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[Tiger Toffee]

Thousands going to Phillip Island to holiday houses when they should be at home,us Victorians are incredibly selfish and stupid.


Watch the virus spread there now.

Won’t they have cops stopping that though?

Pretty easy place to quarantine .
People have been specifically told NOT to go to holiday homes though, so they are idiots.

I'm not expecting it to take off there though.
The demographic of those spreading it doesn't scream holiday home in Cowes to me .

True.
But I’d have thought there would be a checkpoint or is Phillip Island within the restriction border?

They were only doing what they are ALLOWED to do.

Rule is................

If you are on holiday before 11:59pm July 8, you are ALLOWED to continue your holiday so no they are not idiots, stupid or selfish, they are just doing what the government ALLOWED them to do.

Just like the people gathering in houses recently, they were only doing what they were ALLOWED to do, funny how not one of these clusters were fined for breaking the maximum gathering number but yet Andrews blamed them for the outbreak.

 

[bonddm]

Blimey, check out the new cases in the US!

 

[D-N-R]

According to the Pm, we are all Victorians.

#jesuisvicco

Here’s another concern for the AFL...backlash. I wondered early how long before vics would see the double standard. I agree with the article 100%.

Players’ sunny escape highlights AFL elitism
Susie O'BrienHerald Sun
Tuesday, 7 July 2020 10:17AM

Most of us can’t fly anywhere, but AFL stars and club officials have packed their surfboards and golf clubs and winged their way to freedom. It’s an unfair and disgraceful situation, writes Susie O’Brien.
Except for AFL players, most of whom escaped our virus-ridden state over the weekend, headed for resorts on the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and New South Wales.
Players and club officials packed their surfboards and golf clubs, and flew off to spend five weeks in the sun training, playing and relaxing.
Most of us can’t fly anywhere, but players winged their way to freedom.
How can this be allowed? I’m a footy fan, but in the current climate it is unacceptable.
Non-AFL players can’t go to Queensland, NSW or any other state.
Some people in the north and western suburbs can’t go anywhere at all.
Those in high-rise commission towers can’t even leave their flats.
They’re are treated like prisoners and confined to their homes.
But AFL players are exempt from the strict lockdown rules that apply to everyone else.
The rest of us have lost the right to decide where we go and when, but they’re allowed to flee.
It’s an unfair and disgraceful situation.
Hawthorn’s Shaun Burgoyne takes a swim at Coogee in Sydney on Monday after their Sunday game against the Giants. Picture. Phil Hillyard Credit: News Corp AustraliaHawthorn players enjoying the Coogee sunshine on Monday. Credit: News Corp Australia, Phil HillyardBulldogs players leave Melbourne behind. Credit: News Corp Australia, Wayne Taylor
AFL players have always been judged on a different standard to others, but it’s now more stark than ever.
AFL players were even allowed to move out of lockdown suburbs so they could continue to play.
As people from suburbs such as Broadmeadows, Brunswick West and Keilor Downs were sent back to isolation, players were quickly moved out.
North Melbourne rushed to relocate 16 players and staff last Wednesday before the midnight deadline so they could travel to NSW if they needed to.
Non-AFL residents did not have this luxury, and were told they’d be fined $1600 if they left their homes for non-essential reasons.
Those from lockdown suburbs were told they’d be fined $11,000 for going to NSW.
Things are worse than they have ever been in this state.
AFL players off to play in sunny Queensland. Credit: AAP, Getty
As I write, the border with NSW and Victoria has just been closed for the first time in a century, two more people have died from the virus and we had 127 new cases on Sunday night.
There are now more than 650 active cases and more than 30 people in hospital.
Premier Daniel Andrews, under pressure for his mishandling of hotel quarantine security, is talking tough, telling each of us to “do the right thing”.
Meanwhile, elite footballers are living it up in luxury resorts.
We thought footy would make us feel better, but the special considerations and separate rules imposed on players and officials are making us feel worse.
All of these measures fuel the perception AFL players are above everyone else.
Making matters worse is the fact a number of AFL players have abused their privileged status.
The AFL set COVID-19 protocols requiring players to stay home and not mix with others, but a handful of them couldn’t stick to the rules.
Steele Sidebottom went to a mate’s house and got drunk. Credit: AAP
Essendon’s Conor McKenna visited his former host family.
Steele Sidebottom of Collingwood went to a mate’s house and got drunk, before being found wandering around half-naked in the street.
There’s also the Western Bulldogs’ Lachie Hunter who was charged with drink driving, careless driving and failing to give his name after a car accident in April.
And, of course, Collingwood’s Jordan De Goey, who has been charged by police with indecent assault dating back to 2015, which should be enough to see him sidelined.
And yet he is being told he can join the group after he’s tested negative for the virus twice.
More hypocrisy from the AFL, which is once again showing how worthless its Respect and Responsibility policy is.
The league sacked its own officials who cheated on their wives but they are overlooking this serious charge.
Yes, De Goey deserves the presumption of innocence, but out of respect for the process and the victim, he should be sidelined until the charges are dealt with.
To allow him to play is to undermine the seriousness of the charge.
As others have pointed out, the AFL needs a “no fault” rule like the NRL that stands down players facing charges involving violence against women until they are cleared or convicted.
Meanwhile, players heading in to the hubs want to be congratulated for the sacrifice they are making by heading interstate for at least a month.
Those of us stuck back here don’t feel like we’re the lucky ones.
It’s possible things will get a whole lot worse in Victoria before they get better.
But don’t stress, because the footballers are fine and the weather’s lovely up north.

