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Crows plan Walker talks! (Part 2)
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So we have one player and what Harper said makes sense if kpis have been set and don't get met then that player will be dropped.
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Are you serious?
We have played 15 games and won 4 of those. In those 15 games we have played 60 quarters of footy and during the time, we have only played about 10 good quarters. And you are trying to tell us that we have only 1 player miss the KPI’s in that time?
Either then KPI’s are set to low meaning they are easily achieved because with 50 odd bad quarters of football, that should not be the case or some players are getting an easy ride?
My belief is, some players are getting an easy ride and a whole heap of double standards are being applied. If the KPI’s are too low, is another indictment on Neil Craig as he doesn’t have a grasp on modern day football.
Very, very interesting - if true.
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Watched Tex's last game at the Parade right through and he didn't look like he was enjoying it much-just not the day or ground to display his skills. He has missed a lot of footy and to cop a week for his tackle well...he'd be champing at the bit. Good run against South and back in for the Showdown.
Thought it was more telling the just playing footy part of the tweet, that speaks of KPI's and pressure acts and filling space and harassing opponents. Taylor we don't care if you don't kick any goals, just make sure you pressure your opponent.
Thought it was more telling the just playing footy part of the tweet, that speaks of KPI's and pressure acts and filling space and harassing opponents. Taylor we don't care if you don't kick any goals, just make sure you pressure your opponent.
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Yes Smack and Knights were eventually dropped but how long did they get?
birdmanptr
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And all I want to know is who in your opinion do you think is getting away with stuff Taylor ain't.
Is true, Harper stated that VB missed his KPIs for 3 weeks but has been better over the last few weeks.
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See Harpers comments on VB as a start.
But we know players have missed KPI's over a few weeks once the club or vader starts wheeling out the no one in any SANFL form to replace them.
Southerntakeover
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Needs more context.
Would like to know the average rate of games where the KPI are failed per season.
Keeping in mind our policy is supposedly three in a row leads to dropping. This suggests that one failure individually isnt seen as a big deal.
Would like to know the average rate of games where the KPI are failed per season.
Keeping in mind our policy is supposedly three in a row leads to dropping. This suggests that one failure individually isnt seen as a big deal.
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From memory Harper seemed to suggest that it was three in a row aswell as "Ralph" (his voice modulator was cranked up way to high). But also when harper was asked what are the kpi's he didn't seem to know. So who knows he may have been full of it.
seriously - Raplh picked up on this and then Harper confirmed it
where is the facepalm emoticon (we have severe lack of them on this forum)
why would Harper bother confirming that kind of information, he would surely be regretting that phone call.
Pretty sure you're deliberately asking the wrong question there.
There might be team specific KPIs, but each player would have their own specific set as well.
Doesn't matter whether VB is doing the stuff Walker isn't, if he isn't meeting his KPIs and that policy is in place, then he should be dropped.
Sounds like a crap policy to me though; arbitary things like that are always stupid.
don't want to be seen as a Thread Nazi however question to the Mods is the subject of players meeting or not meeting KPI's and the ramifications on selection worthy of its own thread......
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Maybe but in this case we are talking about Walkers new contract and if Craigy has set him KPIs and he cant.wont meet them then i guess thats why his talks are on hold.
A thread for this would be good but we would have to know what all the KPIs are.We can only guess even with walkers we presume one of his is to work hard when we dont have the ball.
It's an interesting one. Threads based on this sort of info are always very good reading. However, we know very little of what the KPI's are.
What could be a good thread, is discussion of what certain players KPI's should be given their ages, game stayle, position etc.
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I think players need different kpi's depending on type of player and position played. I think Neil would lean more towards everyone having the same kpi's.
Why? He's not stupid. He knows that different positions have different demands - and different players have different capabilities.
I'd be extremely surprised if he didn't tailor people's minimum acceptable KPIs on an individual basis.
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I don't think he's stupid, but it seems like he expects the same 1%ers from say a forward as he does from a backman or midfielder when in reality they shouldn't even be close.
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Please don't tell me you're going on about Tex Walker? Walker got dropped because he wasn't working hard enough offensively or defensively. I doubt he was within 50% of his KPIs - and those would have been tailored specifically to him.
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Do we all feel you can put KPI's indivdually.
I'm a consultant/analyst so the idea appeals on one level.
But I'm just not sure you can put KPI's in place to give a true measure of whether someone should be in or out of the side. There have to be a range of qualitative factors (and to be fair maybe the KPI's are qualitative) involved.
For instace - how do you measure leadership for the senior playing group?
(sum of games ratio between themeslves and anyone they talk to for leadership purposes) / TOG?
I'm a consultant/analyst so the idea appeals on one level.
But I'm just not sure you can put KPI's in place to give a true measure of whether someone should be in or out of the side. There have to be a range of qualitative factors (and to be fair maybe the KPI's are qualitative) involved.
For instace - how do you measure leadership for the senior playing group?
(sum of games ratio between themeslves and anyone they talk to for leadership purposes) / TOG?
It does not matter whether it is sport or business.
Forget about the result. Break down everything you do into small , measurable components. (KPI's). Improve each small measurable component by 1 or 2% and guess what? Your results will improve..... Concentrate on your result and you are on the road to no where....
I have been out of footy for 10 years now and have never played at the highest level.
I remember hearing Ian thorpe's previous Sports psychologist do a speech. He spoke of how Ian never concentrated on times or results. Only on the process. He broke everything down he did from diet, sleeping, stretching, warm up, dive, first kick, turn, stroke, final touch etc..... In the end he broke it down to 170 different, you could call it KPI's....
His goal was to improve each KPI by 1 or 2 % from what he had done the previous year. The end result would take care of itself....
That has stuck in my mind ever since I heard that 5 or so years ago and has helped me in my work life probably more than anything. I wish I heard that speech when I was a 14 year old.
I remember hearing Ian thorpe's previous Sports psychologist do a speech. He spoke of how Ian never concentrated on times or results. Only on the process. He broke everything down he did from diet, sleeping, stretching, warm up, dive, first kick, turn, stroke, final touch etc..... In the end he broke it down to 170 different, you could call it KPI's....
His goal was to improve each KPI by 1 or 2 % from what he had done the previous year. The end result would take care of itself....
That has stuck in my mind ever since I heard that 5 or so years ago and has helped me in my work life probably more than anything. I wish I heard that speech when I was a 14 year old.
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