D4 Section Ammos pt 1 (2005-2007)

[Margim]

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I only made it for the second half of the reserves game between Bulleen and the cigarette papers. Tis a shame really, would've been good to go two wins in a row for the reserves.
The seniors lead all day, but to no avail, eventually losing by 5 points. Congratulations to the cigarette papers for snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, and a special mention goes out the lack of competent umpiring today. What was observed today was pretty woefull me thinks.
If this gets me into trouble, I don't particularly care, the umpires today need to go to the Royal Eye and Ear Hospital to have their eyes checked (considering they probably have a combined age of about 400 years). Either be consistant or don't umpire at all.


huru

Don't know what they did or didn't see - but being personally tripped, held, pushed in the back, taken in the head and held off the ball over the course of the day, it didn't seem to me like the umpires needed too much help in giving frees...

 

[sixty5]

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Don't know what they did or didn't see - but being personally tripped, held, pushed in the back, taken in the head and held off the ball over the course of the day, it didn't seem to me like the umpires needed too much help in giving frees...

My comments are made from a spectators perspective. If that's what happened to you on the field yesterday, well, I'm sorry... My comments were not meant to be biased towards Bulleen. The umpiring yesterday was lower than D4 quality. Both sides copped it from the men (if that's what you call them) in white. I just hope that these two men do not umpire games for our clubs again.


huru

 

[Ruck Machine]

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See the VAFA site is up to it's usual, no scores yet.
Must have been something in the air today for the men in white. The 2 at Punt Rd refused to give a decision, and I would say prior to the last quarter Richmond hardly got a call go their way. It was bad both ways, but amazing how the percieved better team gets the benifit of doubt.
Anyway it was a decent spectacle as both sides had a crack. BH limped over the line by 5 odd goals i think. Similar score line in the ressies as well.
First time I have seen Richmond this year. Definately improved. Keep up the good work Waz, your boys are on the right track for sure.

I agree that RC were getting a rough deal.

Umpire consistency is the major issue in D4, especially the interpretation of the holding the ball rule.

We must remember it is D4 and should appreciate that people are willing to take time out of there Saturdays to help us out.

Also when looking at other results from around D4 a 4 goal win isn't too shabby (Eltham over Nth Brunny by 34 and St Mary's over Eley by 38 the largest margin of the round).

 

[sixty5]

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I agree that RC were getting a rough deal.

Umpire consistency is the major issue in D4, especially the interpretation of the holding the ball rule.

We must remember it is D4 and should appreciate that people are willing to take time out of there Saturdays to help us out.

Also when looking at other results from around D4 a 5 goal win isn't too shabby (Eltham over Nth Brunny by 34 and St Mary's over Eley by 38 the largest margin of the round).

Fair call, just blinded by frustration...

 

[ant22]

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Agree on the umpiring in the centrals game. The tall guy in particular had a shocker. Hi missed a few very obvious holding the man decisions which would have given the centrals a couple of shots from inside 50 and he also missed a couple of throws from BH right under his nose that from memory resulted in goals in the 3rd quater when the centrals looked like getting back in it. Still its not an easy job and someone has to do it. Having said all that BHN deserved the win. They handled the wet conditions alot better and seemed to have a few more big bodies that got behind the footy.

 

[nellup]

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Wasn't going to buy into these comments about umps, but,I've gotten some compliments here in the past so I guess you have to take the brick bats as well,not me any one is talking about,not my game,but I do know who you are talking about.I get to see appointment sheets.

Sixty5,don't worry about getting into trouble,you are entitled to you're opinion,as is spy1,both are reasonable comments,65 you did tame yours down a bit with subsequent posts and rucky stepped in with moderation.

All umps,just like players,have off days,us above anyone know this, as part of our training is self assesment,and believe it or not we are pretty hard on ourselves,and then there are the observers who watch us and put in reports.

I have been in many rooms after a game as a player and know that players are self critical and will go over their game and that of their mates,umps do this too,we are pretty frank with each other and we learn from this as your running partner for the day is a good person to asses your performance.

Nothing I'de like better than to come off the field and say,"I don't think I stuffed up today",well surprise,surprise,that has never happened.

I'm not making excuses here,we are human,we do stuff up,what I am making a meal of saying is,we try not to,but I say again,we are human.

spy1 you may be correct about there being something in the air on sat.I put in a below par performance at my game and I know it,put myself in for in game assesment with a senior training up,so we will see what comes of that.

