Injury Dane Swan

[sr36]

In fairness to those players of yesteryear, forward defensive pressure was flat out not emphasized anywhere close to what it is these days.

Under a modern system, I see no reason why those players couldn't have that defensive game too. It's not really fair to compare sides of the game that are so different from era to era. Ball winning and scoring goals though? Not much has changed there.

Don't know about that. There's a few goal kickers who dominated in the past who I think would only be good average today because their dominant skill set was clunking their marks when leading into space. It wouldn't be as effective in modern structures.

 

[Gone Critical]

This would to be the period (can't remember when but maybe late 91?) when Daics and Ablett were the talk of the footy world for their freakish (and plain old freaky) scoring exploits, so that must shed some light on those who are too young to remember - that when his body couldn't stand up to the rigours of on-ball play, he went forward and shared the limelight with a player many consider the best ever.
He was a sensational player, the best I've seen in black and white, and I often could only hear that he was tearing it up from my position at the Dights Falls end as the members went off at Daics doing something impossible in the pocket....

I think you need to put into context Daicos's goal kicking. He was freakishly good but he played in an era when kicking a lot of goals by individual players was the norm. The talk of the footy world re kicking goals at that time also had to include the big 3 of the era Lockett Dunstall and Ablett. But there were a lot of other forward capable of kicking 100 goals in a season or near to that. Think Taylor, Modra, Brownless, Sumich, Longmire, Quinlan, Salmon, Beasley, Jackovich, Roach etc. You had rovers who would kick many goals and we're freaks like Matthews, Bartlett, Wilson. You had good rovers who still kicked plenty of goals like a Royal. You had medium forwards who had career totals similar to Daics like Osbourne or Hudson.

Point is the totals need to be considered in their time. Daics had a freakishly good season in 1991 but he was still 52 goals behind the leading goal kicker of the year Lockett and 36 behind 2nd Sumich. I am not trying to knock Daics because watching him play was more enjoyable that anyone bar Gav Brown in my time watching Collingwood. I also know because you love them and because you love watching them play you can mix their standing in the play. I say this also mostly to pump up Swannys tires because I believe even Collingwood supporters chronically under rate him.

At the end of the day Daics never got near emulating the period of brilliance Dane Swan had when he was AA for five years running, won Browmlows , MVPs, AFLPA awards and dominated media awards. Swanny had a long time at the very top of the tree. Bucks even more. Daics never was able to reach that level , very few have.

 

[PieNSauce]

I think you need to put into context Daicos's goal kicking. He was freakishly good but he played in an era when kicking a lot of goals by individual players was the norm. The talk of the footy world re kicking goals at that time also had to include the big 3 of the era Lockett Dunstall and Ablett. But there were a lot of other forward capable of kicking 100 goals in a season or near to that. Think Taylor, Modra, Brownless, Sumich, Longmire, Quinlan, Salmon, Beasley, Jackovich, Roach etc. You had rovers who would kick many goals and we're freaks like Matthews, Bartlett, Wilson. You had good rovers who still kicked plenty of goals like a Royal. You had medium forwards who had career totals similar to Daics like Osbourne or Hudson.

Point is the totals need to be considered in their time. Daics had a freakishly good season in 1991 but he was still 52 goals behind the leading goal kicker of the year Lockett and 36 behind 2nd Sumich. I am not trying to knock Daics because watching him play was more enjoyable that anyone bar Gav Brown in my time watching Collingwood. I also know because you love them and because you love watching them play you can mix their standing in the play. I say this also mostly to pump up Swannys tires because I believe even Collingwood supporters chronically under rate him.

At the end of the day Daics never got near emulating the period of brilliance Dane Swan had when he was AA for five years running, won Browmlows , MVPs, AFLPA awards and dominated media awards. Swanny had a long time at the very top of the tree. Bucks even more. Daics never was able to reach that level , very few have.

As I said, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I love Swanny and am in no doubt about him being a superstar of the game but the reality of awards is that we all know just how odd the voting can be when you see players like Matthews never having achieved a Brownlow. Even Swanny himself was robbed of a Brownlow in many people's minds but historically those awards go to mids. The reality of Daicos for me is that when people speak of him they, and even you have compared him to the great full forwards which says plenty for a small forward. IMO, what set Daics apart from the rest even if you discount his amazing ability to score was the aura around him and palpable fear of his opponents if he was in a contest. His ball sense and ability to evade a tackle was second to no player I have ever seen which set up that aura and as far as I'm concerned, Swanny has never reached those heights. Again, all good but agree to disagree.

 

[Vicky Park]

Guest mod on BigFooty ...

Swanny a mod on BF? After about five minutes, he'd tell you all to get stuffed.

 

[Kappa]

In fairness to those players of yesteryear, forward defensive pressure was flat out not emphasized anywhere close to what it is these days.

Under a modern system, I see no reason why those players couldn't have that defensive game too. It's not really fair to compare sides of the game that are so different from era to era. Ball winning and scoring goals though? Not much has changed there.

