Cunnington v Martin

[Spanish_Fly]

I heard the head of junior development for Football Vic on the radio a few weeks back(can't remember name atm) and he said he was amazed that Martin was even playing senior football this year given how far behind the other draftees he was in terms of fitness and elite training.

He hasn't been in the "system" like all the other top picks and played the previous 2 years at some local team in Sydney and was miles behind the others.

Those who think Martin doesn't have scope for improvement are in for a huge shock. Have a look at most of his games this year, he blitzes first qtr, (has had 14 touches or so multiple times), has a decent second and then fades due to fitness. The exception has been the last few weeks where DH has sussed this out and kept him off the ball for large periods early to enable him to run out games better.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

I genuinely believe that Scully and Trengove are better prospects than Martin. They are both far better endurance athletes and any physical advantage that Martin presently has won't remain.

Martin is a quality player, but he has the body of a 27 year old. Wayne Campbell said that he's never seen bigger thighs on a teenager, which is obviously due to his Maori heritage. Martin isn't built to run all day at a high cruising speed like some mids, which is why I reckon he'll fall short of the best mids in the competition in a few years time.

Oh really?

Tom Scully is 5 foot 11 and won't grow another 2 or 3 inches to match Martin. He'll almost certainly spend his entire career between 5-10kgs lighter as well.

Any physical advantage Martin has will remain.

 

[nicoledc109]

Martin is a freakshow, will be top five player in the league within a few seasons.

I don't think Cunnington has that scope, but he was excellent today and will be an exceptional player too. Needs to take the first option more though, as he has a tendency to get caught in possession.

I also think so.

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[THRILLHO]

Fair gulf between Martin and Cunnington, but Cunnington is always doing one or two things each game which tell me he'll be great.

 

[Brad Roo]

I genuinely believe that Scully and Trengove are better prospects than Martin. They are both far better endurance athletes and any physical advantage that Martin presently has won't remain.

The problem is that you would state the same thing if they averaged 4 possessions a game.

I'm sorry, but Melbourne supporters opinions of young Melbourne players is officially the most useless currency on bigfooty.com.

In comparison, it makes Zimbabwean Dollars look like solid gold bricks.

Martin is a quality player, but he has the body of a 27 year old. Wayne Campbell said that he's never seen bigger thighs on a teenager, which is obviously due to his Maori heritage. Martin isn't built to run all day at a high cruising speed like some mids, which is why I reckon he'll fall short of the best mids in the competition in a few years time.

Agree with this, Martin will not be a career midfielder.

He'll get too big.

He'll still be a very good footballer for 10-12 years.

Ziebell will be the same IMO.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

*giggles at "Cunnington ball magnet"*

No.

Martin > Cunnington, But i think Cunnington took the points on the day, hard not to in a winning side. Was good to see pics in the paper of Cunnington giving martin a dont argue like Martin is known for.

At the end of their careers there is a 90% chance Martin will be remembered as the better of the 2, no arguments there.

 

[Dez!]

The problem is that you would state the same thing if they averaged 4 possessions a game.

I'm sorry, but Melbourne supporters opinions of young Melbourne players is officially the most useless currency on bigfooty.com.

In comparison, it makes Zimbabwean Dollars look like solid gold bricks.

This coming from the most biased poster on here.

Wow.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Trengove and Scully say hi...

From a long way below North, having been comprehensively beaten by North this year and not being in a position to play finals, where Cunnington is.

HI BOYS!

HI JACK AND TOM!

HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

 

[theyellowsash]

you guys are making me wish north did die a couple of years ago. at least hawthorn and geelong supporters actually had/have a reason to be bragging self promoting one eyed twits.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

you guys are making me wish north did die a couple of years ago. at least hawthorn and geelong supporters actually had/have a reason to be bragging self promoting one eyed twits.

Obviously didnt read the entire thread where most North Supporters are saying Martin > Cunnington.

 

[jacko57]

Obviously didnt read the entire thread where most North Supporters are saying Martin > Cunnington.

you reckon he CAN read?

 

[Harry Manback]

I'm sorry, but Melbourne supporters opinions of young Melbourne players is officially the most useless currency on bigfooty.com.

In comparison, it makes Zimbabwean Dollars look like solid gold bricks.

Quoted for Lols.

This coming from the most biased poster on here.

Wow.

Quoted for truth.

Seriously, what a shit poster.

 

[theyellowsash]

Obviously didnt read the entire thread where most North Supporters are saying Martin > Cunnington.

well no but seeing comments like martin=handy back pocket, plus the general rubbish brought forth by bradroo, jozeph, ericsbananaman and other north nutters in this and other threads has left me quite disillusioned with north as a whole.

for the record, you seem quite sane.

edit: sorry bananaman i was looking at the wrong name, i meant sweetleftfoot

 

[EricisBananaman]

The problem is that you would state the same thing if they averaged 4 possessions a game.

