Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

[Gralin]

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. (Thread part 1 - cont in part 2, link in thread)

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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[Les Malone]

Don't insult me with feigned impartiality; you're as transparent as they come. You went straight to the same old ruse I've seen played out by the least impartial supporters of Trump in the States ... criticism of Trump, regardless of validity, invites immediate departure from a rational discussion of the facts to some inapt reference to Hillary Clinton, before moving on to claims that the person speaking the criticism is merely a media bunny incapable of reason.

This amateurish finagling guised in pseudointellectual cant might make you feel clever down at the local, but it doesn't work with me. If you think I don't have my facts right, then correct the facts and provide some credible evidence. Anything less is just diversionary bullshit.

Insulting you is as easy as disagreeing with you, anyone with any sense of impartiality can see what you have got there in the old US of A is what amounts to a uniparty, anyone attempting to out that fact or not tow the line is destroyed, must be all Trumps fault as he is been there for 3 years or so, whilst Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, McConell etc etc have been there upwards of 30/40 years each.

This scum is just leeching off the taxpayers.

 

[LoungeLizard]

What i find amusing is.

Most people get annoyed when we Americanise our sports etc.

But in this thread there are a hell of a lot of people eager to sprout what America did.

Just goes to show, we shouldn't follow in Americas footsteps.

 

[tige19]

Thoughts on the FDA approving the use of Hydroxquolorcrine? Someone here with more qualifications keen to address it (I know there will be a good 4 or 5 waiting in line to advise)?

 

[Roby]

Sure. Don't deny there are plenty of 'dole bludgers' who are happy to forgo work because JobSeeker and JobKeeper are fairly generous (which was the point, because the Federal government wants more people to stay at home as they work to bring the pandemic under control). I also think the government shouldn't be steadfast to their September deadline and should be flexible to cut it short - or extend it - depending on how the pandemic goes.

But there are a few posters on BigFooty who admit they own a business adversely affected by the coronavirus measures, or have a job that is in serious peril because of steps taken to battle COVID-19, and have been vocal in their opposition to restrictions, downplaying death tolls and case fatality rates, the futility of buying time, the benefit of herd immunity etc.

It's not a one way street.

I probably been the most vocal for full lockdown and I'm starting to feel it.

I have multiple enterprises/business that I OWN that have been affected negatively.

Most of my shares were pulled out early but I've still kept some at significant losses. Although I've made some money back on shorts.

That hasn't stopped my superannuation from dropping heavily.

Ultimately it's just ****ing money. And I'm still here healthy and so is my family that's all that matters.

But even from a selfish financial point of view, I foresaw that a stronger lockdown earlier would turned into a quicker economic recovery.

I think the people against the lockdowns either are:

- ignorant or stupid
- own business/companies but are ignorant or stupid
- own business/companies but any economic shortfall could lead to closure, which means their enterprise was never stable or sound to begin with
- understand the ramifications to a degree but are too selfish or narcissistic to care about anyone else
- some are employed and some are unemployed but do not like authority telling them what to do under any condition or circumstance, and will by default deny the introduction of any new laws without consideration why. I know one person in this forum who was unemployed but is severely against lockdown. A distrust of authority, conspirators.

 

[bonddm]

Thoughts on the FDA approving the use of Hydroxquolorcrine? Someone here with more qualifications keen to address it (I know there will be a good 4 or 5 waiting in line to advise)?

 

[Kappa]

Yes, dodge the question.

 

[Les Malone]

I probably been the most vocal for full lockdown and I'm starting to feel it.

I have multiple enterprises/business that I OWN that have been affected negatively.

Most of my shares were pulled out early but I've still kept some at significant losses. Although I've made some money back on shorts.

That hasn't stopped my superannuation from dropping heavily.

Ultimately it's just ******* money. And I'm still here healthy and so is my family that's all that matters.

But even from a selfish financial point of view, I foresaw that a stronger lockdown earlier would turned into a quicker economic recovery.

