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[Pdub]

Just having a stub with the great man @tomhawkins_ and chatting about his move to the Tri Colours#tomahawk#dangertrade#gethimover#favoriteplayer

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Tom Hawkins to Adelaide
Dangerfield to Geelong

Fair deal for us

 

[Jarman3]

I hope Adelaide do match and force the Cats to the trade table. pick #14 is crap for a player of Dangerfield's ability.

I think in the past, Geelong have been pretty good people to deal with so I think a deal will get done pretty early. How they then manage to get Henderson, I'm not sure, but that's none of your concerns.

3 way trade, maybe?

Dangerfield and Henderson to Geelong.

Geelong's 1st this year and Carlton's first next year (based on the assumption / hope that they climb a few spots next year) to the Crows.

Geelong's 1st and 2nd next year plus a player (Walker, maybe) and possibly a player from the Crows (Kerridge?) to Carlton.

Geelong get their players, Crows get their 2 first round picks for Dangerfield. Only downside might be for Carlton who don't get a first round pick for Henderson. But there's not much in his form to justify a first rounder IMO, so 2nd round in a strong draft next year plus a couple of players might be enough?

 

[Barneythecrab]

I will respecfully diagree. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Dangerfield wants to leave Adelaide and ONLY wants Geelong. Adelaide has lost significant leverage given that fact. He's a F/A who wants to come home for family reasons, so while that isn't Adelaide's problem and doesn't preclude them from their rights to match given the restricted component of Danger's F/A situation, Adelaide really only has one buyer.

The AFL and the Player's Association will not let Adelaide demand a ridiculously unreasonable compensation package and will put pressure on Adelaide to accept something which is reasonable given ALL of the facts. Pick #9 this year plus steak knives (GHS) and next year's second rounder is smack bang in the middle of pick #14 compensation and what you guys on here are baying for.

I'm not so sure why you guys (and some afc supporters) believe paddy whole heartedly when he says he only wants Geelong. Paddy knows that by stating this it only pushes his price further up amongst the other clubs and the cats.
Trust me mate. You cannot believe a thing this bloke says. He is very smart and a cunning bastard. He is not a team player and will take what suits his party.
You guys have not had paddy in your media constantly for the past 8 years. We have and we have been able to judge a man on his word. Let me tell you, it's not a sure thing.
Either way if he gets to Geelong, Melbourne, Saints, Gold Coast, Hawks etc etc. he will get the best deal for him, not your club.

BTW I am one supporter who is quite okay with him leaving. He does not fit into the mold of where our club is heading and a culture that we are fairly new to and trying to build. One that relies on team for success and playing for each other.
Good luck

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I will respecfully diagree. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Dangerfield wants to leave Adelaide and ONLY wants Geelong. Adelaide has lost significant leverage given that fact. He's a F/A who wants to come home for family reasons, so while that isn't Adelaide's problem and doesn't preclude them from their rights to match given the restricted component of Danger's F/A situation, Adelaide really only has one buyer.

The AFL and the Player's Association will not let Adelaide demand a ridiculously unreasonable compensation package and will put pressure on Adelaide to accept something which is reasonable given ALL of the facts. Pick #9 this year plus steak knives (GHS) and next year's second rounder is smack bang in the middle of pick #14 compensation and what you guys on here are baying for.

Pick 9, 2nd rounder and Murdoch would get it done I'd say

Danger is not a 'free agent' if we match the bid , that's why it's called a 'bid' when you are dealing with 'restricted' free agents so that theory doesn't
wash

 

[Mahlepi]

Why do you think that danger has not won more b&f awards in the past?

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

3 way trade, maybe?

Dangerfield and Henderson to Geelong.

Geelong's 1st this year and Carlton's first next year (based on the assumption / hope that they climb a few spots next year) to the Crows.

Geelong's 1st and 2nd next year plus a player (Walker, maybe) and possibly a player from the Crows (Kerridge?) to Carlton.