They're traveling for work, which anyone can do. No different to a FIFO worker.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Here’s another concern for the AFL...backlash. I wondered early how long before vics would see the double standard. I agree with the article 100%.

Players’ sunny escape highlights AFL elitism
Susie O'BrienHerald Sun
Tuesday, 7 July 2020 10:17AM

Most of us can’t fly anywhere, but AFL stars and club officials have packed their surfboards and golf clubs and winged their way to freedom. It’s an unfair and disgraceful situation, writes Susie O’Brien.
Except for AFL players, most of whom escaped our virus-ridden state over the weekend, headed for resorts on the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and New South Wales.
Players and club officials packed their surfboards and golf clubs, and flew off to spend five weeks in the sun training, playing and relaxing.
Most of us can’t fly anywhere, but players winged their way to freedom.
How can this be allowed? I’m a footy fan, but in the current climate it is unacceptable.
Non-AFL players can’t go to Queensland, NSW or any other state.
Some people in the north and western suburbs can’t go anywhere at all.
Those in high-rise commission towers can’t even leave their flats.
They’re are treated like prisoners and confined to their homes.
But AFL players are exempt from the strict lockdown rules that apply to everyone else.
The rest of us have lost the right to decide where we go and when, but they’re allowed to flee.
It’s an unfair and disgraceful situation.
Hawthorn’s Shaun Burgoyne takes a swim at Coogee in Sydney on Monday after their Sunday game against the Giants. Picture. Phil Hillyard Credit: News Corp AustraliaHawthorn players enjoying the Coogee sunshine on Monday. Credit: News Corp Australia, Phil HillyardBulldogs players leave Melbourne behind. Credit: News Corp Australia, Wayne Taylor
AFL players have always been judged on a different standard to others, but it’s now more stark than ever.
AFL players were even allowed to move out of lockdown suburbs so they could continue to play.
As people from suburbs such as Broadmeadows, Brunswick West and Keilor Downs were sent back to isolation, players were quickly moved out.
North Melbourne rushed to relocate 16 players and staff last Wednesday before the midnight deadline so they could travel to NSW if they needed to.
Non-AFL residents did not have this luxury, and were told they’d be fined $1600 if they left their homes for non-essential reasons.
Those from lockdown suburbs were told they’d be fined $11,000 for going to NSW.
Things are worse than they have ever been in this state.
AFL players off to play in sunny Queensland. Credit: AAP, Getty
As I write, the border with NSW and Victoria has just been closed for the first time in a century, two more people have died from the virus and we had 127 new cases on Sunday night.
There are now more than 650 active cases and more than 30 people in hospital.
Premier Daniel Andrews, under pressure for his mishandling of hotel quarantine security, is talking tough, telling each of us to “do the right thing”.
Meanwhile, elite footballers are living it up in luxury resorts.
We thought footy would make us feel better, but the special considerations and separate rules imposed on players and officials are making us feel worse.
All of these measures fuel the perception AFL players are above everyone else.
Making matters worse is the fact a number of AFL players have abused their privileged status.
