Dane Swan

[Cousin of Daicos]

What it means is that even the best player in the comp has to work hard to get the big no of possies he does. Swan works hard, he tries. He can be better but too many in this thread have read way too much into his appearance on the field.

I don't disagree with much of what you say. Swan can improve his output but it not currently anywhere near the level of a player you would drop from the team

Right now, I'd rather Swan only gets 20 possies, but actually does damage with those possies lays some tackles, puts a shepherd on, maybe creates some space.

What is the point of 30 posessions that add nothing to your side?

You need to get your head out of the sand for more than 2 minutes and have a look at more than the stats. Stats don't always tell the story.

Look at the Hawthorn game last year where we flogged them by 9 goals despite Luke Hodges 40 posessions. We all know those 40 posessions may well not have existed. I've seen Hodge tear teams apart with 15.

It's not about posessions, it's about what you're doing with them, and it's about what you do OFF the ball as well.

Swan's posessions might as well not exist, and he's doing basically ZERO off the ball.

Again, before it's too late, and while it's early in the season, there's nothing wrong with giving him and Harry a wake up call.

How is it that Pendlebury manages to get 30 posessions a game and still lays more tackles than almost everyone at the club? It's about effort. I'm sorry, but the same way we held Bucks to a high standard in his day, Dane will be held to the same standard. It's what happens when you join the elite.

Had it only been one game, I wouldn't have a problem, but 3 games...in a row? I'm sorry, if you don't see anythign wrong, you're in denial.

 

[PieNSauce]

I never understand why people criticise the top players when the team is playing badly. There are a lot of players who arent doing enough. Why not concentrate on the lesser known players?

Agreed. Or better still, why not just accept that a huge change in the coaching panel and the philosophy will take significant time to adjust to. I know we all want instant success but it's rarely that simple. Bucks must be given time to establish his footprint before we judge anything IMO.

 

[the distributer]

Agreed. Or better still, why not just accept that a huge change in the coaching panel and the philosophy will take significant time to adjust to. I know we all want instant success but it's rarely that simple. Bucks must be given time to establish his footprint before we judge anything IMO.

If you have a senior midfielder applying no defensive preesure what so ever it puts a huge strain on the team, do you think our backs appreciate the ball coming in time after time with no pressure on the kicker? any backline will get found out if your mids aren't doing the basics, and swan isn't doing the basics, he's playing like a millionaire ATM, and the stats prove it.

 

[rez125]

Agreed. Or better still, why not just accept that a huge change in the coaching panel and the philosophy will take significant time to adjust to. I know we all want instant success but it's rarely that simple. Bucks must be given time to establish his footprint before we judge anything IMO.

Ridiculous statement. Bucks was one of their own.

Geelong had a totally different personality to adjust to and won the first 13 straight (and we both know what happened on that glorious Saturday in October).

Stop using excuses pies supporters, it's over and out for your mob.

 

[PieNSauce]

If you have a senior midfielder applying no defensive preesure what so ever it puts a huge strain on the team, do you think our backs appreciate the ball coming in time after time with no pressure on the kicker? any backline will get found out if your mids aren't doing the basics, and swan isn't doing the basics, he's playing like a millionaire ATM, and the stats prove it.

I prefer to look at what might be the reasons behind the stats rather than just the stats alone. It's all speculation in the end but I suspect that there's some validity to what I've been saying just as there may be to what you're saying. Perhaps I'm just more of a glass half full person.

 

[entourage]

Ridiculous statement. Bucks was one of their own.

Geelong had a totally different personality to adjust to and won the first 13 straight (and we both know what happened on that glorious Saturday in October).

Stop using excuses pies supporters, it's over and out for your mob.

How about you piss off, this is entirely non-constructive to the matter at hand and you're using it to troll about your GF win. Yes it was impressive with a first year coach, well done, but it was an anomaly, a great feat nonetheless, but it has nothing to do with this topic.

Bugger off.

P.S. nice effort against a bottom 8 calibre team on sunday, flog

 

[PieNSauce]

Ridiculous statement. Bucks was one of their own.

Geelong had a totally different personality to adjust to and won the first 13 straight (and we both know what happened on that glorious Saturday in October).

Stop using excuses pies supporters, it's over and out for your mob.

WTF are you on about? It's not about personality. What kind of f-wit would make such a stupid statement. There are no excuses here, only observations. If the utter crap in your post is an indication of your motivation in being on our board then I suspect you may be heading for a holiday.

 

[the distributer]

Ridiculous statement. Bucks was one of their own.

Geelong had a totally different personality to adjust to and won the first 13 straight (and we both know what happened on that glorious Saturday in October).

Stop using excuses pies supporters, it's over and out for your mob.

Enjoy your holiday.

 

[rez125]

WTF are you on about? It's not about personality. What kind of f-wit would make such a stupid statement. There are no excuses here, only observations. If the utter crap in your post is an indication of your motivation in being on our board then I suspect you may be heading for a holiday.

You were saying you thought the losses/bad play were a result of new coaching staff yes?

And if you could interpret my words correctly you'd realise that I was referring to our new coach of last year being a totally foreign person to the club. I was simply comparing an actual NEW coach to one that Collingwood has had around for years.

But get your knickers in a knot, it's really not surprising!

 

[rez125]

Enjoy your holiday.

Are we not allowed to have an opinion? Forgive me, I thought I'd stumbled upon a discussion forum about football.

My mistake!

 

[the distributer]

Are we not allowed to have an opinion? Forgive me, I thought I'd stumbled upon a discussion forum about football.

My mistake!