I think the people against the lockdowns either are:

- ignorant or stupid
- own business/companies but are ignorant or stupid
- own business/companies but any economic shortfall could lead to closure, which means their enterprise was never stable or sound to begin with
- understand the ramifications to a degree but are too selfish or narcissistic to care about anyone else
- some are employed and some are unemployed but do not like authority telling them what to do under any condition or circumstance, and will by default deny the introduction of any new laws without consideration why. I know one person in this forum who was unemployed but is severely against lockdown. A distrust of authority, conspirators.

then you will be happy every year when the flu season comes around that kills more young people and kids to have a lockdown

if not you are a hypocrite

 

[Forward Press]

Yes, dodge the question.

You're accusing me of ignoring the flu dead, because I set the context for that debate by arguing why COVID-19 required harsher measures, but I haven't accused you of not caring about the COVID-19 dead which are an order of magnitude higher in many countries - and counting.

Not interested if you want to play that feigned empathy game.

 

[Roby]

So you're happy to let hundreds of thousands of people die to the flu every year? You don't care about their lives?

Nope. I send people home when their ill with flu symptoms and have been for years.

 

[Sub_Zero]

In Western Australia we have 3 active cases. Yet every time a new case is announced on the news they state "a new psotiive result has taken Western Australia's tally up to five hundred and whatever number of total cases" then through murmered teeth they go "with mumble three cough currently being active".

Why continue to keep stating the 'total' case number for any other reaosn that to make this seem like a bigger issue than it is, to justify themselves spending 20minutes per half hour session talking about and to justify the State's tyrannical lockdown laws.

There are literally three kents in WA with the thing and we've only had 500 catch it (with something like 9 deaths) in the entire time its been going on. It's a non-bloody issue in Western Australia.

By all means keep restricitons on incoming travel and forced quarrantine if required, but there is no justification to have any further lockdowns in Western Australia at this time and the Media's fearmongering on this issue is complicit in that

 

[Roby]

What i find amusing is.

Most people get annoyed when we Americanise our sports etc.

But in this thread there are a hell of a lot of people eager to sprout what America did.

Just goes to show, we shouldn't follow in Americas footsteps.

Where do I start...

Do you watch movies or go to the cinema?

 

[Forward Press]

He's right.

I cannot grab a coffee from my local cafe when I wake up, go for a run in the morning, have a picnic with the family for lunch, go to Bunnings to pick up some plants, go to JB HiFi to buy a few games, take my dog to the beach after, order my favourite Italian for dinner, or have a drink with friends at their house, and I keep getting harassed by the police as to why I'm outside.









Wait...

 

[Kappa]

You're accusing me of ignoring the flu dead, because I set the context for that debate by arguing why COVID-19 required harsher measures, but I haven't accused you of not caring about the COVID-19 dead which are an order of magnitude higher in many countries - and counting.

Not interested if you want to play that feigned empathy game.

There's no feigned empathy game, I'm asking if half a million people dying each year to a contagious disease should be classified as a public health emergency? Why don't we shut down everything to protect those people? Are those deaths okay because the economy is more important?

 

[LoungeLizard]

Where do I start...

Do you watch movies or go to the cinema?

Contagion wasn't too bad

 

[Ok Boomer]

In Western Australia we have 3 active cases. Yet every time a new case is announced on the news they state "a new psotiive result has taken Western Australia's tally up to five hundred and whatever number of total cases" then through murmered teeth they go "with mumble three cough currently being active".

Why continue to keep stating the 'total' case number for any other reaosn that to make this seem like a bigger issue than it is, to justify themselves spending 20minutes per half hour session talking about and to justify the State's tyrannical lockdown laws.

There are literally three kents in WA with the thing and we've only had 500 catch it (with something like 9 deaths) in the entire time its been going on. It's a non-bloody issue in Western Australia.

By all means keep restricitons on incoming travel and forced quarrantine if required, but there is no justification to have any further lockdowns in Western Australia at this time and the Media's fearmongering on this issue is complicit in that

Agreed. The measures undertaken early were necessary partly because we didn't understand the scale of the potential problem. Now we are looking for shadows to jump at. Some of the comments this week by some Premiers including McGowan have been out of control.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Disagree on multiple fronts.

I personally know of a good half dozen friends who have had flu like symptoms and never got tested, my wife the same, I had a raised fever for a few days and never got tested. Folly to believe that there are not thousands who would have passed on being tested because they don't believe its the killer virus that alarmist do.