But they dont average 4 possessions a game. They average over 20 possessions a game.

Idiot.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

The problem is that you would state the same thing if they averaged 4 possessions a game.

But they dont average 4 possessions a game. They average over 20 possessions a game.

Idiot.

And that was coming from a guy who thought/thinks Lachie Hansen will kick 40 goals in the last 8 weeks of the season.

 

[King Corey]

well no but seeing comments like martin=handy back pocket, plus the general rubbish brought forth by bradroo, jozeph, ericsbananaman and other north nutters in this and other threads has left me quite disillusioned with north as a whole.

for the record, you seem quite sane.

Step up mate, who was writing off Martin?

Martin is better. Their similar possession counts from Sunday are a nice triviality.

Ben is a little hesitant to kick and his awareness isn't top shelf. That said his ferocity and ability to emerge with the pill are very sound. Coupled with his potential size and eventual confidence and he could be a very effective player.

But Martin looks all class with a hard edge and Richmond supporters are going to love watching him for the next 10 years.

 

[Barnzy]

Step up mate, who was writing off Martin?

Martin is better. Their similar possession counts from Sunday are a nice triviality.

Ben is a little hesitant to kick and his awareness isn't top shelf. That said his ferocity and ability to emerge with the pill are very sound. Coupled with his potential size and eventual confidence and he could be a very effective player.

But Martin looks all class with a hard edge and Richmond supporters are going to love watching him for the next 10 years.

So what's the point of this thread? Other than trying to pump up Cunnington there was no point. O.P is an idiot but this is not exactly news is it? He compares one of Martin's stastically worst games this year to one of Cunningtons best and they're still even.

 

[Z_K]

So what's the point of this thread? Other than trying to pump up Cunnington there was no point.

I didn't read the OP, but I thought it was a great battle. Two 18yo ex-teamates drafted close together smacking the crap out of each other in the wet. Should be 10 years of it.

 

[dutchy12]

Personally I think the Scully v Hill match up was way more interesting and exciting.

 

[Hannabal]

Oh really?

Tom Scully is 5 foot 11 and won't grow another 2 or 3 inches to match Martin. He'll almost certainly spend his entire career between 5-10kgs lighter as well.

Any physical advantage Martin has will remain.

Do I need to spoon feed you ?

Clearly Scully won't ever be as strong as Martin, but he won't need to be and nor will we want him to be. Gut running is one of his major assets. He just needs to get his body to an appropriate AFL strength level, which Martin already has, hence the advantage that Martin currently has over other first year mids. This 'body ready now' advantage won't last. It's relative.

Martin's concern will be putting on too much weight.

 

[theyellowsash]

Step up mate, who was writing off Martin?

this idiot

Whilst Martin is a good player and will be a handy back pocket for Richmond in years to come, unless they trade him, Cunnington is something special, one of the best prospects to come out of the draft in the last 10 years, what worries me about Richmond is crybaby Jack Reiwolt when he doesn't get the ball kicked to him properly, gives the players a spray, what is he captain coach?, the players will get sick of him real quick, trade bait.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

That's called a wind-up, mate.

 

[Z_K]

Do I need to spoon feed you ?

Clearly Scully won't ever be as strong as Martin, but he won't need to be and nor will we want him to be. Gut running is one of his major assets. He just needs to get his body to an appropriate AFL strength level, which Martin already has, hence the advantage that Martin currently has over other first year mids. This 'body ready now' advantage won't last. It's relative.

Martin's concern will be putting on too much weight.

Martin is clearly a clearance footballer. He takes them inside and gets away from traffic. He has two cannon legs and at 18 years old toys with season footballers physically. He is a machine.

His endurance is good enough with half an AFL pre-season to see him get alot of quality posession already and he will only get stronger and leaner as he trains more specifically on certain areas.

 

[Infamy]

I genuinely believe that Scully and Trengove are better prospects than Martin. They are both far better endurance athletes and any physical advantage that Martin presently has won't remain.

Why? Is he going to get weaker from now on?
He's already competing with men at the top level and is already amongst the top players in the AFL for clearances.

Martin is a quality player, but he has the body of a 27 year old. Wayne Campbell said that he's never seen bigger thighs on a teenager, which is obviously due to his Maori heritage. Martin isn't built to run all day at a high cruising speed like some mids, which is why I reckon he'll fall short of the best mids in the competition in a few years time.

So first he's going to get weaker and now he can't get fitter after more preseasons? Seriously, stop posting.


As for Martin Vs Cunnington, good to see Cunnington on the improve, but Martin has been doing it and better all year.

 

[tigerfan12]

So what melbourne supporters and a couple of north people are saying is martin has peaked physically and he will never be fit enough to be elite?

First of all scully and trengrove actually have more work in front of them to get their bodys right than martin does, secondly give martin a couple of pre seasons and he'll be voss like.