Dani Bacha - The Block

[bunsen burner]

Seems most people are outraged that a convicted criminal is allowed to go on a TV program. Some polls I have seen show that 66% of people think Channel 9 should have chopped him from the show. It seems most people's reasoning is that a convicted criminal doesn't deserve to have a good job, or even 15 minutes of fame.

There used to be a thread titled 'Are most people stupid?'. Judging by the average person's logic shown on this issue, I'd have to agree. People who think that a person must continue to pay for a crime after they have served their time are inherently stupid. Jail is as much about rehabilitation than punishment.

Here's just a few points for people to weigh up:

1) Punishing a people for the rest of their lives will not prevent crime. There is no evidence that it will even reduce crime either.
2) This is the one that really astounds me: If we give the message out that if people are to commit crimes then they will never be able to get good jobs, if a job at all. We may as well just say to them, "Hey look buddy, you'd be better of staying in crime because you ain't getting a decent straight job". Hardly rehabilitation and hardly the thinking of a non-stupid person.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by rfctigerarmy
Yes except I dont know who he is or why he should be booted.

The definition of stupidity.

Sorry to offend, but if you have an opinion, you should know why and have a decent way of justifying it. Maybe you should hold your opinion until you read what a heap of people here say and then form a decision. Having an opinion without thinking over the facts, variables, solutions, and outcomes is not a good way to go.

 

[jacqui9]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Seems most people are outraged that a convicted criminal is allowed to go on a TV program. Some polls I have seen show that 66% of people think Channel 9 should have chopped him from the show. It seems most people's reasoning is that a convicted criminal doesn't deserve to have a good job, or even 15 minutes of fame.

There used to be a thread titled 'Are most people stupid?'. Judging by the average person's logic shown on this issue, I'd have to agree. People who think that a person must continue to pay for a crime after they have served their time are inherently stupid. Jail is as much about rehabilitation than punishment.

Here's just a few points for people to weigh up:

1) Punishing a people for the rest of their lives will not prevent crime. There is no evidence that it will even reduce crime either.
2) This is the one that really astounds me: If we give the message out that if people are to commit crimes then they will never be able to get good jobs, if a job at all. We may as well just say to them, "Hey look buddy, you'd be better of staying in crime because you ain't getting a decent straight job". Hardly rehabilitation and hardly the thinking of a non-stupid person.

Rehabilitation - what a bloody joke.

They decided to commit a crime and to perhaps hurt people in the process. Why the hell should they be given leniency. Just like Chopper Read getting all this publicity.

Absolute joke - while the rest of us struggle to pay for an education.

 

[bacon buster]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Sorry to offend, but if you have an opinion, you should know why and have a decent way of justifying it. Maybe you should hold your opinion until you read what a heap of people here say and then form a decision. Having an opinion without thinking over the facts, variables, solutions, and outcomes is not a good way to go.

perhaps he was agreeing with your 'general' points, which does not require him to know the specifics of the dani bacha case.

anyway, i also agree. but i'd say channel 9 would be happy with the amount of publicity the block is getting.

 

[bunsen burner]

Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by jacqui9
Rehabilitation - what a bloody joke.

They decided to commit a crime and to perhaps hurt people in the process. Why the hell should they be given leniency. Just like Chopper Read getting all this publicity.

Absolute joke - while the rest of us struggle to pay for an education.

That's all well and good. In principle I agree. But do you think it is a good idea to tell these people that there is no point trying to go straight? Maybe you you should put your little heart strings away and think about the whole picture.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by rfctigerarmy
Who is he bunsen burner and what did he do?

No one and nothing.

I'm just amazed when I hear how many people are outraged that a criminal who has served his time has a legit job. Pure stupidity. Defies belief. The fact that 2/3 of people are in this boat is alarming.

 

[jacqui9]

Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by bunsen burner
That's all well and good. In principle I agree. But do you think it is a good idea to tell these people that there is no point trying to go straight? Maybe you you should put your little heart strings away and think about the whole picture.

