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But was the real story about the speculative article or that the Crows felt compelled to respond?

AFL Media 101. Behold:

Story 1: "BigFooty is in turmoil this evening as it is understood that Sanders and deaneus could possibly be the same guy."

Sanders & deaneus: "Ridiculous - we're not."

Story 2: "BigFooty denial has the footy world talking."

It's a two-for and no journalism involved at all.
 
AFL Media 101. Behold:

Story 1: "BigFooty is in turmoil this evening as it is understood that Sanders and deaneus could possibly be the same guy."

Sanders & deaneus: "Ridiculous - we're not."

Story 2: "BigFooty denial has the footy world talking."

It's a two-for and no journalism involved at all.

I was thinking Marty and EC would make a good headline.;)
 
AFL Media 101. Behold:

Story 1: "BigFooty is in turmoil this evening as it is understood that Sanders and deaneus could possibly be the same guy."

Sanders & deaneus: "Ridiculous - we're not."

Story 2: "BigFooty denial has the footy world talking."

It's a two-for and no journalism involved at all.
Are you the same guy deaneus and Sanders?

I'm so confused right now
 

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Lyons DID get an offer from us. A very small offer.

Lyons got a small offer because Pyke didn't see him in the 22 in a remodeled midfield built on more pace and pressure on the ball carrier.

He got the offer of a depth player. Not sure why you think this confirms we traded him for cap space. In fact it does the opposite.

This "crows are exploiting SA players" narrative is both nonsense and insulting to our SA players, whom it implies are too pathetic to move anywhere to get paid what they deserve.
 
Lyons got a small offer because Pyke didn't see him in the 22 in a remodeled midfield built on more pace and pressure on the ball carrier.

He got the offer of a depth player. Not sure why you think this confirms we traded him for cap space. In fact it does the opposite.

This "crows are exploiting SA players" narrative is both nonsense and insulting to our SA players, whom it implies are too pathetic to move anywhere to get paid what they deserve.
It's funny, it's never said that the Vic clubs are exploiting their locals despite many of them being paid below market value
 
I'd want Jenkins' manager negotiating for my life.

The man's 28, has stunk it up in 3 of the 4 finals he's played for the club, and will play out the last 3/5 of his contract being over 30.

Would we give any 30 year old on our list a three year contract?

Let's hope we retain Lever and McGovern because if we don't, that's a pretty big matzo ball hangin' out there.
 
I'd want Jenkins' manager negotiating for my life.

The man's 28, has stunk it up in 3 of the 4 finals he's played for the club, and will play out the last 3/5 of his contract being over 30.

Would we give any 30 year old on our list a three year contract?

Let's hope we retain Lever and McGovern because if we don't, that's a pretty big matzo ball hangin' out there.
He's improving every season, that's why he got the deal.
 
how much better can he possibly get once he hits 31-32?
If he holds the current level then he's earned his contract. As a forward he's as good as the midfield giving him the ball, if they improve as we hope they do then his job gets easier
 
If he holds the current level then he's earned his contract. As a forward he's as good as the midfield giving him the ball, if they improve as we hope they do then his job gets easier
I agree if he can keep delivering years like 2016 (minus the horrendous finals series with injury) its not a bad deal, but realistically he's probably more or less peaked and will fall away a bit at some point.

hopefully his last two years are worth bugger all.
 

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So that meltdown that we let Lyons go around the trade deadline was what exactly for if we didn't want him?! If we didn't want him why did we offer him a contract? If we didn't want him why didn't we just not offer him a contract like we didn't offer one to Henderson?

Seriously some people are so ******* blinded and so defensive that if anyone dare say anything slightly incriminating against the club then god help them. :rolleyes:

I keep saying, the salary cap situation is NOT as dire as the article suggests but I also say there is no war chest that people keep on talking about. We created money for Gibbs last season by getting VB to retire (was on a VERY good coin as an ex captain), not bringing back Henderson who despite popular belief was on a pretty decent coin. We also wanted to keep Lyons but gave him a smaller offer than what he wanted. He chose to go elsewhere and we brought back Thompson with the money we were offering Lyons. Had Lyons accepted, Thompson would not have been re-signed.

If we didn't want him back we would not have made an offer to him just like we never made on offer to Henderson. People like to think that players are taking less to stay with the club. I can tell you that Jenkins' deal is closer to the Brisbane figure (not that high) than what this board is believes it to be around $450k-$500k per year. He is one of the higher paid players at the club. B. Crouch also got a significant pay rise on his 4 year contract extension. Talia's deal is also up there.