 

[spy1]

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Nelly, I will PM you with a bit more detail. In a nutshell; it was one of those games where the umps let a lot go. Sometimes that can really add to the spectacle, and at times this was the case. For me it wasn't bad decisions paid, it was obvious decisions not made. I understand, having had a dabble in the 'Dark Arts' at ressies level, how often a player may obstruct your view. In this case the right call is no call. But there did seem to be a fair amount of times where strong, illegal contact was made and there was no problem with the umpires view.
Now, again, I'm only surmising; the ground was soft and larger than most at this level. Both teams went really furiously for at least the first half. This would have meant a bit of fatigue for the umps. It looks like it was less taxing to wave play on a lot than blow the whistle and run in to control. We also saw a unusual amount of holding the ball as opposed to balling up. Again a lot less effort required to give free than run all the way to the contest and throw it up.
To Richmond and BH's credit there were no major flare ups, just the odd show of strength. But the frustration in the large crowd was often evident. Still, nothing like yelling at an umpire for relieving stress. You should be recieving a kick back from the Heart Foundation for services to the public in the form of mass stress relief. lol.
BTW.
I'm sure the forum appreciates your honesty and there in your ability to educate about the life and stresses faced by our 'friends' in white.

 

[bowman11]

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Predictably, not brave enough to make any predictions but wants to pot others!
What do you do Christmas eve? Knock on doors and tell the kids there is no Santa Claus?
Is you "no 9" comment a prediction?? Well sort of but it can't be as that would be putting yourself out there.

Remember, Papa to win comp b and f and Saints to smash your very average team!

Want to have a wager on your Papa selection?
Even his injury yesterday won't matter.

Saus Again you refuse to "have a go & nominate a game" - Surely you have read other posts about your comments. You have declared 3 things so far,

• St Marys to win the D4 Premiership undefeated WRONG
• Papa to win the D4 B&F - jumped on the bandwagon of a recruit dropping from the top grade to the lowest. What insight! Yet to be proven!
• Papa wouldn't play Saturday Correct - wow, earth shattering prediction that many knew. Your comment of "you heard it first from me" - sounds as though you need Big Footy people to pat you on the back b/c you don't get it anywhere else in life!

You clearly know very little about D4 footy - Here is another challenge for you to avoid and fail at. Show some courage & nominate a D4 game we can meet at & watch. What about Rich Centrals - Bigwaz could look after us???? Last chance offer closes this week.

• How many votes is Papa now?
• Is he in front of Number 9 St Marys, C Armstrong?
• Who do you think will finish 2nd/3rd in the Comp B & F

Over to you Show some courage for the first time in your life & answer the above - If you avoid the above again by trying to deflect the heat by continually to me you will sink even lower in everyone's opinion.

 

[Ruck Machine]

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My Round 10 Tip Results
Eltham over Nth Bwick - Correct
Uni High over Albert Park - Correct
Mt Lilydale over Sth Mornington - Correct
St Marys over Eley park - Correct
Bulleen over Syndal - Wrong
Box Hill over Richmond - Correct

5/6.

 

[ClarencePooCD]

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Nelly, I will PM you with a bit more detail. In a nutshell; it was one of those games where the umps let a lot go. Sometimes that can really add to the spectacle, and at times this was the case. For me it wasn't bad decisions paid, it was obvious decisions not made. I understand, having had a dabble in the 'Dark Arts' at ressies level, how often a player may obstruct your view. In this case the right call is no call. But there did seem to be a fair amount of times where strong, illegal contact was made and there was no problem with the umpires view.
Now, again, I'm only surmising; the ground was soft and larger than most at this level. Both teams went really furiously for at least the first half. This would have meant a bit of fatigue for the umps. It looks like it was less taxing to wave play on a lot than blow the whistle and run in to control. We also saw a unusual amount of holding the ball as opposed to balling up. Again a lot less effort required to give free than run all the way to the contest and throw it up.
To Richmond and BH's credit there were no major flare ups, just the odd show of strength. But the frustration in the large crowd was often evident. Still, nothing like yelling at an umpire for relieving stress. You should be recieving a kick back from the Heart Foundation for services to the public in the form of mass stress relief. lol.
BTW.
I'm sure the forum appreciates your honesty and there in your ability to educate about the life and stresses faced by our 'friends' in white.

