Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[GTOA]

So even if the club were "shitty", what about the way in which your club and town went about it? - pages in the paper urging him to come home, the crowd cheering him whilst still a Crows player, signs over highways etc etc if you want to talk professionalism look in your own backyard first, the way in which you went about it warrants some "stuff you" behaviour.

Tell me the Adelaide Addy and the city of Adelaide wouldn't do the same thing if you were set to get Selwood, for example.

 

[Catatonic Shock]

Think about it mate.
Danger.
Henderson.
Selwood.
Smith.

How much do you reckon they would all cost?
Plus we've been linked to a few other players.

 

[1990crow]

Think about it mate.
Danger.
Henderson.
Selwood.
Smith.

How much do you reckon they would all cost?
Plus we've been linked to a few other players.

Fine, than pay 2 million for two years, lose all your players in the process. Sounds like a great idea!

 

[Amacca 23]

Tell me the Adelaide Addy and the city of Adelaide wouldn't do the same thing if you were set to get Selwood, for example.

we have plenty of room in our cap ,BETTS signed tex signed etc ,etc reilly retired pods retired siggins delisted thommo reduced contract lol get a grip you wanna rip us off your list is average at best and WE WILL match it so deal with it precious

 

[Catatonic Shock]

Fine, than pay 2 million for two years, lose all your players in the process. Sounds like a great idea!

Lose all our players?
Pretty sure the salary cap is higher than 2 mil...

 

[BrissyCrow]

But how are Carlton going to give the AFC a high pick if Dangerfield nominates to go into the National Draft, and they have to use pick 1 to get him? Dangerfield can be forced into the draft by the AFC refusing any trade offer for him, but he can't be forced into the Pre-Season Draft. This used to be possible, but list lodgement dates were changed to prohibit this from happening.

Trades have to be of commercial value and signed off by the AFL. Promising that you will match an offer for a free agent and then refuse to trade them so they end up in the draft is not what the AFL deems as being worth commercial value. That's draft tampering. For Carlton to give us high picks, we'd have to give them tangible assets that are commensurate with the value of those picks. Trading Dangerfield to Carlton with his consent would be an example of a tangible asset worthy of high picks. Forcing him into the draft so they can pick him is not.

You might be able to engineer a scenario behind closed doors in which we do a trade with Carlton that slightly favours the us. But we can't do what you propose and then turn around and trade Mackay and Wright for pick 1 and Troy Menzel.

Yep your right. What was I thinking. Carlton cant use pick no 1 twice although I am sure a few years back they might have tried.

 

[1990crow]

Lose all our players?
Pretty sure the salary cap is higher than 2 mil...

Lose all your other recruits, the ones you will need to replace all the retiring players

 

[Catatonic Shock]

Lose all your other recruits, the ones you will need to replace all the retiring players

We've been replacing retired players since 2011 when Ling, Ottens, Corey, Mooney and Milburn left...
I don't think guys like Stokes and Kelly leave bigger holes than those guys.

 

[1990crow]

We've been replacing retired players since 2011 when Ling, Ottens, Corey, Mooney and Milburn left...
I don't think guys like Stokes and Kelly leave bigger holes than those guys.

I'm not going to argue with you, you're clearly not going to get it

 

[GTOA]

Huh? ......so your're saying here that George Horlin Smith is worth a first round pick (9)......oh cmon

Two first round picks are the starting point ..plus a player

Given you're rebuilding you won't want to give too many picks away + you still have Henderson to trade for

Two first round picks won't hurt us long-term. We built our three premierships on players from Pick 30 on in the draft, and only Selwood, Bartel and Mackie were top ten.

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

So we will back in flag contention within three to five years, with our promising youngsters having 100-150 games in them by then, and we will still have Selwood, Harry Taylor, and Hawkins, and of course, Danger.

You claim to have a far better list then us, yet only finished a game and a half ahead this year. Without Dangerfield, how many more will you win then us next year, do you think?

Where will Adelaide be by then?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We are not going to get his "worth" in any deal that occurs. here's hoping we get something that is at least hopeful of achieving his worth over time.

West Coast did for Judd ......no difference in the circumstances .....if we match & we will ..no difference

 

[TheLeftFist8]

2 1st rounders and Murdoch…honestly can't see how either side can complain too much.

It's not as good as the Judd deal but it's reasonable.

 

[Crowked]

Two first round picks won't hurt us long-term. We built our three premierships on players from Pick 30 on in the draft, and only Selwood, Bartel and Mackie were top ten.

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

So we will back in flag contention within three to five years, with our promising youngsters having 100-150 games in them by then, and we will still have Selwood, Harry Taylor, and Hawkins, and of course, Danger.

You claim to have a better list then us, yet only finished a game and a half ahead next year. Without Dangerfield, how many more will you win then us next year, do you think?

Where will Adelaide be by then?

