the current ones? I think the subsequent outbursts are just (abusive) adolescent contrarianism.

This


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[tribey]

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Please upload your vaccine selfie showing your arms crossed.

 

[tribey]

Maybe a healthy 30 year old realises that statisticalky COVID is virtually no threat to him?

The Duran Raman method!

 

[tribey]

Fears aren't always rational.

I wholly concur.