Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Israel is highly vaccinated and the source of one large and substantive study indicating the vaccines' efficacy depletion over disturbingly limited time frames. The third shot booster schedule is already beginning and formal talk is active regarding a fourth.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

There is no objective basis for assuming the recorded diminishment in the efficacy of all of the vaccines will not be ongoing.

4th lmaooo, who’ll be lining up ? Not me NO DEAL X


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[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Microsoft founder Bill Gates warns of bioterrorist attacks and urges world leaders to use 'germ games' to prepare in interview with Jeremy Hunt

Bill Gates, who is the fourth richest man in the world, said "tens of billions" will need to be spent in research and development to prepare for the next pandemic.

news.sky.com

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[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Bill Gates, he comes right out of a comic book.


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[Doctor Feel]

Bill Gates interacts well

 

[OneGreatClub]

Bill Gates, he comes right out of a comic book.


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Isn’t he a Reptilian

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Isn’t he a Reptilian

He doesn’t wear a cape, so yeah , he a reptile of the highest order.


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[wallumi]

The movie “Dark waters” answers that question
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Indeed. People seem oblivious to the nature and ubiquity of conspiracy ongoing within corporate and political action on an every day basis.

The 'one universal world conspiracy' is a straw man confected to make everyone look away from all the real ones that are constantly underway, and to invoke a reflex negative reaction to any clear description of such machination. Inoculating the population with this strawman mega-conspiracy concept functions almost like a conceptual vaccine. Start joining the dots within any situation and all the 'Conspiracy Theorist' anti-bodies jump up to destroy rational assessment and speculation.

It seems evident that sometimes many medium size conspiracies overlap or find opportunistic synergy and then shit erupts at an even larger scale than normal. Curiously such shit-shows get even better protection from the distributed 'Conspiracy Theory' vaccine. There is evidence that the CIA distributed this now entrenched memetic in conjunction with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. They certainly had a lot to conceal at the time and thereafter.

Who's going to say that the CIA doesn't conspire against the public interest? Surely someone here has their mind so far open that their brains have fallen out sufficiently to deny that. Come on. Someone?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Indeed. People seem oblivious to the nature and ubiquity of conspiracy ongoing within corporate and political action on an every day basis.

The 'one universal world conspiracy' is a straw man confected to make everyone look away from all the real ones that are constantly underway, and to invoke a reflex negative reaction to any clear description of such machination. Inoculating the population with this strawman mega-conspiracy concept functions almost like a conceptual vaccine. Start joining the dots within any situation and all the 'Conspiracy Theorist' anti-bodies jump up to destroy rational assessment and speculation.

It seems evident that sometimes many medium size conspiracies overlap or find opportunistic synergy and then sh*t erupts at an even larger scale than normal. Curiously such sh*t-shows get even better protection from the distributed 'Conspiracy Theory' vaccine. There is evidence that the CIA distributed this now entrenched memetic in conjunction with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. They certainly had a lot to conceal at the time and thereafter.

Who's going to say that the CIA doesn't conspire against the public interest? Surely someone here has their mind so far open that their brains have fallen out sufficiently to deny that. Come on. Someone?

Hey I watched all the series of Homeland so I concur.

 

[wallumi]

Yes I see that now, hundreds but unclickable which is useless to me, including the Ivermectin in India ‘proof’ which so many antivax ivermectin lovers quote but which has been disputed now as there were many other factors involved.
Gee he even threw in another anti vax talking point… the foetal cell line.
It appears to me a disjointed but meant to impress list of all the anti vax stuff he could find.

Anyway you are entitled to your views and I am sure you and Janus will become gread buddies when he returns. He is definitely right on your wave length.

As for me, I have read a lot of this alternative stuff. I am not a scientist, nor am I really that good these days at critiquing or reviewing studies, my uni days are long gone, but I have sent Spartacus’ page to a couple of virologists whether they will read it and respond I don’t know. They are good at sorting the wheat from the chaff.