And you if REALLY believe Reid's version of events about Gibbs coming to us last minute then I have some real estate for you. We were into Gibbs half way through the season and started putting things into place to free up the cap room. I was told we were into a midfielder but it was all hush hush and no name was forth coming. Now I know why! You remember that time the story broke of our interest in Rockliff and how he caught up with Burton?! Well that was around the time when we started putting feelers out to Gibbs. Henderson needed to play one more game to meet the trigger for his contract for this year. Funny how he was dropped after the WC game where he was in our top 2-3 players on the night. Bottom line his contract needed to come off the books to bring in Gibbs and we were happy to sacrifice some depth in that position as we felt there was enough coming through so that we could bring in a ready made midfielder to help out Sloane.

Our club is no different to other clubs. They must pay at least 95% of the cap each year and every club, including ours is operating closer to 100% than 95% most years. People talk about increases of salary cap where clubs were projecting 10% but its likely to be 20% as if that is going to create some more space. Majority of the contracts are linked to fluctuations of the salary cap which means, that if salary cap increases so does the salary of the signed player.

People are talking like we have a war chest of $1-1.5million to throw around in free agency. We don't. We have managed our cap well but we do not have that much available where we can keep our players and drop a $1-1.5m deal on a free agent. I fully expect us to have another go at Gibbs at the end of the year because that sort of money we probably can afford even when re-signing McGovern and Lever to reasonable contracts. I would personally be pretty happy if we can keep Lever and McGovern (I am confident we will) and bring in Gibbs. Any talk of war chest is just wishful thinking and when we fail to get a massive FA in, people will again go into a melt down mode.

Well, now that you've outed the Gibbs timeline as being a furphy and confirmed that Thommo has been given a gift, it's all making sense. Still, I'd have delisted Thommo and held his $200k so it could be rolled into next year. No wonder we're one short on the list with 2 LTI's and still won't upgrade Greenwood despite him showing that he's bloody close in the JLT.
 
Dmac gets singled out. There are at least 3 other players that are performing at a similar level or below Dmac's that are on similar money to that. So that is 4 players that you have $1.6m of salary cap tied to.

How many of the 4 are proven plodders with 160 games under the belt and no hope of being anything different?
 
because you work there and get it for free? AHA!

Sure, because the colonel eats for free.

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So do you think that Lever and McGovern extensions will not be significant? I can guarantee you that they will be getting more than double on what they are on now especially since they are players from interstate that we want to keep.

Salary cap management is not a year to year proposition. Charlie Cameron, Rory Atkins etc will be up for contract extensions and one would say a reasonable amount more than what they are currently on. Matt Crouch will need to be extended in the next year or two. Jake Lever, Mitch McGovern, Wayne Milera and a handful of others are out of contract at the end of this year and all 3 will be getting more money than they currently are, especially the first two.

There is some long term planning that needs to take place as well if you want to keep this list together. I think we can maneuver
our way into re-signing those key players and possibly bringing in Gibbs at the end of the year.

If we genuinely had a war chest as people claim, then why did we pull the sort of moves late last year to create enough cap space to bring in Gibbs? VB out even though deep down he wanted to play on. Dropping Henderson after being one of our best against WCE so that his trigger for this season is not activated. Low ball Lyons and then when he declined use that money to sign Thompson who desperately wanted to play on? If we had a war chest as people believe we could have fit Gibbs in comfortably and still had enough room for another Gibbs level player.

Most if that can be easily explained;

VB - Was cooked, no chop at all and no future. Why hold a spot open just because he wants to play on. That's Trigg level thinking,

Hendo - It was either him or Mackay and we knew we had the Roos who had turned into a bottom 4 team on toast.

Mackay has made a career if just doing enough or having no competitors. Plus we had Seed, Hampton and Knight in the 2's, one of Mackay and Hendo had to go and Dmac still had 2 years to run.

Lyons - Was dropped early despite good form, simply not rated by the midfield coaches, never has been. If we wanted to retire Thommo, why burn space on him if we're squeezed in that area. You low ball Lyons as you're looking for more speed and CEY and Wigg aren't vastly inferior anyway. But you sure as s**t don't just piss that cap space away on a bloke you've watched barely get out of a jog for 4 months if it's at a premium.

No one in a high performing footy dept gets a contract because they're desperate for one. Using VB's and Thommo's desire combined with our reluctance as evidence that we're out of cap casts doubt towards your source's understanding of the situation. It lends itself to misplaced presumption.

Seriously, no one in their right mind would have given either a contract out of anything other than pity.
 
Menzel is worth the punt in my opinion, the other 2 not so much. Still, I'd pay them all more than Dmac despite his infuriating ability to remain injury free.

I wouldn't have given any of them $400k, but somewhere in the $300-350k range sounds about right considering all had played a fair bit of senior footy
 

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