CricInfo Alltime World XI

[courtjester]

1 too many all-rounders though..maybe replace Sobers with someone like Kallis/Tendulkar?

Reasonable observation. However considering Sobers averages MORE with the bat than both Kallis and Tendulkar, I will keep him!

My rationale is that Sobers is playing as a batsman who can bowl as well, and Hadlee is a bowler who can bat. Imran is my true all-rounder.

I like the attack variation of

Ambrose
Hadlee
Imran
Wasim
Warne
Sobers

 

[krisholio14]

I might come back for a crack at this later

 

[Belnakor]

This is almost as bad as people playing McGrath is the side above players such as Akram, Marshall, Hadlee and Spofforth.
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You need to go through and look at Mcgrath's record over the journey. He played at a time when Bat was dominating Ball and his stats are head and shoulders above anyone in his era, and are superior to all those you list except Marshall.

 

[jiphoc]

You need to go through and look at Mcgrath's record over the journey. He played at a time when Bat was dominating Ball and his stats are head and shoulders above anyone in his era, and are superior to all those you list except Marshall.

I never said he was not. He was a brilliant bowler and one of the better bowlers of modern times. Using stats though is being a bit single minded as stats can deceive. For example in the case of McGrath how many of his wickets do you put down to Warne bowling up the other end? You cannot ignore that may have helped to some extent. Then even in modern times keeping that in mind you have guys like Shaun Pollock and Allan Donnald as 2 randoms who would have scored buck loads more wickets with Warne down the other end.

As I said though I am not saying he was not brilliant. Just your arguement of using stats to justify is being a bit single minded.

 

[King Elvis]

How did McGrath go when Warne was injured or suspended?

Shithouse?

 

[Belnakor]

I never said he was not. He was a brilliant bowler and one of the better bowlers of modern times. Using stats though is being a bit single minded as stats can deceive. For example in the case of McGrath how many of his wickets do you put down to Warne bowling up the other end? You cannot ignore that may have helped to some extent. Then even in modern times keeping that in mind you have guys like Shaun Pollock and Allan Donnald as 2 randoms who would have scored buck loads more wickets with Warne down the other end.

As I said though I am not saying he was not brilliant. Just your arguement of using stats to justify is being a bit single minded.

I dispute this partly because Mcgrath and Warne didn't bowl that many overs with the other working the other end - Mcgrath took many more higher order wickets which he got working with Gillepse and co.

He only played 20 tests without Warne, his stats are roughly comparible.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...volve_type=none;template=results;type=bowling

added to this, you list Marshall as one of the greats... its fair to say he played with a reasonably good attack during his times!

 

[jiphoc]

How did McGrath go when Warne was injured or suspended?

Shithouse?

As I said I am not a stats man but to please the masses I looked this up on cricketinfo. McGrath finished his career with the superb average of 21.64. However during the period Warne was suspended his bowling average was 35.25. He then went back to averaging about 19 as soon as Warne came back into the side.

 

[Phone]

1. Marshall
2. Hadlee
3. McGrath

simple as

 

[Ill Chicken]

1. Mcgrath
2. Marshall
3. Ambrose

ftfy

 

[Belnakor]

As I said I am not a stats man but to please the masses I looked this up on cricketinfo. McGrath finished his career with the superb average of 21.64. However during the period Warne was suspended his bowling average was 35.25. He then went back to averaging about 19 as soon as Warne came back into the side.

stats disagree with you.

 

[Juddism]

YOUR TEAM
OPENERS
Gordon Greenidge
Virender Sehwag

MIDDLE ORDER
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Donald Bradman
Sir Viv Richards

ALLROUNDERS
Imran Khan
Sir Garry Sobers

WICKETKEEPER
Adam Gilchrist

BOWLERS
Curtly Ambrose
Shane Warne
Wasim Akram

 

[tomemy]

Jack Hobbs
Herb Sutcliffe
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Glenn McGrath

 

[dan warna]

Miller > imran khan.

as a bowler and a batsman IMO.

