Opinion Crows Logo - the ultimate poll

[ad victoriam]

There's no evidence that any overwhelming number of any particular group of people would pick the new logo at all.

Do you think the AFL are that bad and a bunch of amateurs that they don't do market research. Don't you think the crows did a work up of the pro's and con's without market research?

Love the tiny minority that love it and will defend it to the death.

The logo is great, 10% of people can't be wrong.

Is it the silent majority or the vocal minority that dislike it. works both ways.

 

[ad victoriam]

Don't be a ******. I can't help it that your shit taste has been highlighted.

I haven't created my own design. There have been designs posted on here that I've liked. I even told you I liked the one Macca had on the women's Guernsey.

Have you got something to back up your games claim?

No proof I can provide, what I can provide is it the one they are using and will use for a few more years no matter what we think.
and that they do market research on how to improve the brand regularly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Do you think the AFL are that bad and a bunch of amateurs that they don't do market research. Don't you think the crows did a work up of the pro's and con's without market research?

If you can't offer anything in support other than 'they did it therefore it must be right', why bother?

 

[Southerntakeover]

There's no evidence that any overwhelming number of any particular group of people would pick the new logo at all.

Don't forget about the silent majority.

A majority so silent, and so still, that if you werent told about them you might not even know they exist...

 

[ad victoriam]

If you can't offer anything in support other than 'they did it therefore it must be right', why bother?

as opposed to you and Few other don't like as proof it shit,
But I guess they are not run as a business and do not do market research, So yea I will not bother,

 

[Elite Crow]

as opposed to you and Few other don't like as proof it shit,
But I guess they are not run as a business and do not do market research, So yea I will not bother,

6 out of 62 on here like it!

 

[Southerntakeover]

as opposed to you and Few other don't like as proof it shit,
But I guess they are not run as a business and do not do market research, So yea I will not bother,

You're not bothering now, so how will I be able to tell the difference?

 

[GreyCrow]

What this thread does is point out that the majority here hate our logo and want it changed.

Cost shouldn't be a consideration, it should be seen as an opportunity to sell more merchandise.

Not correct. Some don't care if it is or isn't. There is a difference

 

[Elite Crow]

Not correct. Some don't care if it is or isn't. There is a difference

More hate it

 

[Samcro24]

Do you think the AFL are that bad and a bunch of amateurs ...

Ermmmm....

 

[Elite Crow]

Ermmmm....

I thought he was cracking a joke

 

[jenny61_99]

Don't forget about the silent majority.

A majority so silent, and so still, that if you werent told about them you might not even know they exist...

We have a minority of loud negative nellies in here, no doubt about it. They find ways to pot the club at every opportunity and do so loudly and often. It's always easier when you hunt in packs eh? The silent majority often choose to say nothing, lest they be beset upon by said loud minority for having shit taste or that they dare to support anything the club does. Even the above poll has a percentage of people that don't care - which means they don't hate it enough to change it (or whinge about it). But you and your mates will still bleat that the majority want it changed, when that isn't a true reflection of the whole Crow supporter base at all. And once again, it is a complete and utter waste of time - because the Club isn't going to change it any time soon. I often wonder why you would bother starting a meaningless poll?

 

[1970crow]

Of course you couldn't give a shit, you love it

Triggy chose it, how could Jen possibly dislike it.

 

[Southerntakeover]

We have a minority of loud negative nellies in here, no doubt about it. They find ways to pot the club at every opportunity and do so loudly and often. It's always easier when you hunt in packs eh? The silent majority often choose to say nothing, lest they be beset upon by said loud minority for having shit taste or that they dare to support anything the club does. Even the above poll has a percentage of people that don't care - which means they don't hate it enough to change it (or whinge about it). But you and your mates will still bleat that the majority want it changed, when that isn't a true reflection of the whole Crow supporter base at all. And once again, it is a complete and utter waste of time - because the Club isn't going to change it any time soon. I often wonder why you would bother starting a meaningless poll?

Jenny, the frustrating thing with you is you've got no problem dishing this sort of ad hominem tripe out, but if someone were to return in kind you'd assert it's bullying.

I'm not willing to accept mere assertions as to the existence of a 'silent majority' in circumstances where no evidence supports such a claim.

I also don't accept that having such discussions is any greater a 'waste of time' than anything else on this board, and yet I do wonder- if it's such a waste of time, why are you spending so much time in here telling everyone that they shouldnt discuss it?

 

[jenny61_99]

Triggy chose it, how could Jen possibly dislike it.

Try again.

 

[Elite Crow]

We have a minority of loud negative nellies in here, no doubt about it. They find ways to pot the club at every opportunity and do so loudly and often. It's always easier when you hunt in packs eh? The silent majority often choose to say nothing, lest they be beset upon by said loud minority for having shit taste or that they dare to support anything the club does. Even the above poll has a percentage of people that don't care - which means they don't hate it enough to change it (or whinge about it). But you and your mates will still bleat that the majority want it changed, when that isn't a true reflection of the whole Crow supporter base at all. And once again, it is a complete and utter waste of time - because the Club isn't going to change it any time soon. I often wonder why you would bother starting a meaningless poll?