Hi All - I'm new to the forum. I was out there rucking in the seniors for the Snakes and I thought the umpiring was ok. The challenge for us as players was the difference in style. Calling holding the ball alot is ok as long as we are all aware that is going to be the M/O for the day. I am a compulsive offender of dragging in the ball and we very very rarely get pulled up for it in D4. Its my feeling that given our general skill level in D4 that you want players trying to pick it up and run with the footy.

That aside - well done to BHN. That match was one of the most enjoyable for me this season, played in pretty good spirits. BHN handling the wet change much better than us Snakes was frustrating. Being my first year with the Snakes I can see week in week out improvement in the little areas dragging us out of matches, and I suspect if we can hold that unit of guys together for the rest of the year that next season we will be a highly competitive outfit.

Ruckmachine - are you a player and were you out there?

Well done to Waz and the team for putting on a great day (and then night)! Thanks to the BHN guys for sticking around for a bit - you blokes better repay the favour next year and put us up

 

[what an animal]

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5/6, Mornington boys let me down.

Sounds as if Box Hill vs Rich would have been good day and tight contest.

 

[Ruck Machine]

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Hi All - I'm new to the forum. I was out there rucking in the seniors for the Snakes and I thought the umpiring was ok. The challenge for us as players was the difference in style. Calling holding the ball alot is ok as long as we are all aware that is going to be the M/O for the day. I am a compulsive offender of dragging in the ball and we very very rarely get pulled up for it in D4. Its my feeling that given our general skill level in D4 that you want players trying to pick it up and run with the footy.

That aside - well done to BHN. That match was one of the most enjoyable for me this season, played in pretty good spirits. BHN handling the wet change much better than us Snakes was frustrating. Being my first year with the Snakes I can see week in week out improvement in the little areas dragging us out of matches, and I suspect if we can hold that unit of guys together for the rest of the year that next season we will be a highly competitive outfit.

Ruckmachine - are you a player and were you out there?

Well done to Waz and the team for putting on a great day (and then night)! Thanks to the BHN guys for sticking around for a bit - you blokes better repay the favour next year and put us up

Yes I am a player but didn't ruck, although Fish probably wished I had.

 

[TBone05]

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A lot of talk surrounding the umps this week. Want to just point out that we had by far the best performance so far this year by the umps in our match on the weekend (saints/sharks). I know one was Gerrard, the other was a big fella we haven't had before (thought he could have been the sainters Ruck/FF when he rocked up with gear). They paid everything that was there and were very consistent. Not sure what the saints boys thought of them but I know I thought it was welcome change from some of the very sub-standard performances we've had of late (I'm sure the Albert park boys would agree from the week before).

 

[bowman11]

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Saus Again you refuse to "have a go & nominate a game" - Surely you have read other posts about your comments. You have declared 3 things so far,

• St Marys to win the D4 Premiership undefeated WRONG
• Papa to win the D4 B&F - jumped on the bandwagon of a recruit dropping from the top grade to the lowest. What insight! Yet to be proven!
• Papa wouldn't play Saturday Correct - wow, earth shattering prediction that many knew. Your comment of "you heard it first from me" - sounds as though you need Big Footy people to pat you on the back b/c you don't get it anywhere else in life!

Originally Posted by Sausage roll
When the English professor explains to all what "gut out" means, I will answer all questions.
If you are continually trying to be smart by correcting other people's posts, then you need to get(gut!) your own english correct.

Simple question for a mental midget, what does gut out mean??

Please explain or you will sink even lower in everyone's opinion.
Dear Saus

Happy to explain & I'll keep you to your word/promise [When the English professor explains to all what "gut out" means, I will answer all questions.].

• "Gut out" is a slang term that can be interpreted to mean any/some of the following - shrink away from a challenge, back down, lack courage to face the music, fail to do the honourable thing etc
• It has nothing to do with your perceived idea that I misspelt the word "get."
• It is not a commonly used expression but if you have a friend ask them & they will explain perhaps in a similar way. Sorry for using Australian Slang that you don't understand.

Having completed your task we all at Bigfooty look forward to your answers as promised - I hope you don't "gut out!"
You clearly know very little about D4 footy - Here is another challenge for you to avoid and fail at. Show some courage & nominate a D4 game we can meet at & watch. What about Rich Centrals - Bigwaz could look after us???? Last chance offer closes this week.

• How many votes is Papa now?
• Is he in front of Number 9 St Marys, C Armstrong?
• Who do you think will finish 2nd/3rd in the Comp B & F

Over to you Show some courage for the first time in your life & answer the above - If you avoid the above again by trying to deflect the heat by continually to me you will sink even lower in everyone's opinion.