You're obviously new to BF mate and i hope our mod just gives you quiet warning because of that, you need to be very, very carefull when being critical of any team on their home board as an outsider, it's best to just not post unless you have something nice to say, doesn't matter if you're right or wrong.

 

[entourage]

The point is that you're not contributing to the discussion at all. You are trolling. Trollers get a card. Ergo...bugger off and enjoy your holiday.

 

[rez125]

You're obviously new to BF mate and i hope our mod just gives you quiet warning because of that, you need to be very, very carefull when being critical of any team on their home board as an outsider, it's best to just not post unless you have something nice to say, doesn't matter if you're right or wrong.

So you can only discuss facts about a specific team on a general board?

What is the point, jesus christ. Don't worry about 'carding' me, I'll refrain from attempting to discuss anything with a precious Collingwood supporter in the future. Toodle ooo boys!

 

[jathanas]

Are we not allowed to have an opinion? Forgive me, I thought I'd stumbled upon a discussion forum about football.

My mistake!

One is allowed to have an opinion. It always helps if the said opinion is well considered.

Your logic that the Collingwood side is dealing with a known entity (Buckley) and hence aren't dealing with change is flawed. Your conclusion that its over for the Pies is premature.

Anyway, thanks very much for your contribution to this forum. We'll remember you fondly.

 

[the distributer]

So you can only discuss facts about a specific team on a general board?

What is the point, jesus christ.

Not sayin i agree with it mate, it's just the way it is, if i could show you some of the cards i've recieved on oppossing team boards you would laugh your head off.

And, this isn't a general board, it's the Collingwood board, different rules apply here like on any team board, the AFL/Polls board etc etc are general boards.

 

[PieNSauce]

You were saying you thought the losses/bad play were a result of new coaching staff yes?

And if you could interpret my words correctly you'd realise that I was referring to our new coach of last year being a totally foreign person to the club. I was simply comparing an actual NEW coach to one that Collingwood has had around for years.

But get your knickers in a knot, it's really not surprising!

What I have been saying is that if you change a significant portion of the coaching staff including the head coach and at the same time you change the team philosophy in terms of self-motivation as is the case here and you modify the game plan and you add to that a whole bunch of injuries to key players as is the case then the results are fairly unsurprising. I have absolutely no idea how that leads you to the conclusion that it has anything whatsoever to do with personality.

The situation with Geelong was similar only in that the head coach changed although undoubtedly you would have had some injuries. What has completely changed in all of this is the fact that the longer serving Collingwood players would rarely if ever have had to be fully responsible for their own match day motivation. This is a responsibility that Mick felt was his and which Bucks quite rightly believes belongs to the players.

P.S. If the aim was to make excuses it would have been done on the Carlton board or in the bay. Not here where the tone is generally about constructive criticism and analysis of our own team.

 

[rez125]

One is allowed to have an opinion. It always helps if the said opinion is well considered.

Your logic that the Collingwood side is dealing with a known entity (Buckley) and hence aren't dealing with change is flawed. Your conclusion that its over for the Pies is premature.

Anyway, thanks very much for your contribution to this forum. We'll remember you fondly.

No. I was replying to a possible conclusion raised by the previous poster that Collingwood are having trouble adjusting to a new coaching staff hence things aren't going as smoothly as one would hope.

"perhaps we're taking time to adjust to a new coaching panel" or something to that effect. My observation was that Geelong had a new coach also but handled it much better and my OPINION is their downfall so far has nothing to do with said known entity (Buckley).

Simple enough for you?

 

[rez125]

I have absolutely no idea how that leads you to the conclusion that it has anything whatsoever to do with personality.

Um, I didn't literally mean Buckley's or Scott's personality has won or lost games.

I was using the word personality do describe a new person. ie. Chris Scott is a totally new personality to enter the GFC. You could also instead use the words; figure, individual, etc etc.

 

[Number 10]

You are a gimp

 

[the distributer]

Some people have to learn the hard way it would seem.

 

[rez125]

You are a gimp

Who Dane Swan?

Oh, you were referring to me. What an intelligent and thought provoking response!

Aufwiedersehen all, I can't be bothered explaining simple English and the ability to interpret the language anymore.

Its been fun.

 

[the woodsmen2010]

No. I was replying to a possible conclusion raised by the previous poster that Collingwood are having trouble adjusting to a new coaching staff hence things aren't going as smoothly as one would hope.

"perhaps we're taking time to adjust to a new coaching panel" or something to that effect. My observation was that Geelong had a new coach also but handled it much better and my OPINION is their downfall so far has nothing to do with said known entity (Buckley).

Simple enough for you?

Your a tool, scott stated himself he didnt need to do anything at geelong except manage their fitness, the had a great list of experienced players as scott said " didnt need coaching".....He didnt change the game plan at all like bucks is so good comparison ya tool...

 

[the distributer]

Who Dane Swan?

Oh, you were referring to me. What an intelligent and thought provoking response!

Aufwiedersehen all, I can't be bothered explaining simple English and the ability to interpret the language anymore.

Its been fun.

What did you think of Geelongs 0/4 start to the 07 season?, were they 'finished' too? lol, go away.

 

[rez125]

What did you think of Geelongs 0/4 start to the 07 season?, were they 'finished' too? lol, go away.

You certain on that fact? Might want to go back and re-read the stats mate!

 

[Number 10]

Who Dane Swan?

Oh, you were referring to me. What an intelligent and thought provoking response!

Aufwiedersehen all, I can't be bothered explaining simple English and the ability to interpret the language anymore.

Its been fun.

Cya cutn