Other flus and bugs haven't ceased to exist because Covid has come along..

 

[Roby]

There's no feigned empathy game, I'm asking if half a million people dying each year to a contagious disease should be classified as a public health emergency? Why don't we shut down everything to protect those people? Are those deaths okay because the economy is more important?

No.

Covid-19 is different.

 

[blackcat]

We’re not opening with the intent of causing a second wave though

one cannot close international economy and trade (til vaccine innoculation which MAY or MAY NOT come

upto16day incubation period which may be mostly asymptomatic time, says we experience it further

 

[blackcat]

Don't insult me with feigned impartiality; you're as transparent as they come. You went straight to the same old ruse I've seen played out by the least impartial supporters of Trump in the States ... criticism of Trump, regardless of validity, invites immediate departure from a rational discussion of the facts to some inapt reference to Hillary Clinton, before moving on to claims that the person speaking the criticism is merely a media bunny incapable of reason.

This amateurish finagling guised in pseudointellectual cant might make you feel clever down at the local, but it doesn't work with me. If you think I don't have my facts right, then correct the facts and provide some credible evidence. Anything less is just diversionary bullshit.

we are not in America and I was right on Cohen v Katrina Vanden HeuvenNation

Why would I support Trump?

The fact is the tweets are irrelevant and occupies the anxieties of the NeverTrump class, which has stalled rankandfile Dems from building the DNC back up. This is self-evident

diversionary tactics is Trump's MO not mine.

I have always posted in such manner, with asides into absurdist territory, I don't follow traditional thread train+reply. Chief the messageboard principal, he will attest to veracity

 

[Roby]

Look at where the anti-vaxxers, anti-authoritarian, fear mongering economist source their info from.

 

[tige19]

Other flus and bugs haven't ceased to exist because Covid has come along..

Cardiovascular disease is down also, significantly. Cancer as well, but that’s likely to do with people not going to gps.

The media can create any disease they want.

 

[Mateyman]

Australia sitting at about 1.2% fatality rate, with your chances of infection at 0.62%. CFR will drop under 1% when current cases recover, will end up being closer .3-.5% as new deadly clusters rear their savage heads

Government should immediately pull JobSeeker, reactionary measure that was done out of fear like a lot of decisions regarding the deadly virus.

Ok now I know you don't really understand what you're talking about at the best of times, but the fatality rate you've quoted won't drop because it doesn't divide deaths by recoveries. It's simply deaths divided by overall cases. All these extra 'recoveries' are already assumed as recoveries in the current CFR of a bit over 1%.

 

[Roby]

Ok now I know you don't really understand what you're talking about at the best of times, but the fatality rate you've quoted won't drop because it doesn't divide deaths by recoveries. It's simply deaths divided by overall cases. All these extra 'recoveries' are already assumed as recoveries in the current CFR of a bit over 1%.

I'm believe the IFR will fall at 1.6-1.7% worldwide. It won't go under 1% or over 2%.

 

[Mateyman]

"Man, we've gotta open the gates."
"We've been through this, Phil. The Mongols are still outside."
"But I've gotta harvest my turnips"
"MONGOLS"
"Ugh. But we've been in here for WEEKS."
"That's how sieges work, Phil."
"But the Mongols have barely killed anyone in days."
"That's because of the walls, Phil."
"Are you sure? Maybe the Mongols aren't that dangerous."
"..."
"I'm just saying, how bad could it be. They can't kill ALL of us"
"That is literally the thing they do."
"But my turnips..."

From https://twitter.com/Bry_Mac

 

[Forward Press]

There's no feigned empathy game, I'm asking if half a million people dying each year to a contagious disease should be classified as a public health emergency? Why don't we shut down everything to protect those people? Are those deaths okay because the economy is more important?

Of course flu is important - we have national immunisation programs (for free and low cost), we have education on hygiene, we have requirements for immunisation for certain workers, hospitals scale up their beds and staff every winter etc.

But the only reason you keep mentioning it is to downplay the COVID-19 threat - do you deny this? So do you support the restrictions or not? Are you of the position that they are not necessary and we should approach this like the flu? Because if so - well, no words, really.