The AFL set COVID-19 protocols requiring players to stay home and not mix with others, but a handful of them couldn’t stick to the rules.
Steele Sidebottom went to a mate’s house and got drunk. Credit: AAP
Essendon’s Conor McKenna visited his former host family.
Steele Sidebottom of Collingwood went to a mate’s house and got drunk, before being found wandering around half-naked in the street.
There’s also the Western Bulldogs’ Lachie Hunter who was charged with drink driving, careless driving and failing to give his name after a car accident in April.
And, of course, Collingwood’s Jordan De Goey, who has been charged by police with indecent assault dating back to 2015, which should be enough to see him sidelined.
And yet he is being told he can join the group after he’s tested negative for the virus twice.
More hypocrisy from the AFL, which is once again showing how worthless its Respect and Responsibility policy is.
The league sacked its own officials who cheated on their wives but they are overlooking this serious charge.
Yes, De Goey deserves the presumption of innocence, but out of respect for the process and the victim, he should be sidelined until the charges are dealt with.
To allow him to play is to undermine the seriousness of the charge.
As others have pointed out, the AFL needs a “no fault” rule like the NRL that stands down players facing charges involving violence against women until they are cleared or convicted.
Meanwhile, players heading in to the hubs want to be congratulated for the sacrifice they are making by heading interstate for at least a month.
Those of us stuck back here don’t feel like we’re the lucky ones.
It’s possible things will get a whole lot worse in Victoria before they get better.
But don’t stress, because the footballers are fine and the weather’s lovely up north.

Jesus Christ that article is a gigantic crock of shit put forth purely to get a bunch of Karen’s nodding their head and hopping on Facebook to complain.

Anyone else in Vic were more than welcome to head to QLD before the boarders closed and leave their family behind for a month.

My arse she’s a footy fan

 

[Clems Knee]

Give it time to spread some more. The AFL will get tired of musical chairs and quarantining.
The vic teams have been told they are in the hubs for 32 days max. I cannot see the Victorian issue resolving itself in 32 days. Let’s make a market of how many will cop it they have to stay longer, how many go home to vic and whether or not the AFL calls it over.

I think the 32 days may be extended to match the 6 week lockdown in Victoria, which was announced after the 32 day figure. Freo and West Coast got extended by a week when they were went to the hubs.
I don’t think it is any player’s interest to stop the competition. Their livelihoods and the livelihoods of many other people depend on this season going ahead.

 

[Maylandsman]

I think the 32 days may be extended to match the 6 week lockdown in Victoria, which was announced after the 32 day figure. Freo and West Coast got extended by a week when they were went to the hubs.
I don’t think it is any player’s interest to stop the competition. Their livelihoods and the livelihoods of many other people depend on this season going ahead.

True....but...I think you will see players take a stand in the family corner. After 32 days and or any extension.
Jack is already on shaky ground.

 

[Clems Knee]

We don’t want them here, it’s money hungry VFL house that wants then here. A large majority yhink the season should be cancelled.