Heart strings have nothing to do with it. My dad has worked in Correctional Services for fifteen years. He has worked at Risdon Prision in Hobart for ten years, and now at Yatala in Adelaide. I know it inside and out and the public dont know half of what goes on.

Dad was placed on a special group to take care of Martin Bryant, he knows Chopper Read very well and was the one who found Rory Jack Thompson hanging in his cell.

I know how it all works. Prisioners get the best of everything. Prison is supposed to be a deterent, not a holiday camp.. It is the biggest reason why some people re-offend - or in some cases, threaten to re-offend so they dont have to live on the outside.

 

[BluesBabe666]

I dont have an opinion on it one way or the other. Care factor is 0.

I'm too self absorbed to care.

And also, i am an idiot.

 

[red+black]

shouldn't be on the show. simple.

will there be a lesbian couple this time, or another token gay couple? or heaven forbid, 4 heterosexual couples? what about a single mother with 2 kids via IVF?

 

[bunsen burner]

Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by jacqui9
Rehabilitation - what a bloody joke.

a) Although most offenders re-offend, we can't deny the the opportunity to rehab
b) He's got a legit job, and you are panning him for it. You want it taken away from him. You're an idiot.

They decided to commit a crime and to perhaps hurt people in the process.

And you want to encourage them to commit more crime. Where's your logic?

Why the hell should they be given leniency.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he was sentenced to a jail sentence only. Not a lifetime of getting the sack from any decent job he wins.

Just like Chopper Read getting all this publicity.

Different issue. Chopper is profiting from his crimes.

Absolute joke - while the rest of us struggle to pay for an education.

Boo-hoo.

Ps You're obviously not earning enough. Maybe none at all.

 

[bunsen burner]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by jacqui9
Dad was placed on a special group to take care of Martin Bryant, he knows Chopper Read very well and was the one who found Rory Jack Thompson hanging in his cell.

Relevance?

I know how it all works. Prisioners get the best of everything. Prison is supposed to be a deterent, not a holiday camp.. It is the biggest reason why some people re-offend - or in some cases, threaten to re-offend so they dont have to live on the outside.

You don't know how it works and you (and your Dad) don't know what you're on about. Most people re-offend because they are habitual criminals and don't know anything else. They have limited education and no skills. They are usually brought up in environments where going to prison is relatively normal.


Besides, this is irrlevant. We're talking about a guy who has shown he wants to get a legit job and you want to deny him.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by red+black
shouldn't be on the show. simple.

Why?

And please adress the issue of giving convicted criminals no incentive to go straight.

 

[bluechampion]

stupidity.

As I understand it, he was charged with drug offences. Being an accessory before the fact in the case of some amphetamine manufacturing.

He served six months before the trial, and that was deemed long enough. By a judge.

Matter closed.

That's how the judicial system works. You commit a crime, you are punished, and then the slate is wiped clean because you have paid your debt to society.

It's not as if he is (or ever was, in fact) curently selling drugs to children. He's just a normal guy.

The narrow-mindeness of those who think he shouldn't be on 'The Block' is astounding.

I wish him the best of luck.

 

[jacqui9]

Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by bunsen burner
a) Although most offenders re-offend, we can't deny the the opportunity to rehab
b) He's got a legit job, and you are panning him for it. You want it taken away from him. You're an idiot.

You are the idiot. I might go kill someone, or rob a bank or shoplift. Then the tax payers can pay for my rehabilitation, my uni course, my television in my cell etc....Better still I might end up
on telly.

As I said BB, I know how the system works. So dont feed me your crap. As far as I am concerned people lose privileges when they committ a crime that hurts people within our society. I dont care what other legal job he gets- but the line should be drawn at becoming a national celebrity.

You are a softc*ck BB. So until you know how it all works - take your inexperienced social worker rubbish elsewhere.

 

[jacqui9]

What time in prison????. Most prisioners are like friggin holiday homes.

Oh and my dad does have a clue BB.

Legit job - yeah I committed a crime - put me on TV

 

[red+black]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by jacqui9
the line should be drawn at becoming a national celebrity.

Agree with that. There are millions of other ppl that could have been selected. Maybe we should let this **** become PM. Where does it stop?