Not sure if serious... ?

Average disposal numbers have massively inflated recently and so has the way teams score goals.. in the "olden" days you'd regularly have 1 monster forward kicking the majority of your score, nowadays a forward getting 6 goals is incredibly rare and teams score goals in a very different method.

 

[Kappa]

Swanny a mod on BF? After about five minutes, he'd tell you all to get stuffed.

TBH I think he'd have a chuckle then go out to the nearest night club and forget about it...

The coaches would give him FAR harsher criticism than anything here on BF, doubt any would faze him anyway.

 

[Vicky Park]

TBH I think he'd have a chuckle then go out to the nearest night club and forget about it...

Half his luck then.

 

[Dundalis]

As I said, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I love Swanny and am in no doubt about him being a superstar of the game but the reality of awards is that we all know just how odd the voting can be when you see players like Matthews never having achieved a Brownlow. Even Swanny himself was robbed of a Brownlow in many people's minds but historically those awards go to mids. The reality of Daicos for me is that when people speak of him they, and even you have compared him to the great full forwards which says plenty for a small forward. IMO, what set Daics apart from the rest even if you discount his amazing ability to score was the aura around him and palpable fear of his opponents if he was in a contest. His ball sense and ability to evade a tackle was second to no player I have ever seen which set up that aura and as far as I'm concerned, Swanny has never reached those heights. Again, all good but agree to disagree.

You can probably forget all about the awards. Dane Swan has regularly been in the conversation as the best 2 or 3 players in the game for the better part of a decade and rightly so. Matthews despite no Brownlow is talked about as the best player of all time. Awards play no part in that, he was consistently regarded as one of the best in his day. It's the level of consistent elite play.

I'm also not sure how the opponents fear of him set Daicos apart from the rest. There were numerous players from the era that had the same effect on their opponents if not more so and for a lot longer too. Back in those days it was easier for individuals to dominate on elite talent alone, as they were more often than not simply having to beat their direct opponent. Players these days don't have the same luxury as they are having to beat an entire defensive system.

Daicos was a quality player, but injury really prevented him from being in these type of discussions IMO. He never got that consistency of outstanding play over a number of years to the point where he would genuinely be considered up there as one of the best couple players in the game like Buckley, Swan and Pendlebury have.

 

[Anzacday]

You can probably forget all about the awards. Dane Swan has regularly been in the conversation as the best 2 or 3 players in the game for the better part of a decade and rightly so. Matthews despite no Brownlow is talked about as the best player of all time. Awards play no part in that, he was consistently regarded as one of the best in his day. It's the level of consistent elite play.

I'm also not sure how the opponents fear of him set Daicos apart from the rest. There were numerous players from the era that had the same effect on their opponents if not more so and for a lot longer too. Back in those days it was easier for individuals to dominate on elite talent alone, as they were more often than not simply having to beat their direct opponent. Players these days don't have the same luxury as they are having to beat an entire defensive system.

Daicos was a quality player, but injury really prevented him from being in these type of discussions IMO. He never got that consistency of outstanding play over a number of years to the point where he would genuinely be considered up there as one of the best couple players in the game like Buckley, Swan and Pendlebury have.

Nailed it.

 

[Lynne14]

Daics started as a 17 year old and Swanny didn't really start playing regular senior footy until he was 22. Swanny definitely has durability over Daics.

 

[Lynne14]

Think Swan has had more of impact and consistency as a player nearly one a Brownlow in his second full season in 2007 and has continued to poll votes since. The most of any other pie player. It is his consistency to play well and the way he plays the game inspires the other young players. Certainly missing his leadership at the moment on the field.

 

[iado]

I think you need to put into context Daicos's goal kicking. He was freakishly good but he played in an era when kicking a lot of goals by individual players was the norm. The talk of the footy world re kicking goals at that time also had to include the big 3 of the era Lockett Dunstall and Ablett. But there were a lot of other forward capable of kicking 100 goals in a season or near to that. Think Taylor, Modra, Brownless, Sumich, Longmire, Quinlan, Salmon, Beasley, Jackovich, Roach etc. You had rovers who would kick many goals and we're freaks like Matthews, Bartlett, Wilson. You had good rovers who still kicked plenty of goals like a Royal. You had medium forwards who had career totals similar to Daics like Osbourne or Hudson.

Point is the totals need to be considered in their time. Daics had a freakishly good season in 1991 but he was still 52 goals behind the leading goal kicker of the year Lockett and 36 behind 2nd Sumich. I am not trying to knock Daics because watching him play was more enjoyable that anyone bar Gav Brown in my time watching Collingwood. I also know because you love them and because you love watching them play you can mix their standing in the play. I say this also mostly to pump up Swannys tires because I believe even Collingwood supporters chronically under rate him.

At the end of the day Daics never got near emulating the period of brilliance Dane Swan had when he was AA for five years running, won Browmlows , MVPs, AFLPA awards and dominated media awards. Swanny had a long time at the very top of the tree. Bucks even more. Daics never was able to reach that level , very few have.