Yeh, nah.
From the people I know, anyone who loves footy wants this to keep going. We missed footy when it was stopped, and can’t wait to see a live game again.
What gives you the authority to say a large majority of Western Australians think the season should be cancelled?

 

[footyfan1978]

According to the Pm, we are all Victorians.

#jesuisvicco

They're traveling for work, which anyone can do. No different to a FIFO worker.

Could the woman be any dumber ?
Doubt it.
Could not even continue reading article beyond half way through as it just blatantly brain dead stupid.

 

[Maylandsman]

Anyone else in Vic were more than welcome to head to QLD before the boarders closed and leave their family behind for a month.

My arse she’s a footy fan

Bit elitist. How would the people locked up in towers feel about your assertion they could just get up and go to qld (How many even give a hoot about AFL?) So people in vic should just up and leave their families to keep up with AFL players? You paying for the resort accomodation? You speak so eloquently for people in lock down supporting the AF. My guess would be she has hit a chord with many vics.
Karen the footy fan calling people Karen.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Bit elitist. How would the people locked up in towers feel about your assertion they could just get up and go to qld (How many even give a hoot about AFL?) So people in vic should just up and leave their families to keep up with AFL players? You paying for the resort accomodation? You speak so eloquently for people in lock down supporting the AF. My guess would be she has hit a chord with many vics.
Karen the footy fan calling people Karen.

Lol ok, so everything should be shut down then because some people are in lockdown? Because that's what your saying about people being locked up in towers. It has no relevance to my points.

AFL players are having to go interstate for work the same as any other FIFO worker currently doing the same thing. To suggest they should stop working because its not fair to others who are in lockdown is ludicrous

 

[HTT]

So by your convoluted logic every seasonal flu falls into this category because the Flu virus changes every year. Consequently the above questions are unanswered for every virus causing seasonal flu.
By extension and by your own logic every seasonal Flu is more dangerous than the plague - an extreme proposition I would have thought.

Except the flu is vaccinated soooo

 

[jatz14]

Except the flu is vaccinated soooo

Some flu. 4 strains in fact, of the many strains each year.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Bit elitist. How would the people locked up in towers feel about your assertion they could just get up and go to qld (How many even give a hoot about AFL?) So people in vic should just up and leave their families to keep up with AFL players? You paying for the resort accomodation? You speak so eloquently for people in lock down supporting the AF. My guess would be she has hit a chord with many vics.
Karen the footy fan calling people Karen.

AFL players are more important than people living in social housing in Melbourne... that's a fact, surely theres no contention there or have we gone so far into this marxist, i ran-in-a-race indocrination that you honestly think AFL players and the entertainment they provide are worth the same as some dole-bludger?

News flash, some people are more important than others, that's not elitist. That's common sense.

 

[dont bowl there]

Lol ok, so everything should be shut down then because some people are in lockdown? Because that's what your saying about people being locked up in towers. It has no relevance to my points.

AFL players are having to go interstate for work the same as any other FIFO worker currently doing the same thing. To suggest they should stop working because its not fair to others who are in lockdown is ludicrous

I swear people just want everyone to suffer in 2020. Well I am locked down so everyone else should be as well! I got cut back to 4 days so it’s only fair everyone else does. ****ing hell. Nothing like a crisis to bring out the best in people.

If someone can earn a living in 2020 then good for them! Well done and I hope they succeed. The people praying for the season to be cancelled to make them feel better, **** you.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They were only doing what they are ALLOWED to do.

Rule is................

If you are on holiday before 11:59pm July 8, you are ALLOWED to continue your holiday so no they are not idiots, stupid or selfish, they are just doing what the government ALLOWED them to do.

Just like the people gathering in houses recently, they were only doing what they were ALLOWED to do, funny how not one of these clusters were fined for breaking the maximum gathering number but yet Andrews blamed them for the outbreak.

