Coronavirus

[Ghost Patrol]

Comparing England & USA Covid & Historical Kill Rates (Sorry, England)

Kissing Cousins Thanks to our new friend at In Proportion, a must-view site, we have daily deaths in England & Wales going back to 1993, and not just from 2013. And thanks to alert reader Pete…

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Coronavirus doesn’t look like it will be the equivalent body count. That honor goes to the 1999-2000 flu. Congratulations! The silver goes to the 1998-1999 flu year.

Best corona could do was the bronze. Can’t fault its effort, though.

Kranky pull the doona up higher.

The wmbriggs guy is a policy advisor for the Heartland Institute, a right wing bible belt think tank.

He appears to have no medical qualifications. What's with the 'kissing cousins' theme Les?

 

[kranky al]

Doctors in Italy find link between rare child disease and COVID-19


Doctors in Italy have become the latest to raise the alarm over a worrying spike in children getting sick with a rare but serious inflammatory syndrome they say is tied to the coronavirus pandemic.


A new study, published in the medical journal The Lancet on Wednesday, found a 30-fold rise in the number of cases of the syndrome in the Bergamo province of Italy shortly after the coronavirus pandemic spread to the region.


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The findings of the Italian doctors are similar to the observations made in recent weeks by health officials in the United States.


Doctors in the United States are investigating cases of the syndrome in at least 150 children, most of them in New York.


The syndrome frequently referred to as "multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children," resembles another childhood condition known as Kawasaki disease which typically affects children under the age of five.


The disease causes inflammation in the walls of medium-sized arteries and can damage the heart.


While the new syndrome also involves inflammation, infectious disease experts say it is different from Kawasaki disease.


Symptoms include persistent fever, rash, red eyes, inflammation and poor function in one or more organs.


The research team at the Hospital Papa Giovanni XXIII in Bergamo, Italy looked at the cases of children diagnosed with Kawasaki disease and the new "Kawasaki-like" disease at the hospital between January 1, 2015 and April 20, 2020.

Source: https://apple.news/AushtcF-xTwaxiW4CVQMFSQ

 

[kranky al]

DEFINE_ME

Background
The Bergamo province, which is extensively affected by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) epidemic, is a natural observatory of virus manifestations in the general population. In the past month we recorded an outbreak of Kawasaki disease; we aimed to evaluate incidence and features of patients with Kawasaki-like disease diagnosed during the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic.
Methods
All patients diagnosed with a Kawasaki-like disease at our centre in the past 5 years were divided according to symptomatic presentation before (group 1) or after (group 2) the beginning of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic. Kawasaki- like presentations were managed as Kawasaki disease according to the American Heart Association indications. Kawasaki disease shock syndrome (KDSS) was defined by presence of circulatory dysfunction, and macrophage activation syndrome (MAS) by the Paediatric Rheumatology International Trials Organisation criteria. Current or previous infection was sought by reverse-transcriptase quantitative PCR in nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs, and by serological qualitative test detecting SARS-CoV-2 IgM and IgG, respectively.
Findings
Group 1 comprised 19 patients (seven boys, 12 girls; aged 3·0 years [SD 2·5]) diagnosed between Jan 1, 2015, and Feb 17, 2020. Group 2 included ten patients (seven boys, three girls; aged 7·5 years [SD 3·5]) diagnosed between Feb 18 and April 20, 2020; eight of ten were positive for IgG or IgM, or both. The two groups differed in disease incidence (group 1 vs group 2, 0·3 vs ten per month), mean age (3·0 vs 7·5 years), cardiac involvement (two of 19 vs six of ten), KDSS (zero of 19 vs five of ten), MAS (zero of 19 vs five of ten), and need for adjunctive steroid treatment (three of 19 vs eight of ten; all p<0·01).
Interpretation
In the past month we found a 30-fold increased incidence of Kawasaki-like disease. Children diagnosed after the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic began showed evidence of immune response to the virus, were older, had a higher rate of cardiac involvement, and features of MAS. The SARS-CoV-2 epidemic was associated with high incidence of a severe form of Kawasaki disease. A similar outbreak of Kawasaki-like disease is expected in countries involved in the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic.

 

[Fire]

Doctors in Italy find link between rare child disease and COVID-19


Doctors in Italy have become the latest to raise the alarm over a worrying spike in children getting sick with a rare but serious inflammatory syndrome they say is tied to the coronavirus pandemic.


A new study, published in the medical journal The Lancet on Wednesday, found a 30-fold rise in the number of cases of the syndrome in the Bergamo province of Italy shortly after the coronavirus pandemic spread to the region.


.