And Father son gifts

 

[headache1]

I'm not going to argue with you, you're clearly not going to get it

It might sink in when they're using picks in the 100's to fill the last few spots on their list.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Uhhh yeah we do...

You have no idea .....but no club has a $2M gap .....you do know you have a min % of TPP to stick to which makes that statement impossible

 

[headache1]

Two first round picks won't hurt us long-term. We built our three premierships on players from Pick 30 on in the draft, and only Selwood, Bartel and Mackie were top ten.

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

So we will back in flag contention within three to five years, with our promising youngsters having 100-150 games in them by then, and we will still have Selwood, Harry Taylor, and Hawkins, and of course, Danger.

You claim to have a better list then us, yet only finished a game and a half ahead next year. Without Dangerfield, how many more will you win then us next year, do you think?

Where will Adelaide be by then?

Worked pretty well for Hawthorn.

 

[1990crow]

2 1st rounders and Murdoch…honestly can't see how either side can complain too much.

It's not as good as the Judd deal but it's reasonable.

It's not ideal but we will have to take something like this.

 

[TexForPM]

Two first round picks won't hurt us long-term. We built our three premierships on players from Pick 30 on in the draft, and only Selwood, Bartel and Mackie were top ten.

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

So we will back in flag contention within three to five years, with our promising youngsters having 100-150 games in them by then, and we will still have Selwood, Harry Taylor, and Hawkins, and of course, Danger.

Where will Adelaide be by then?

Incorrect.
in 2 years you lose Lonergan and Mackie and most likely Taylor
You need draft picks and you will be giving them away. Next year and the year after you may be ok.
But after that those 2 first rounders we get could have be 30-40 games in.
Geelongs list management would have been prudent to advise Dangerfield to sign for 2 years and get him for free. But the greed has gotten to you and getting PD will weaken your club for length of his career.

You may also lose the opportunity of bringing in Selwood and Henderson.

 

[fpm84]

2 1st rounders and Murdoch…honestly can't see how either side can complain too much.

It's not as good as the Judd deal but it's reasonable.

FWIW I think Murdoch is very unlikely to want to leave. Geelong will consider him a required player, he signed a three year deal only a few months ago and he recently got engaged to a Geelong girl. He's clearly very settled here. I know Carlton pushed Kennedy out the door and Brisbane essentially did the same with Henderson, but I would be very surprised if Murdoch is put on the table.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Two first round picks won't hurt us long-term. We built our three premierships on players from Pick 30 on in the draft, and only Selwood, Bartel and Mackie were top ten.

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

So we will back in flag contention within three to five years, with our promising youngsters having 100-150 games in them by then, and we will still have Selwood, Harry Taylor, and Hawkins, and of course, Danger.

You claim to have a far better list then us, yet only finished a game and a half ahead this year. Without Dangerfield, how many more will you win then us next year, do you think?

Where will Adelaide be by then?

I ....Me ...claimed nothing of the sort

You conveniently forget that Geelong has been the major beneficiary of Father / Sons ......now the rules have changed ...guess what YOU DO NEED TOP 10 PICKS

 

[1990crow]

FWIW I think Murdoch is very unlikely to want to leave. Geelong will consider him a required player, he signed a three year deal only a few months ago and he recently got engaged to a Geelong girl. He's clearly very settled here. I know Carlton pushed Kennedy out the door and Brisbane essentially did the same with Henderson, but I would be very surprised if Murdoch is put on the table.

Cockatoo it is then

 

[Deaneus!]

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

Odd that a Geelong supporter would forget about Hawthorn...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

2 1st rounders and Murdoch…honestly can't see how either side can complain too much.

It's not as good as the Judd deal but it's reasonable.

Yep iam happy with that ....the player is debatable ...if we get Menzel Murdoch may not be needed

 

[headache1]

I ....Me ...claimed nothing of the sort

You conveniently forget that Geelong has been the major beneficiary of Father / Sons ......now the rules have changed ...guess what YOU DO NEED TOP 10 PICKS

Yeah, under the F/S system we've had since then, and the one that's about to come in, picking Hawkins would have meant no Selwood.

 

[Bovo]

Two first round picks won't hurt us long-term. We built our three premierships on players from Pick 30 on in the draft, and only Selwood, Bartel and Mackie were top ten.

Top ten picks are overrated anyway (how many teams who tanked for early picks have gone on to win flags- that's right- zero).

So we will back in flag contention within three to five years, with our promising youngsters having 100-150 games in them by then, and we will still have Selwood, Harry Taylor, and Hawkins, and of course, Danger.

Where will Adelaide be by then?

Collingwood and Hawthorn say hello.

Hawks finished in the bottom 3 in 2004 and 2005. Got some pretty good picks that assisted in their premiership. They have won 3 premierships since then....and will probably win their fourth.

Collingwood got Daisy and Pendles in their 2004 /2005 bottom out years.

So....um....