Some of them exceeded the legal gathering size. They should have been fined.
People acting like dicks outside the Commission flats, are meant to stay home ( those suburbs were already locked down ) , they should have been fined.
I remember when Andrews was talking about "family gatherings" and being concerned that me and my kids had taken the time to catch up with my parents.
It was only later that i realised the full extent of that party in Coburg.
Everyone who attended should be fined.

Borderline stuff like Learner Driving was not significant, yet they got fined.

Not sure whether you can fine security guards who failed to socially distance from each other and the hotel guests.

 

[gordo2016]

They were only doing what they are ALLOWED to do.

Rule is................

If you are on holiday before 11:59pm July 8, you are ALLOWED to continue your holiday so no they are not idiots, stupid or selfish, they are just doing what the government ALLOWED them to do.

Just like the people gathering in houses recently, they were only doing what they were ALLOWED to do, funny how not one of these clusters were fined for breaking the maximum gathering number but yet Andrews blamed them for the outbreak.

You are allowed to continue your holiday if you were are already in a holiday house. Packing up, leaving your principal residence and travelling to a holiday house is NOT ALLOWED.

 

[HTT]

Some flu. 4 strains in fact, of the many strains each year.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

Of course. But overall the flu takes years and years to kill the amount of people COVID-19 has in 7 months. It's pretty clear its a dangerous virus.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

You are allowed to continue your holiday if you were are already in a holiday house. Packing up, leaving your principal residence and travelling to a holiday house is NOT ALLOWED.

It is ALLOWED if you did it before the cut off, want to keep arguing because i can go all day on this one.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

AFL players are more important than people living in social housing in Melbourne... that's a fact, surely theres no contention there or have we gone so far into this marxist, i ran-in-a-race indocrination that you honestly think AFL players and the entertainment they provide are worth the same as some dole-bludger?

News flash, some people are more important than others, that's not elitist. That's common sense.

Waaa waaa, i struggled to get a girlfriend and go to Lakes Entrance on holiday, when rockstars got to go anywhere they liked and had a smorgasboard of beauties throwing themselves at them waaa waaa.

How ridiculously stupid and petulant.
Up there with Muuum my friend has a new play station and i don't ....its not faaaaaair.

Suzie O Brian has been writing this sort of hogwash for years.

 

[hebog]

Thousands going to Phillip Island to holiday houses when they should be at home,us Victorians are incredibly selfish and stupid.


Watch the virus spread there now.

The same with the Mornington Peninsula, which is currently covid free.

 

[hebog]

It is ALLOWED if you did it before the cut off, want to keep arguing because i can go all day on this one.

Obviously a loophole Dan Andrews didn’t think of.

 

[Senor M]

The same with the Mornington Peninsula, which is currently covid free.

...not sure if I'm all that sympathetic to the Mornington Peninsula region RE: COVID considering it was one of the original hotspot LGA's back in March and housed many people who simply refused to self-isolate even after they tested positive.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I swear people just want everyone to suffer in 2020. Well I am locked down so everyone else should be as well! I got cut back to 4 days so it’s only fair everyone else does. ******* hell. Nothing like a crisis to bring out the best in people.

If someone can earn a living in 2020 then good for them! Well done and I hope they succeed. The people praying for the season to be cancelled to make them feel better, fu** you.

There's this weird belief that because its "just footy" that its an insult to everyone not able to work. When you consider the impact of industries built around professional sport, 10s of thousands of jobs would rely on the AFL being played.

Would people object to movie or tv stars flying interstate for filming, its just entertainment after all...

Shits me no end

 

[hebog]

...not sure if I'm all that sympathetic to the Mornington Peninsula region RE: COVID considering it was one of the original hotspot LGA's back in March and housed many people who simply refused to self-isolate even after they tested positive.

So everyone who lives there came back from Aspen! That is a stupid comment.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So everyone who lives there came back from Aspen! That is a stupid comment.

I thought so too.

There might be a few minor cases, but i'd also expect that those selling fish n chips , or Pizza will be pretty happy to have more customers.