Opinion Cricket thread

[big_e]

The Henriques tweets:

Davey Warner is exactly the sort of guy who is dumb enough to think they could get away with it.

 

[North Viking]

Of course everyone toes the line.

Using a bit of saliva, throwing the ball into the wicket, running on the pitch. They are all tried and true methods, but the biggest key factor there is chance or possibility that you get the desired result.

They’ve just taken it further and gone and actively tried to alter the ball in plain sight!

Do you know if it was actually tape? Just seems like such a random thing to utilise and by getting dirt off the pitch to alter the aggott??

I think ball tampering is always done in plain slight. It’s just a question of how obvious the perpetrator is or how good they are at consealing it.

I don’t know if it was in fact tape and I’m not aware of any media reports stating that they had found the actual evidence. I dare say that it was disposed of good and proper before the ICC investigation and the Smith press interview.

My PT did state that he has heard of the use of sandpaper and it is known to radically alter the ball quickly.

I agree with your comment about the tape being random. It looked like sandpaper IMO, and generally the most obvious answer is often the more logical conclusion.

 

[archereleven]

Hard times ahead if a Paine/Marsh combo are the C/VC...

One is 32 and wasn't playing state cricket 6 months ago, the other can't bat or bowl consistently enough to cement his place in the team through performance...





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[giantroo]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...andal-20180326-p4z6d3.html?platform=hootsuite

• David Warner at heart of ball-tampering scandal

Cape Town: David Warner is emerging as the central character in Australian cricket's ball-tampering crisis and the deposed vice-captain will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test against South Africa starting on Johannesburg on Friday.

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland is now on his way to South Africa to deal with the escalating crisis and will join the organisation's head of integrity, Iain Roy, and the executive general manager of team performance, Pat Howard, who arrived in Cape Town on Monday morning local time here.

Roy was due to begin interviewing players about the events of Saturday at Newlands immediately and produce a report for Sutherland and the CA board within 48 hours.

"Iain will immediately conduct his inquiries around the specifics of the ball tampering incident," Sutherland said.

The Australian cricket team's ball tampering controversy is causing their leadership to be called into question.

“I am travelling to Johannesburg this evening and will arrive Tuesday morning local time to meet Iain to understand the findings of the investigation to that point, and to determine recommended outcomes.

“We know Australians want answers and we will keep you updated on our findings and next steps, as a matter of urgency."

There has been a national outcry about Cameron Bancroft's use of yellow tape to try and alter the condition of the ball on the third day of the third Test against South Africa and captain Steve Smith's admission that they had deliberately plotted to cheat during the lunch break that day.

Smith has already been suspended by the International Cricket Council for the fourth and final Test of the series but CA will take further action against those involved in the under-handed ploy and others they find to be responsible for the conduct.


Fairfax Media has been told that Smith and Warner in particular can expect to be sidelined for "a stretch of time".

Bancroft would also be lucky to swerve a penalty, meaning replacements are likely to have to be flown in at the last minute.

“We expect to be able to fully update the Australian public on the findings on Wednesday morning (Tuesday evening in Johannesburg)," CA chairman David Peever said.

“We understand that everyone wants answers, but we must follow our due diligence before any further decisions are made."

Sutherland was boarding a flight in Melbourne as the intense scrutiny on what transpired in the dressing room at Newlands during lunch on Saturday continued.

Smith, Warner and Bancroft - the players at the heart of the scandal - were set to be among the first players interviewed by Roy, who was endeavouring to paint a picture of how the ball-tampering plan was devised as well as the extent of others' knowledge of it.

The wider role of head coach Darren Lehmann and his staff was also being examined.

An ashamed Smith has already accepted responsibility, standing down from the captaincy for what turned out to be the final day of the third Test on Sunday.Warner, too, stepped aside from his leadership role at Newlands.

CA directors, having held an emergency meeting, would have forcibly removed them from their posts had they not volunteered.

Warner did not receive any sanction from the ICC over his part in the scheme but according to senior figures will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test.

Those in the hierarchy at CA have been made aware of suggestions that the vice-captain was the chief conspirator and that Smith foolishly agreed.

Souces close to Warner, however, deny that he was the instigator.

Others close to the Australian dressing room are adamant that the blame should not rest with one or two individuals and that the whole team and set-up around it should take the fall.
Warner has been the team's primary ball manager on the ground in recent times but Bancroft, playing in only his eighth Test, took on those duties at Newlands.

In the previous Test in Port Elizabeth there had been attention from local television broadcaster, SuperSport, on bandaging on Warner's left hand and fingers, which he has broken repeatedly. Australian players had strongly denied there was anything untoward taking place.

Warner was charged by the ICC and narrowly avoided a one-match suspension after the first match of the series.