I agree with you, but context is bit like Gastev, dragging Daicos to ground on the boundary line. It's not wrong but Daics still scores...

 

[CFC2010]

Nathan Buckley tells Dane Swan Collingwood wants him to play on in 2017
45 minutes ago
LAUREN WOODHerald Sun

COLLINGWOOD wants injured star Dane Swan to play on, but the Brownlow medallist remains steadfast that he won’t continue his career if he has even the slightest doubt.



Swan, 32, met with coach Nathan Buckley over breakfast last week and said the conversation was “really positive”.

The midfielder is contracted to the end of this season but is facing a battle to return to football after suffering three broken bones in his foot — including a serious Lisfranc fracture — in Round 1 of this season.

“From what I can gather, yeah, they would be really keen to have me play on but I’m not going to play on if I don’t think I can contribute at the level that I want to and I know I can,” Swan said on Triple M on Friday morning.

“It really all comes down to my foot. If my foot is OK and I think I can play at a high level, I certainly will try and play on, but I’m not going to go through a year like I did a couple of years ago and get half way through pre-season and think ‘What am I doing, I can’t even run’ and all the supporters start hating me and the club starts thinking they’ve made a mistake my re-signing me.”

Swan said he would never consider playing at another club.

Collingwood wants champion midfielder Dane Swan to play on in 2017 despite likely season-ending injury. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
“Absolutely not. Maybe Westmeadows – the local club,” he joked.

Magpies president Eddie McGuire praised Swan’s honesty throughout his recovery, saying the club won’t put itself before his long-term health.

“There is no-one who loves the club more than Dane Swan and he has been absolutely nothing more than so honest in the way he has gone about it,” McGuire said.






“We don’t want Swanny having to think ‘Oh jeez. I’m going to have to really go hard here and show that I can get back’ and maybe even muck up his leg for the rest of his life or something.


“We want him to get himself right and if it is all systems go, the first bloke picked on the list is Dane Swan.”

Key forward Travis Cloke — who hasn’t featured at senior level since Round 4 — will find out later on Friday if he is in the final 22 that will face Port Adelaide on Sunday.

Swan said his teammate will be better for his time in the VFL and is backing him to return to being a dominant force.

Dane Swan broke his leg and foot in the opening minutes of Collingwood’s Round 1 game this year. Picture: Phil Hillyard
“The footy club have made him earn (his spot), which is their decision. He got sent back and told some things he had to work on and had to find some enjoyment again,” Swan said.

“He had to be picked on his merit and on his form and I think the last game he played he marked really well and kicked four and contested really well which was exactly what Bucks was asking of him.

“He hasn’t been gifted it – they wouldn’t have picked him if he hadn’t played well.

“I have no doubt that he’ll have a big impact for us going forward. We certainly need him in the finals.

“He’s a big-game player and when he’s at his best, he takes as good a contested mark as anyone. In finals you know that’s exactly what you need. I have no doubt that he’s going to be better for the month in the twos and he’ll come out and really play some good footy.”

 

[Kirby]

I Swanny.

I miss him too

 

[Wooljay]

I'd happily sign him on a 5 year contract just to be our mascot.

 

[CFC2010]

I'd happily sign him on a 5 year contract just to be our mascot.

Someone has to drive the Collingwood Party Bus!

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

I'd happily sign him on a 5 year contract just to be our mascot.

Bit humiliating for Swanny to walk around in that magpie costume.

 

[Dogs_Playing_Poker]

“There is no-one who loves the club more than Dane Swan"

Didn't Eddie Say this about Bucks a few weeks ago? Who loves the club more Ed? Bucks or Swanny?

Anyway I do hope Swanny gets back and plays one more season. Simply love the bloke....

 

[Wooljay]

Bit humiliating for Swanny to walk around in that magpie costume.

who said anything about a costume

 

[Pie eyed]

Swanny a mod on BF? After about five minutes, he'd tell you all to get stuffed.

Swanny is too laid back for that.

 

[The Young Chevalier]

What a hero, champion, legend.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Anyone know what he's been up to?

Haven't seen footage of him around the club or in the rooms during games, doesn't strike me as the type either.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Great news. Hope he goes around for a proper full year send off.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

97 goals in 1990 alone puts Daicos in rarefied air. He possessed a freaky ability to do the impossible, and he did so consistently. I'd never question your choices as examples of brilliant Collingwood players, but Daics is right there if not above them. Agree to disagree here as well.

Those 97 goals with Brown playing full forward kicking late 40s something goals was incredible in 1990.
Swan for all his incredible talent, could never do Daicos.
Both outstanding in their way. Elite!

Suggest the loss of Swan this year was as bad a loss as could be. Just so smart on field, and though not a captain type is a leader on field.

 

[Eddie Van Halen]

Anyone know what he's been up to?

Haven't seen footage of him around the club or in the rooms during games, doesn't strike me as the type either.

Don't think he's been able to walk much the last 2 months or so. Lots of couch time.