The findings of the Italian doctors are similar to the observations made in recent weeks by health officials in the United States.


Doctors in the United States are investigating cases of the syndrome in at least 150 children, most of them in New York.


The syndrome frequently referred to as "multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children," resembles another childhood condition known as Kawasaki disease which typically affects children under the age of five.


The disease causes inflammation in the walls of medium-sized arteries and can damage the heart.


While the new syndrome also involves inflammation, infectious disease experts say it is different from Kawasaki disease.


Symptoms include persistent fever, rash, red eyes, inflammation and poor function in one or more organs.


The research team at the Hospital Papa Giovanni XXIII in Bergamo, Italy looked at the cases of children diagnosed with Kawasaki disease and the new "Kawasaki-like" disease at the hospital between January 1, 2015 and April 20, 2020.

Source: https://apple.news/AushtcF-xTwaxiW4CVQMFSQ

Yeah, my wife and I have had our eyes on this since we have a newborn. While there are idiots around here spruiking that the death figures are awash with people who 'were going to die anyway', the reality is that we are only just starting to learn the true scope of how bad this shit really is.

 

[Doss]

Yeah, my wife and I have had our eyes on this since we have a newborn. While there are idiots around here spruiking that the death figures are awash with people who 'were going to die anyway', the reality is that we are only just starting to learn the true scope of how bad this shit really is.

Same here, we have an 11 month old daughter. The general theme up to this point that it generally does not affect children much has been a nice comfort, so this sort of stuff is quite sobering to hear indeed.

 

[kranky al]

Yeah, my wife and I have had our eyes on this since we have a newborn. While there are idiots around here spruiking that the death figures are awash with people who 'were going to die anyway', the reality is that we are only just starting to learn the true scope of how bad this shit really is.

Its almost like we should spend a bit of time researching a novel virus with clear neurological effects for longer term damage before we jump straight back in

especially when we appear to be very close to eliminating it.

 

[kranky al]

‘Brutal arithmetic’: New spotlight on ‘herd immunity’ as COVID solution — 7NEWS.com.au

For COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, it’s estimated that 50 percent to 70 percent of the population will need to be immune to achieve herd immunity.

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In Wuhan, China, thousands of people returning to work in April were tested for antibodies, and preliminary results found that only 2 percent to 3 percent had developed them. Early results from a nationwide study in Spain found that about 5 percent of the roughly 90,000 people tested were positive for antibodies. And even in hard-hit regions, such as New York City, preliminary testing of 1,300 people found that 21.2 percent were positive for antibodies.


“That means 80 percent of the population would appear to still be susceptible,” said Dr. Robert Atmar, an infectious disease specialist at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. “So even in an area that has been highly affected, we’re not seeing the levels that you would expect for herd immunity.”


Herd immunity, which varies depending on the pathogen, is calculated based on the transmissibility of a disease — the number of people one infected person will then go on to infect. In general, a disease that is more transmissible needs a higher proportion of the population to be immune for herd immunity to be effective.


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“For a disease like measles, it’s necessary for more than 95 percent of the population to be immune, but for other pathogens, the number of people required to be immune can be lower,” Atmar said.


That raises concerns for any country trying to lift lockdown restrictions, said Dr. David Dowdy, an associate professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


Epidemiologists and public health officials generally agree that allowing herd immunity for the coronavirus to build through natural infections would be disastrous.


Numbers game


“Right now, unless you’re New York City, chances are that 5 percent or less of the population is immune, so to get to herd immunity, you’d have to take the number of cases and deaths we’ve already experienced and multiply that by about 15,” Dowdy said. “If we were to let that happen over a short period of time, it would obviously be catastrophic for the health system.”

 

[kranky al]

Good article on why the r number being less than zero is not the be all and end all.

Transmission T-024: Cristopher Moore on the heavy tail of outbreaks | Santa Fe Institute

R0 is just an average: the transmission rate varies widely, and outbreaks can be surprisingly large even when the epidemic is subcritical.

www.santafe.edu

 

[Les Malone]

LOL, fear monger in chief at work, 'essential work' no doubt

 

[kranky al]

LOL, fear monger in chief at work, 'essential work' no doubt

Actually les - im quoting things like publishings in the lancet.


<<<The Lancet is the world's leading independent general medical journal. The journal's coverage is international in focus and extends to all aspects of human health.

The Lancet publishes the original primary research and review articles of the highest standard. The Lancet is stringently edited and peer-reviewed>>>

its the lancet that published the study on kawasaki syndrome in kids of high covid affected areas.

 

[Les Malone]

Actually les - im quoting things like publishings in the lancet.