That was the result of a heated confrontation in the stairwell of the venue in Durban with South Africa's Quinton de Kock, who had made a disparaging remark about Warner's wife, Candice.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...andal-20180326-p4z6d3.html?platform=hootsuite

• David Warner at heart of ball-tampering scandal

Cape Town: David Warner is emerging as the central character in Australian cricket's ball-tampering crisis and the deposed vice-captain will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test against South Africa starting on Johannesburg on Friday.

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland is now on his way to South Africa to deal with the escalating crisis and will join the organisation's head of integrity, Iain Roy, and the executive general manager of team performance, Pat Howard, who arrived in Cape Town on Monday morning local time here.

Roy was due to begin interviewing players about the events of Saturday at Newlands immediately and produce a report for Sutherland and the CA board within 48 hours.

"Iain will immediately conduct his inquiries around the specifics of the ball tampering incident," Sutherland said.

The Australian cricket team's ball tampering controversy is causing their leadership to be called into question.

“I am travelling to Johannesburg this evening and will arrive Tuesday morning local time to meet Iain to understand the findings of the investigation to that point, and to determine recommended outcomes.

“We know Australians want answers and we will keep you updated on our findings and next steps, as a matter of urgency."

There has been a national outcry about Cameron Bancroft's use of yellow tape to try and alter the condition of the ball on the third day of the third Test against South Africa and captain Steve Smith's admission that they had deliberately plotted to cheat during the lunch break that day.

Smith has already been suspended by the International Cricket Council for the fourth and final Test of the series but CA will take further action against those involved in the under-handed ploy and others they find to be responsible for the conduct.


Fairfax Media has been told that Smith and Warner in particular can expect to be sidelined for "a stretch of time".

Bancroft would also be lucky to swerve a penalty, meaning replacements are likely to have to be flown in at the last minute.

“We expect to be able to fully update the Australian public on the findings on Wednesday morning (Tuesday evening in Johannesburg)," CA chairman David Peever said.

“We understand that everyone wants answers, but we must follow our due diligence before any further decisions are made."

Sutherland was boarding a flight in Melbourne as the intense scrutiny on what transpired in the dressing room at Newlands during lunch on Saturday continued.

Smith, Warner and Bancroft - the players at the heart of the scandal - were set to be among the first players interviewed by Roy, who was endeavouring to paint a picture of how the ball-tampering plan was devised as well as the extent of others' knowledge of it.

The wider role of head coach Darren Lehmann and his staff was also being examined.

An ashamed Smith has already accepted responsibility, standing down from the captaincy for what turned out to be the final day of the third Test on Sunday.Warner, too, stepped aside from his leadership role at Newlands.

CA directors, having held an emergency meeting, would have forcibly removed them from their posts had they not volunteered.

Warner did not receive any sanction from the ICC over his part in the scheme but according to senior figures will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test.

Those in the hierarchy at CA have been made aware of suggestions that the vice-captain was the chief conspirator and that Smith foolishly agreed.

Souces close to Warner, however, deny that he was the instigator.

Others close to the Australian dressing room are adamant that the blame should not rest with one or two individuals and that the whole team and set-up around it should take the fall.
Warner has been the team's primary ball manager on the ground in recent times but Bancroft, playing in only his eighth Test, took on those duties at Newlands.

In the previous Test in Port Elizabeth there had been attention from local television broadcaster, SuperSport, on bandaging on Warner's left hand and fingers, which he has broken repeatedly. Australian players had strongly denied there was anything untoward taking place.

Warner was charged by the ICC and narrowly avoided a one-match suspension after the first match of the series.

That was the result of a heated confrontation in the stairwell of the venue in Durban with South Africa's Quinton de Kock, who had made a disparaging remark about Warner's wife, Candice.

If that article is to be believed then what you have is bully boy Warner instigating this, a weak, submissive captain Smith agreeing and a junior player Bancroft wilfully following orders.

I've been a supporter of Warner the last few seasons and felt a lot of the criticism he copped was due to poor behaviour in the past, but this series confirms he is a cancer to a good team culture and Australian cricket would be better off without him. Smith has shown himself to be a very average leader. Time for him to go back to playing and we find a real leader.

 

[giantroo]

Glenn Maxwell set for Test recall in South Africa as raft of suspensions loom for Australia

Toby Prime, Herald Sun
an hour ago
Subscriber only

GLENN Maxwell could be parachuted out of club cricket into South Africa as Australia continues to come to grips with the ball tampering scandal.

Maxwell has been playing in the Premier Cricket competition for the past two weekends and will take to the field in this weekend’s grand final for Fitzroy Doncaster.

But he could find himself packing his bags for South Africa if called upon by Cricket Australia should there be a raft of suspensions.