Geelong get their players, Crows get their 2 first round picks for Dangerfield. Only downside might be for Carlton who don't get a first round pick for Henderson. But there's not much in his form to justify a first rounder IMO, so 2nd round in a strong draft next year plus a couple of players might be enough?

Actually doesn't sound too bad for all parties. Not sure Carlton needs more fill up players, so maybe a second rounder from Adelaide instead of Kerridge.

 

[FantasticShirt]

Why do you think that danger has not won more b&f awards in the past?

Because others have had better and more consistent years. Last year for instance, Danger played injured for slabs of time and Talia was incredibly consistent throughout (and was AA).

 

[Jarman3]

Actually doesn't sound too bad for all parties. Not sure Carlton needs more fill up players, so maybe a second rounder from Adelaide instead of Kerridge.

Just realised it won't work.

Geelong can't trade their 1st AND 2nd next year.

I shouldn't think about list management on the bus

Maybe Geelong's 2nd this year, but thats not worth as much in a shallow draft.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Why do you think that danger has not won more b&f awards in the past?

Because Talia in 2014 had a better year, Sloane in 2013 had a standout year and Thompson in 2011 and 12 was out best player.

Are you suggesting something sinister?

 

[Mahlepi]

Because Talia in 2014 had a better year, Sloane in 2013 had a standout year and Thompson in 2011 and 12 was out best player.

Are you suggesting something sinister?

no trying to get a gauge where he sits, thompson doesnt get the accolades
seems like danger does the flashy stuff

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Why do you think that danger has not won more b&f awards in the past?

The defensive side of his game was poor until this year , his tackling stats nearly doubled this year

He also got banged up being a contested ball beast or bust , quite often diving onto the ball rather than showing composure and using his weapons which are run/carry

This year he avoided all that and was therefore playing with less injuries and had that burst speed

His kicking also lets him down at times

 

[Pdub]

Why do you think that danger has not won more b&f awards in the past?

Competition, he'll win plenty at Geelong though.

 

[Jack McKraken]

But that is not our problem. It's yours, if you want dangerfield, you need to find the assets to trade.

You can not go to the shop and want a pie and say, I only have $1.20 so give it to me anyway. Or you can not say, I have a $50 note but I don't want to break it, so sell me the pie anyway for the scraps I have in my pocket.

You need to get creative to make a deal happen or get disappointed when a trade doesn't happen.

I'm used to bring left without anything from crap trades, one more wont change anything.

So. Much. This.

 

[Smithtastic33]

Competition, he'll win plenty at Geelong though.

Scott will gift him 2 or 3

 

[Smithtastic33]

no trying to get a gauge where he sits, thompson doesnt get the accolades
seems like danger does the flashy stuff

I think it's as simple as others having better years in different years. Not everyone having a great year in the same year.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Pick 9, 2nd rounder and Murdoch would get it done I'd say

Danger is not a 'free agent' if we match the bid , that's why it's called a 'bid' when you are dealing with 'restricted' free agents so that theory doesn't
wash

Murdoch or GHS to me is six of one or half a dozen of the other. I'd prefer to keep Murdoch slightly, but I think Geelong would have a much easier time convincing GHS of moving back to Adelaide than they would Murdoch. Murdoch isn't from Adelaide, he's from Mount Gambier and has met a Geelong girl and has stated how happy he is living in Geelong. GHS on the other hand may be happier to move given that he's an inside mid who won't have a lot of opportunities with Danger and reportedly Scott Selwood in the midfield next year.

But honestly, I have tried to meet you guys half way with potential trades if Adelaide match. You can at least see that, but you may want to explain to your compatriots that the ridiculous demands of two firsts plus a Cockatoo or Gregson or both just will not happen.

 

[Elite Crow]

Why do you think that danger has not won more b&f awards in the past?

Our side is that good

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Murdoch or GHS to me is six of one or half a dozen of the other. I'd prefer to keep Murdoch slightly, but I think Geelong would have a much easier time convincing GHS of moving back to Adelaide than they would Murdoch. Murdoch isn't from Adelaide, he's from Mount Gambier and has met a Geelong girl and has stated how happy he is living in Geelong. GHS on the other hand may be happier to move given that he's an inside mid who won't have a lot of opportunities with Danger and reportedly Scott Selwood in the midfield next year.