The links are clickable in some versions, but cut and pasting into separate pages works best for review as well as functionality.

The foetal cell issue seems noted as an aside that some people might have issue. It seems apparent that he is not personally disturbed by that factor. If correct it would be a significant deceit to not disclose that status to certain religious groupings. It would be quite unethical, indeed heinous, to refuse a religious exemption when the vaccine does not effectively deliver herd immunity even at high vaccination rates (as per the Israel study findings).

I'd look forward to any response to it from your virologist friends. Rebuttal on the web is scant. The only one I've seen formatted as such, as distinct from random forum discussion, is brain-numbingly facile. As I've noted, I take each of the document's sections severally.

 

[wallumi]

And no objective basis for the opposite wouldn’t you say?

I can agree with that. However the resulting ambivalence should invoke the precautionary principle, which in turn invalidates your 'slippery slope' premise.

 

[wallumi]

Hey I watched all the series of Homeland so I concur.

And that's their good side!

 

[wallumi]

And no objective basis for the opposite wouldn’t you say?

Actually, I can't agree with that. Recent studies are an objective basis for assuming need for an ongoing vaccine regime, which is precisely where Israeli authorities are now at.

 

[wallumi]

Bill Gates interacts well

I see what you did there.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Actually, I can't agree with that. Recent studies are an objective basis for assuming need for an ongoing vaccine regime, which is precisely where Israeli authorities are now at.

Au contraire, the jury is out so as I said your statement about requiring 2 3 or 4 boosters per years definitely slippery slope.

 

[Lagooner]

If only what? The Pfizer that was meant to come here got redirected to Europe who were seeing much more Covid. Not his fault.
Astrazenecas Bad PR was worldwide. Again not his fault.

You’re forgetting that they were late to the party. Pfizer already had deals with the UK and US by July 2020 but the Australian government weren’t on board until November. By that point we could only get our hands on 10 million doses initially.

They were clearly betting on AstraZ and UQ. When the UQ clamping tech started returning false positives for HIV they suddenly had all their eggs in the one basket. It was bungled.

 

[Portology]

A Carlton player has refused to be vaccinated.

be more worried if they were from Essendon really

 

[edgie]

Lol you'd have to be naive as **** or thick as a brick to reckon one booster shot and that's that.

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[Portology]

Think what you like. Fact is though both served to manipulate and conceal public interest outcomes.

The new products gain a status as vaccines that is not afforded to therapeutic drugs. That status required redefinition of the standards, just as VW made their diesels appear 'clean' by redefinition of on-board monitoring standards. The only real difference was VW's relatively limited power to enforce that new definition.

This relates directly to vaccine efficacy, and not to their mRNA configuration and issues contingent particularly to that. mRNA status may particularly correlate to lack of efficacy, or it may not.

bot-llumi, why are your sentences so false equivalently balanced?

also, I'm from the lower ponds of the IT industry, where the kind of thing VW did with engine software was standard practice for every hardware manufacturer's compiler writers ever since lumpen "standards" bodies like SPEC and TPC started trying to publish "real world" workload benchmarks back in the late 1980s and engaged in a perpetually catch up then lose race to limit blatant cheating it wasn't news for me, it was a totally unexpected bout of frigging nostalgia.

 

[Portology]

Lol you'd have to be naive as fu** or thick as a brick to reckon one booster shot and that's that.

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yeah the thing could never possibly - shock horror - mutate "usefully" within any of the types of population reservoirs that we've stupidly, unavoidably and/or inevitably left for it, could it?

if we needed to get an annual shot against a mutating Flubola there would still be a few pointless, prickless contrarians out there. and if the very first vacc invented against a flubola turned out to have - shock horror - a half life instead of perpetual efficacy, it would still "be better than the alternative" so to speak

and if we need to sneak a few million lives past toxic hesitancy and fake newsery and past some of the worse posters on here by calling a booster "a" booster and not "the" booster which might suggest only one ever as if we could really "know" that like some frigging Bible student and then get hung for sciencing - shock horror - the need for another one, so be it.