Bah Bah

 

[Elite Crow]

We have a minority of loud negative nellies in here, no doubt about it. They find ways to pot the club at every opportunity and do so loudly and often. It's always easier when you hunt in packs eh? The silent majority often choose to say nothing, lest they be beset upon by said loud minority for having shit taste or that they dare to support anything the club does. Even the above poll has a percentage of people that don't care - which means they don't hate it enough to change it (or whinge about it). But you and your mates will still bleat that the majority want it changed, when that isn't a true reflection of the whole Crow supporter base at all. And once again, it is a complete and utter waste of time - because the Club isn't going to change it any time soon. I often wonder why you would bother starting a meaningless poll?

Jenny your taste should be questioned, because you are in the extreme minority that love it. 6 people! Ouch!!!

 

[fabs33]

Fair enough. Do think the posturing over this logo has gone on and on though and yet another new poll is rather pointless given the club appear to be happy with the existing one and they've pointed out that any change in logo would be a costly proposition.

Why must you so frequently resort to turning discussions into debates on what people can or can't discuss/say?

 

[Elite Crow]

Why must you so frequently resort to turning discussions into debates on what people can or can't discuss/say?

She has an easy choice to make, don't read or post in this thread.

 

[Sanders]

Do you think the AFL are that bad and a bunch of amateurs that they don't do market research. Don't you think the crows did a work up of the pro's and con's without market research?

The problem with childish pleas to authority is that it doesn't take long before it gets all bent out of shape

http://time.com/3822869/new-coke-history/

 

[Sanders]

We have a minority of loud negative nellies in here, no doubt about it. They find ways to pot the club at every opportunity and do so loudly and often. It's always easier when you hunt in packs eh? The silent majority often choose to say nothing, lest they be beset upon by said loud minority for having shit taste or that they dare to support anything the club does. Even the above poll has a percentage of people that don't care - which means they don't hate it enough to change it (or whinge about it). But you and your mates will still bleat that the majority want it changed, when that isn't a true reflection of the whole Crow supporter base at all. And once again, it is a complete and utter waste of time - because the Club isn't going to change it any time soon. I often wonder why you would bother starting a meaningless poll?

I put it to you the silent majority is a figment of the tiny minorities imagination used to disguise just how out of touch the minority is

This is as large and as randomly constituted as any focus group

 

[Barneythecrab]

We have a minority of loud negative nellies in here, no doubt about it. They find ways to pot the club at every opportunity and do so loudly and often. It's always easier when you hunt in packs eh? The silent majority often choose to say nothing, lest they be beset upon by said loud minority for having shit taste or that they dare to support anything the club does. Even the above poll has a percentage of people that don't care - which means they don't hate it enough to change it (or whinge about it). But you and your mates will still bleat that the majority want it changed, when that isn't a true reflection of the whole Crow supporter base at all. And once again, it is a complete and utter waste of time - because the Club isn't going to change it any time soon. I often wonder why you would bother starting a meaningless poll?

I'm definitely not a negative nelly about the club but I absolutely loathe that crows head. I wish they could at least create some gear that had alternatives to that crow head and wasn't crappy Thomo tshirts for kids etc. I would love a polo with a different logo or jacket etc. But for a lot of us it's so bloody terrible that we find it hard to represent our club outside of match day settings.

 

[Rotayjay]

I'll chime in. It's shit.

It's not good to have an ugly thing representing this club on things like fixtures, merch, Channel 7 match promos, and so on. A club logo is not as important as winning premierships, guernseys or being profitable, but it pervades every mention and incarnation of the club - and thus it has to be something that is not widely derided and hated. Raptor Head doesn't command respect from oppo clubs either.

 

[CIDA]

People that make the decisions are clearly happy with it.

This is really irrelevant in the branding/logo design process.

As a designer I run into this scenario far too often: the client lets their subjective view of the presented concepts dictate their decision and, in turn, the outcome. In reality, it really doesn't matter if the client likes or even identifies with their own logo, it matters if THEIR client/consumer likes and identifies with it – in this case, the fans. It should designed in order to identify with a target audience, not those working at the club or the company. In our case, the logo and wider brand needs to resonate with the majority of the fan base and it's become really evident that for the most part, it does not. On that basis it is an overwhelmingly unsuccessful logo and it really needs to be reconsidered.

 

[CIDA]

Unfortunately all pieces of art and design fall into a grey area – it's completely subjective at the end of the day. So, if it is to be redone, it needs to be done strategically. It should resonate with the majority of our fan base (or intended fan base) and position our club in the direction they intend to head. It is my hope that we are headed in the direction of an "authentic football club" and that the brand/logo is reflected in that way.

Presently, I think our logo is rubbish from an aesthetic point of view (purely my subjective opinion) but I think the real problem is that the current logo is that it positions us as a "franchise" and an imitation of something we are not. It's gimmicky and child-like in a sense and that is no way for a football club should look. The worst part is that it's clearly borrowed from another organisation.

Something simple and timeless reflecting our values as an authentic football club and elite standards would be a good start – and it doesn't even need to include a crow! The tri-colours and hoops are far more integral to our brand than any iteration of a crow.