Besides if khan is selected miller would probably come down in his mosquito and bomb the bejesus out of khan with cricket balls

THe brits had to make up people in their adventure war comics because they had no one as big as miller

bomb berlin, opera with the princess, poker with the boys, dine and a tumble with the duchess before midnight, and up in time to bowl the imperial XI out for under a 100

 

[whats_at_stake]

Wasim Akram- that was what true swing bowling was about. The closest "swing" I have seen is from Zaheer Khan but he does not swing it anywhere near as much as Wasim did and its more reverse swing.

If only there were more genuine swing bowlers in world cricket.

 

[Phone]

imran khan gets bonus points for captaining pakistan for like 10 years and leading them to success though.

 

[whats_at_stake]

Team just announced on Cricinfo:

"The World XI: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Don Bradman, Sachin Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Garry Sobers, Adam Gilchrist, Malcolm Marshall, Shane Warne, Wasim Akram, Dennis Lillee"

http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/482936.html

 

[Phone]

can only presume wasim made it because they were stupid and didn't go with 2 all-rounders.

 

[iDon]

can only presume wasim made it because they were stupid and didn't go with 2 all-rounders.

not sure I understand.

was a genuine allrounder, 3 test tons says so. And the man could swing it both ways without a change of action.

A freakshow

 

[Phone]

wasim wasn't a genuine allrounder. he was a great great bowler who massivly underachieved with the bat. if he's a genuine allrounder so is Mitchell Johnson.

 

[tomemy]

Team just announced on Cricinfo:

"The World XI: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Don Bradman, Sachin Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Garry Sobers, Adam Gilchrist, Malcolm Marshall, Shane Warne, Wasim Akram, Dennis Lillee"

http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/482936.html

I can never understand why Herb Sutcliffe never seems to get a gig in these best 11 sides, the bloke averaged 60+ as an opening batsman, a figure that has never been matched by any opener ever.
As for Wasim, he surely has to be an automatic selection, his career figures prove that. How much batting would he have to do in this lineup anyway?

 

[Bomber Bears]

I never said he was not. He was a brilliant bowler and one of the better bowlers of modern times. Using stats though is being a bit single minded as stats can deceive. For example in the case of McGrath how many of his wickets do you put down to Warne bowling up the other end? You cannot ignore that may have helped to some extent. Then even in modern times keeping that in mind you have guys like Shaun Pollock and Allan Donnald as 2 randoms who would have scored buck loads more wickets with Warne down the other end.

As I said though I am not saying he was not brilliant. Just your arguement of using stats to justify is being a bit single minded.

How did Warne go when he didnt have McGrath putting the pressure on down the other end?

How did our other quicks go when McGrath wasnt there?

McGrath set the standard for our dominant period, held the attack together for years. That his averaged peaked at about 21 after the first Ashes test of 05 says alot about his durability. He didnt ever really fully recover after stepping on that ball IMO, wasnt the same bowler afterwards, but his performances for years were brilliant.

I think Lillie is pretty lucky to make the side, when the likes of Hadlee and Ambrose in particular, and also McGrath, miss out.

 

[Phone]

hadlee got screwed over by being classed as an allrounder. he's an automatic selection as a bowler but he's behind sobers, imran, miller, botham etc as an all-rounder

 

[Indian_Hotdog]

jesus christ , how did Lillee get in there ??

 

[holybishop]

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/480528.html

Agree with Chappell that Knott should have been included ahead of Gilly. When you're picking a keeper for a best XI it should be the best wicketkeeper, not the keeper with the best batting record.

 

[tomemy]

jesus christ , how did Lillee get in there ??

I would've thought Glenn McGrath would get a game ahead of Lillee, although Lillee averaged 23.9 McGrath managed to average 21.6 playing at a time where batsman and flat pitches reigned supreme.