 

[snozulu]

I would like to say i underestimated the side effects of the Pfizer booster shot. I thought i would be ok until i got home from work yesterday. It seems to be giving me every side effect possible. Hot and cold sweats, body aches, Swollen nodes in left armpit, headache, fatigue, loss of appetite and diarrhea.

 

[wallumi]

Lol you'd have to be naive as fu** or thick as a brick to reckon one booster shot and that's that.

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What state of mind would you have to accept a permanent regime of repetitive jabs for a pathogen that has an overall Infection Fatality Rate of <1%?

Moreover, what would be the mental state that accepted the same regime for children whose IFR is calculated at many orders of magnitude less than that?

What about mandating such a regime of jabs for people post infection when the studies are showing these people have better and more durable immunity than the jabs provide?

Is there point where this all gets plainly silly, or do we completely and permanently surrender our capacity for critical thinking and open discussion on the basis of a declared emergency? Is there a point of logical disconnect where you'd at least query the process?

 

[wallumi]

bot-llumi, why are your sentences so false equivalently balanced?

Your clever wordplay is flattering. As for the question, its meaning isn't at all clear. You'll have to provide example(s).

also, I'm from the lower ponds of the IT industry, where the kind of thing VW did with engine software was standard practice for every hardware manufacturer's compiler writers ever since lumpen "standards" bodies like SPEC and TPC started trying to publish "real world" workload benchmarks back in the late 1980s and engaged in a perpetually catch up then lose race to limit blatant cheating it wasn't news for me, it was a totally unexpected bout of frigging nostalgia.

You accept then that the practice exists and is widespread. It's no different to Govt changing the calculus for unemployment or inflation benchmarks to corral unwanted realities into belief images more likely to furnish their own political aims. It seems quaintly naive then to think that medical authorities, which like all US public Depts are highly politicised and comprise a revolving door of corporate reps, wouldn't do the same to facilitate desired public impressions.

 

[RossFC]

People say that the 2nd jab is stronger than the 1st, but what about booster shots? Is it stronger, weaker or the same as the 2nd jab?

 

[Lagooner]

What state of mind would you have to accept a permanent regime of repetitive jabs for a pathogen that has an overall Infection Fatality Rate of <1%?

Moreover, what would be the mental state that accepted the same regime for children whose IFR is calculated at many orders of magnitude less than that?

What about mandating such a regime of jabs for people post infection when the studies are showing these people have better and more durable immunity than the jabs provide?

Is there point where this all gets plainly silly, or do we completely and permanently surrender our capacity for critical thinking and open discussion on the basis of a declared emergency? Is there a point of logical disconnect where you'd at least query the process?

What state of mind would be so alarmed by perpetual boosters when they have been the norm for decades wrt the flu shot?

What would be the mental state that would completely ignore all the other potential impacts of coronavirus infection apart from the most extreme i.e. chance of their own death when calculating the risk for themselves and those around them?

The logical disconnect you have exhibited is quite… *flicks through word of the day calendar* …discombobulating.

 

[Portology]

People say that the 2nd jab is stronger than the 1st, but what about booster shots? Is it stronger, weaker or the same as the 2nd jab?

What “people say” is actually that they feel different levels of any side effects after the two doses. That recollection probably sticks a little more in the memory because we humans like to inflate the magnitude of small differences, and because those who don’t notice any difference are a little less inclined to yap about it, and because boring information “meh, no difference” is less viral.

As for the doses, poking about ATAGI shows that Pfizer, Moderna and AZ all currently recommend identical doses for their respective jabs 1 and 2. Didn’t see any note about a booster being any different.

I recall reportage of an initial result in late AZ trials where a smaller initial dose gave better efficacy for that vaccine - but it turned out to be an experimental error.

No doc here of course but taking all that together I don’t expect booster or ongoing shots to be different, unless of course they get tweaked to cover future variants.


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