But honestly, I have tried to meet you guys half way with potential trades if Adelaide match. You can at least see that, but you may want to explain to your compatriots that the ridiculous demands of two firsts plus a Cockatoo or Gregson or both just will not happen.

I agree that won't happen but either will GHS , we have guys on our list for his role that are better eg CEY

Might need to consider a 2nd round pick to replace a player if froggy isn't keen on moving from geelong

 

[Strangled Cat]

I'm not so sure why you guys (and some afc supporters) believe paddy whole heartedly when he says he only wants Geelong. Paddy knows that by stating this it only pushes his price further up amongst the other clubs and the cats.
Trust me mate. You cannot believe a thing this bloke says. He is very smart and a cunning bastard. He is not a team player and will take what suits his party.
You guys have not had paddy in your media constantly for the past 8 years. We have and we have been able to judge a man on his word. Let me tell you, it's not a sure thing.
Either way if he gets to Geelong, Melbourne, Saints, Gold Coast, Hawks etc etc. he will get the best deal for him, not your club.

BTW I am one supporter who is quite okay with him leaving. He does not fit into the mold of where our club is heading and a culture that we are fairly new to and trying to build. One that relies on team for success and playing for each other.
Good luck

I believe that Paddy loves Moggs Creek more than Mardi and his parents combined. He wants to lives there more than anything and there's no way he plans on commuting four hours a day to go to training. Geelong is 50 minutes from Moggs, so that's where his playing days from here on in will be at. Anything else he says, like anyone who I don't know from a bar of soap, is taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Jack McKraken]

Paul Marsh (AFLPA CEO) was on 5AA tonight. Some interesting comments made.

AFLPA expect Danger to get to Geelong, but support Adelaide matching any contract and then forcing a trade. Now, this blew me away because all I've heard lately is that it's not in the spirit of the rule, waa waa waa, yet here is the players union CEO openly supporting the rule as intended.

They also support compo. He didn't think it's perfect but thinks some form of compensation should be maintained.

 

[King Notorious]

Tom Hawkins to Adelaide
Dangerfield to Geelong

Fair deal for us

 

[Jack McKraken]

Murdoch or GHS to me is six of one or half a dozen of the other. I'd prefer to keep Murdoch slightly, but I think Geelong would have a much easier time convincing GHS of moving back to Adelaide than they would Murdoch. Murdoch isn't from Adelaide, he's from Mount Gambier and has met a Geelong girl and has stated how happy he is living in Geelong. GHS on the other hand may be happier to move given that he's an inside mid who won't have a lot of opportunities with Danger and reportedly Scott Selwood in the midfield next year.

But honestly, I have tried to meet you guys half way with potential trades if Adelaide match. You can at least see that, but you may want to explain to your compatriots that the ridiculous demands of two firsts plus a Cockatoo or Gregson or both just will not happen.

He's engaged to an Adelaide girl.

That aside, what is he like as a player? Seem to recall some early comments from cats fans saying take him, as if he was no good.

 

[King Notorious]

I hope Adelaide do match and force the Cats to the trade table. pick #14 is crap for a player of Dangerfield's ability

You sir, are accepted on this board

Someone with bloody common sense.

 

[ADL9798]

But honestly, I have tried to meet you guys half way with potential trades if Adelaide match. You can at least see that, but you may want to explain to your compatriots that the ridiculous demands of two firsts plus a Cockatoo or Gregson or both just will not happen.

Who has suggested this? This is continually brought up by your mob as the go to 'ridiculous Crows supporter trade suggestion that everyone keeps bringing up', and I don't think I've seen anyone suggest anything along these lines either in here or on the main forum.

Dangerfield for a first round pick + Cockatoo is about as close as any Crows supporter has come to what you've posted here.