<<<The Lancet is the world's leading independent general medical journal. The journal's coverage is international in focus and extends to all aspects of human health.

The Lancet publishes the original primary research and review articles of the highest standard. The Lancet is stringently edited and peer-reviewed>>>

its the lancet that published the study on kawasaki syndrome in kids of high covid affected areas.

cheer up mate,

We're more in control of this virus than many think. It's sad to see people paralysed with fear and so negative about the future. We'll adapt, we always do. Keep your head up, things already feel a lot more normal.

 

[campbell]

Nice to see the nurse who worked for two week, symptomatic, is being investigated by QLD Health.
Silly person to put patients and staff at risk.

 

[kranky al]

Nice to see the nurse who worked for two week, symptomatic, is being investigated by QLD Health.
Silly person to put patients and staff at risk.

If someone dies from that He/ she should be charged with manslaughter

 

[kranky al]

cheer up mate,

We're more in control of this virus than many think. It's sad to see people paralysed with fear and so negative about the future. We'll adapt, we always do. Keep your head up, things already feel a lot more normal.

You are another candidate for the science vs the right wing. Absolute textbook dunning-kruger effect in motion....

 

[Les Malone]

If someone dies from that He/ she should be charged with manslaughter

seriously!, the flu vaccine jab isnt even compulsory for health workers.

 

[Les Malone]

You are another candidate for the science vs the right wing. Absolute textbook dunning-kruger effect in motion....

and you are one of a number of chief fear mongers, with the amount of nonsense you come up with

 

[Les Malone]

for the ninnys

 

[kranky al]

France, britain and spain now with spikes in kawasaki syndrome.

Doctors' fears for growing number of children with rare inflammatory illness linked to COVID-19

Heart complications and symptoms of toxic shock syndrome are on the rise among kids in the countries worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic, and scientists believe there is a link.

www.abc.net.au

Funny - les was all about the kids two pages ago

Now hes like archbishop pell - f#}} the kids..

 

[kranky al]

and you are one of a number of chief fear mongers, with the amount of nonsense you come up with

Nonsense quoted from the worlds premiere medical journal?

Righteo sybil...

 

[Les Malone]

France, britain and spain now with spikes in kawasaki syndrome.

Doctors' fears for growing number of children with rare inflammatory illness linked to COVID-19

Heart complications and symptoms of toxic shock syndrome are on the rise among kids in the countries worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic, and scientists believe there is a link.

www.abc.net.au

Funny - les was all about the kids two pages ago

Now hes like archbishop pell - f#}} the kids..

the fear is palpable, get your local school closed down, due to the complications the flu may have on your childs heart or even brain

it wont stop until you stop being scared and buying into it

or alternatively if your fear is to much don't have kids, the responsibility you undertake by having them doesn't just stop at corona, its probably the least of your worries

 

[campbell]

seriously!, the flu vaccine jab isnt even compulsory for health workers.

QLD Health employees have strict directives around the Miss Corona Virus.
The nurse has knowingly put patients,staff and families at risk, and worked whilst symptomatic.

The ‘ I won’t get paid ‘ angle is rubbish. All Qld Health staff get an extra two weeks quarantine paid leave.

Flu is not covi.

There is a directive in place for staff, they failed to follow a lawful direction.
They are in real trouble.

 

[kranky al]

cheer up mate,

We're more in control of this virus than many think. It's sad to see people paralysed with fear and so negative about the future. We'll adapt, we always do. Keep your head up, things already feel a lot more normal.

How right you are les, we are.

and unsurprisingly the states that locked down the hardest are the ones getting doughnuts most days....

unlike the countries that didnt lock down....

 

[campbell]

If someone dies from that He/ she should be charged with manslaughter

A full enquire underway.
A lot of people will lose jobs,failing to follow lawful directions.

The person was directed by employer to be tested. Nurse then returned to work and worked a number of shifts.

Nurse has been suspended.
The TL and Num will get please explains and face suspensions As the Nursing Director.

No follow up of nurse, who let her into the facility post testing?

Gunna be ugly...
as it should.

 

[kranky al]

Sailors on sidelined carrier get coronavirus for the second time

Five US sailors on an aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak test positive for the virus for the second time and are taken off the ship, according to the US Navy.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Les Malone]

Sailors on sidelined carrier get coronavirus for the second time

Five US sailors on an aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak test positive for the virus for the second time and are taken off the ship, according to the US Navy.

www.abc.net.au

you should research the validity of the tests, even go so far as to research the inventor and what he thinks of using it for infectious diseases

it may go some way to help you

but on the other hand, it probably wont