Over to you Meat

 

[Ruck Machine]

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Over to you Meat

Are they putting meat in sausage rolls these days?

 

[bowman11]

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Are they putting meat in sausage rolls these days?

Good get Machine!


"Just in the Head!" - Might be a bit cryptic for Saus

 

[what an animal]

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Over to you Meat

Hey Bowy,

Fair comments as it was said a few pages ago in this forum before i notice its been pulled, sausage roll is in fact a SKOB's person and has nothing to do with any D4 club only mates.

 

[ItchyFeet]

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Looking at results from the weekend maybe finals will be closer than we think. Good to see no team really got smashed. I think all 5 lower teams are starting to Gell with all their new players which could play for some upsets in the later rounds, lets hope!


Well done to BHN on the weekend good bunch of blokes and played in good spirits just unfortunately better on the day!

 

[bowman11]

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Hey Bowy,

Fair comments as it was said a few pages ago in this forum before i notice its been pulled, sausage roll is in fact a SKOB's person and has nothing to do with any D4 club only mates.

Agreed, I think all 12 Clubs from D4 appreciate genuine comments from a D4 perspective - not clowns wanting to stir up trouble between clubs. I think number 9 from St Marys is a genuine chance at the b & f.

Bowy

 

[Ruck Machine]

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Looking at results from the weekend maybe finals will be closer than we think. Good to see no team really got smashed. I think all 5 lower teams are starting to Gell with all their new players which could play for some upsets in the later rounds, lets hope!


Well done to BHN on the weekend good bunch of blokes and played in good spirits just unfortunately better on the day!

I have to say it was the most enjoyable game I've played this year. The RC boys were hard at it and fair, there were a few skirmishes but that is to be expected.

Also it was definitely the best RC team I've ever played against! Keep up the good work.

 

[bowman11]

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You have to love the "self appointed spokesman" don't you? Speaking on behalf of the majority, yeh right! For the record, it is "their" and not there. Must be a real genuis! It aint a typo!

Go saints and you have just ensured i will be posting even more regularly!!

Just a bit more for Saus

Earlier this year you said Papa would win the D4 B & F by a record margin - what is that amount that he has to win by?? Just so we know!

• here is another example of you criticising people for their spelling & you use ............. your sign off "GENUIS" - I repeat you really are a mental genius!

 

[Coach Hollywood]

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I would like to say personally here that although I have never played against Nth Brunny before, but knowing a number of people who have been part of the club, I doubt very much that their reputation is warranted and as in this case with St Mary's their is always 2 sides to the story. I'll make my own judgement when we play you!

As we will be playing them next week, i'm looking forward to a hard "but fair" physical game which i'm sure will be the case!!!!

I'd like to now comment on my previous post above and I'd just like to say that Saturday's match Vs North Brunswick was one of the most enjoyable matches i've played in D4 with Big Mousse playing his 300th game for their club it was always going to be a big day & it was played in great spirit, very tough but fair and a real slog by both teams. Therefore I pass my judgement in regards to their reputation as definetly being unwarranted IMO. Good luck for the rest of year Gazbats, Ozza & boys.

 

[port-man_fc]

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I'd like to now comment on my previous post above and I'd just like to say that Saturday's match Vs North Brunswick was one of the most enjoyable matches i've played in D4 with Big Mousse playing his 300th game for their club it was always going to be a big day & it was played in great spirit, very tough but fair and a real slog by both teams. Therefore I pass my judgement in regards to their reputation as definetly being unwarranted IMO. Good luck for the rest of year Gazbats, Ozza & boys.

The game was a cracker, i loved playing every minute of it!!!
I got 5/6 - Sth Morny also let me down... interesting result, saved AP some extra hard work

 

[TBone05]

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Agreed, I think all 12 Clubs from D4 appreciate genuine comments from a D4 perspective - not clowns wanting to stir up trouble between clubs. I think number 9 from St Marys is a genuine chance at the b & f.

Bowy

Yeah, Cam Armstrong I believe, he killed it against us (sharks) on the weekend. Although he did leave the ground after aggrevating his ankle with only minutes to go. Hopefully nothing serious.

 

[fatchicksneedlovintoo]

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4/6 aint too bad, considering how close all the matches were, are the conditions changing the way the top teams must play???or is the seasons length with no week off starting to take its toll??

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