Glenn Maxwell last played a Test in September last year.
Queenslanders Joe Burns and Matt Renshaw also loom as possible replacements after Steve Smith was suspended for the final Test, starting on Friday.

Peter Handscomb is already in South Africa as part of the touring party.

But the leadership group of Nathan Lyon, David Warner, Josh Hazlewood and Mitchell Starc could also yet be banned after reportedly agreeing to illegally tamper with the ball, meaning Australia could need a swag of reinforcements.

Cameron Bancroft avoided a ban from the International Cricket Council, instead receiving a hefty fine and three demerit points for his role in the scandal.

The Australian Sports Commission has called for Bancroft to be sent home.

However, officials at Maxwell’s club, Fitzroy Doncaster, are yet to receive word if he will be placed on standby for the fourth Test.


Maxwell scored 36 and took 1-23 off eight overs on the weekend as Fitzroy Doncaster chased down Footscray’s total of 138.

He tweeted after the game he was looking forward to helping the Lions secure a historic three-peat of Premier Cricket premierships.


Maxwell’s most recent first-class game was for Victoria on March 16 when the Bushrangers bowed out of the race for a berth in the Sheffield Shield final.

He last played a Test in September last year when Australia toured Bangladesh.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Mav]

Lehmann has texted Adelaide Radio that he will be giving a press conference tomorrow (which could be tonight for us) and everything will be know then!

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Lol Tendulkar good bloke defence.

 

[North Viking]

The penalties issued by the ICC are farcical, laughable and exhibit that the ICC is not genuine in cleaning up the game.

A 5 run penalty, Tedulkar charge downgraded to “cleaning grass of the ball without umpire’s permission”, like these surely have to be the worlds most stupid penalties and charges. The ICC is a joke.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Pre-meditation will likely see the penalty boosted significantly.

 

[King Corey]

So why is this instance so much more dramatic?

If a saint like Sachin can walk away with the tap of a feather duster to the backside then why is this the end of society as we know it?

 

[tales129]

So why is this instance so much more dramatic?

If a saint like Sachin can walk away with the tap of a feather duster to the backside then why is this the end of society as we know it?

Because of the moral high ground and setting of the line that our side has always taken.

Plus it was so brazen and out in the open. Like it’s been stated in here before everyone has a crack at it, especially with modern bats and the game favouring batsmen teams are always trying to find that edge.

It’s more dramatic because of the attitude and stance taken by smith and co after, that they felt they were above it all

 

[Groucho]

So why is this instance so much more dramatic?

If a saint like Sachin can walk away with the tap of a feather duster to the backside then why is this the end of society as we know it?

Marcus Trescothick was all but knighted for being the “chief ball shiner” (ie ball tamperer) in the 05 Ashes series.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

This issue has transcended ball tampering. It is now about culture and leadership. It's about standards.

The Aussies have been perceived bullies for a long time and the public are sick of the players arrogance. Cricket Australia have tolerated this behaviour in the past but the backlash is so big they have to act. Last thing they want is the current TV rights deal going down the shitter.

This situation gives them a perfect chance to install a new coach with strict values, a new captain who will change the culture of the team and CA will use this in their PR messaging to the public to give themselves clean air.

 

[King Corey]

Because of the moral high ground and setting of the line that our side has always taken.

Plus it was so brazen and out in the open. Like it’s been stated in here before everyone has a crack at it, especially with modern bats and the game favouring batsmen teams are always trying to find that edge.

It’s more dramatic because of the attitude and stance taken by smith and co after, that they felt they were above it all

Have they though?

I'm not excusing the Australian cricket team. But the media, competitors and supporters at large seem to condemn the Australian national side far more severely than the transgressions of teams/players for any other nation. The subcontinent and English media and supporter groups exacerbate this viewpoint.

 

[giantroo]

Here we are...

 

[DarkPhoenix]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...andal-20180326-p4z6d3.html?platform=hootsuite

• David Warner at heart of ball-tampering scandal

Cape Town: David Warner is emerging as the central character in Australian cricket's ball-tampering crisis and the deposed vice-captain will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test against South Africa starting on Johannesburg on Friday.

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland is now on his way to South Africa to deal with the escalating crisis and will join the organisation's head of integrity, Iain Roy, and the executive general manager of team performance, Pat Howard, who arrived in Cape Town on Monday morning local time here.

Roy was due to begin interviewing players about the events of Saturday at Newlands immediately and produce a report for Sutherland and the CA board within 48 hours.

"Iain will immediately conduct his inquiries around the specifics of the ball tampering incident," Sutherland said.

The Australian cricket team's ball tampering controversy is causing their leadership to be called into question.

“I am travelling to Johannesburg this evening and will arrive Tuesday morning local time to meet Iain to understand the findings of the investigation to that point, and to determine recommended outcomes.

“We know Australians want answers and we will keep you updated on our findings and next steps, as a matter of urgency."

There has been a national outcry about Cameron Bancroft's use of yellow tape to try and alter the condition of the ball on the third day of the third Test against South Africa and captain Steve Smith's admission that they had deliberately plotted to cheat during the lunch break that day.

Smith has already been suspended by the International Cricket Council for the fourth and final Test of the series but CA will take further action against those involved in the under-handed ploy and others they find to be responsible for the conduct.


Fairfax Media has been told that Smith and Warner in particular can expect to be sidelined for "a stretch of time".

Bancroft would also be lucky to swerve a penalty, meaning replacements are likely to have to be flown in at the last minute.

“We expect to be able to fully update the Australian public on the findings on Wednesday morning (Tuesday evening in Johannesburg)," CA chairman David Peever said.

“We understand that everyone wants answers, but we must follow our due diligence before any further decisions are made."

Sutherland was boarding a flight in Melbourne as the intense scrutiny on what transpired in the dressing room at Newlands during lunch on Saturday continued.

Smith, Warner and Bancroft - the players at the heart of the scandal - were set to be among the first players interviewed by Roy, who was endeavouring to paint a picture of how the ball-tampering plan was devised as well as the extent of others' knowledge of it.

The wider role of head coach Darren Lehmann and his staff was also being examined.

An ashamed Smith has already accepted responsibility, standing down from the captaincy for what turned out to be the final day of the third Test on Sunday.Warner, too, stepped aside from his leadership role at Newlands.

CA directors, having held an emergency meeting, would have forcibly removed them from their posts had they not volunteered.

Warner did not receive any sanction from the ICC over his part in the scheme but according to senior figures will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test.

Those in the hierarchy at CA have been made aware of suggestions that the vice-captain was the chief conspirator and that Smith foolishly agreed.

Souces close to Warner, however, deny that he was the instigator.

Others close to the Australian dressing room are adamant that the blame should not rest with one or two individuals and that the whole team and set-up around it should take the fall.
Warner has been the team's primary ball manager on the ground in recent times but Bancroft, playing in only his eighth Test, took on those duties at Newlands.

In the previous Test in Port Elizabeth there had been attention from local television broadcaster, SuperSport, on bandaging on Warner's left hand and fingers, which he has broken repeatedly. Australian players had strongly denied there was anything untoward taking place.

Warner was charged by the ICC and narrowly avoided a one-match suspension after the first match of the series.

That was the result of a heated confrontation in the stairwell of the venue in Durban with South Africa's Quinton de Kock, who had made a disparaging remark about Warner's wife, Candice.

And this is why I was 100% behind Sutherlands approach of not being too hasty.

If they had just banned Clarke and Bancroft for a game and moved on others would have got off scott free.

 

[Mav]

And this is why I was 100% behind Sutherlands approach of not being too hasty.

If they had just banned Clarke and Bancroft for a game and moved on others would have got off scott free.

All Sutherlands needed to do was to immediately stand down Smith and Bancroft pending an investigation. The two had admitted to cheating so it was simple to say that they wouldn't be playing until the investigation was complete.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Renshaw is on the plane to South Africa

 

[Harris 10]

Is there one day games or T20’s after test series?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Australian players have apparently requested to management that Warner be removed from the players Hotel Lodgings.

Apparently seen drinking champagne with non cricket friends and removed himself from a player WhatsApp conversation leaving everyone else to deal with the fall out of the ball tampering.

Players who approached management have indicated if it doesn't happen then an 'incident' may occur.

 

[Hojuman]

I'm really still struggling with all this. My best mate passed away Feb. 2017 (mad Hawks man ) but cricket and M.C.G test was our summer thing. We never went first 2 days but once the crowd was less day 3/4 we would go to just enjoy the cricket.
He'd be " literally " rolling over in his grave at what has happened.
Still trying to get my head around the utter stupidity of it all.

Little bit of me died as well l think. Never going to look at game the same way l think. Not the only one either obviously.
Such a shame.

 

[Hojuman]

Australian players have apparently requested to management that Warner be removed from the players Hotel Lodgings.

Apparently seen drinking champagne with non cricket friends and removed himself from a player WhatsApp conversation leaving everyone else to deal with the fall out of the ball tampering.

Players who approached management have indicated if it doesn't occur then an 'incident' may occur.

Jesus D.P.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Australian players have apparently requested to management that Warner be removed from the players Hotel Lodgings.

Apparently seen drinking champagne with non cricket friends and removed himself from a player WhatsApp conversation leaving everyone else to deal with the fall out of the ball tampering.

Players who approached management have indicated if it doesn't happen then an 'incident' may occur.

Wow.

Cancer, cut him out.

His Australian career should be over. Won't worry him, will continue to make millions roaming the world playing T20