Most ppl can get through life without committing a felony or being convicted and imprisoned. Crims get it too easy.

 

[Z_K]

I don't have any real knowledge of the corrections system. I have had exeperience in the employment field however.

Most people who have spent a good number of years in prison do not have anything to offer an employer in terms of skills and experience. That is bad enough, but when you add on some prison time on top, who the **** is going to go out of the way to give them a job?

So the bloke sits at home with no money, busting his arse to get a job without success, what does he do? The only thing he has ever done with any type of success (apart from the getting caught bit....) is illegal. Then he has a decision to make.

Is jail that bad that he can't possibly take the chance to get some money in his pocket? It takes mind blowing guts for a non-skilled bloke to stay out of jail after his first trip and make a legal living IMO.

 

[jacqui9]

True NorthBoy - but I draw the line at letting a convicted criminal making himself a national celebrity on television.

 

[skilts]

Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Different issue. Chopper is profiting from his crimes.

Totally agree with all you've written Bunsen, with the exception of this statement.

There is no evidence that Chopper is still profiting from crime. What is incontestable is that he is benefitting from WRITING ABOUT his and other people's crimes. He gets the money from writing, and latterly art, not crime.

The reason he is making money from these activities is that the ordinary punter gets a vicarious thrill from reading about a netherworld of which they have no knowledge. Chopper allows these people to have the inside info. they seek, without the risks involved. If there is any blame to be assigned for Chopper's success, and I'm in no way certain there is, it surely resides with the buyers of his books and art?

 

[jacqui9]

Originally posted by NorthBhoy
I don't have any real knowledge of the corrections system. I have had exeperience in the employment field however.

Most people who have spent a good number of years in prison do not have anything to offer an employer in terms of skills and experience. That is bad enough, but when you add on some prison time on top, who the **** is going to go out of the way to give them a job?
.

When prisoners have nearly served their time, they are taken to the PreRelease Centre. They are sent to TAFE to complete courses in Welding, Engineering etc.... and have to return to the Centre by a certain time. A majority of trades will take them on. Most prisoners are assisted in obtaining work with many organisations being part of employment schemes for former inmates.

I have no worries with a former criminal finding work. The issue I have is someone getting celebrity status out of it.

So instead of calling me an idiot BB, just accept that that is what I think.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by jacqui9
True NorthBoy - but I draw the line at letting a convicted criminal making himself a national celebrity on television.

why?

how different is it to letting a crim bake your bread, or prepare any of your food?

or park your car?

or any of a thousand jobs that impact directly on your person?

If someone has served their time, and is trying to make a go of it, why not give them the opportunity?

 

[bunsen burner]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by jacqui9

As I said BB, I know how the system works.

No you don't. You don't have a clue.

As far as I am concerned people lose privileges when they committ a crime that hurts people within our society.

Yes, for the time that they are imprisoned - not for the rest of their lives.

I dont care what other legal job he gets- but the line should be drawn at becoming a national celebrity.

National celebrity? Oh please.

You are a softc*ck BB. So until you know how it all works - take your inexperienced social worker rubbish elsewhere.

Social worker? Where did you get that from?


Jacqass - please address this issue:

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO ENCOURAGE CRIMINALS TO GO BACK TO CRIME BY DENYING THEM JOBS THAT POSE NO RISK TO THEM REOFFENDING?

 

[jacqui9]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dani Bacha - The Block

Originally posted by bunsen burner
No you don't. You don't have a clue.


Yes, for the time that they are imprisoned - not for the rest of their lives.

National celebrity? Oh please.

Social worker? Where did you get that from?


Jacqass - please address this issue:

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO ENCOURAGE CRIMINALS TO GO BACK TO CRIME BY DENYING THEM JOBS THAT POSE NO RISK TO THEM REOFFENDING?

WTF SHOULD HE BE ON TELEVISION? OF COURSE HE IS GOING TO BECOME A CELEBRITY.

Geez, give me a break.

 

[noogie_da_sheep]

Originally posted by red+black
will there be a lesbian couple this time, or another token gay couple? or heaven forbid, 4 heterosexual couples? what about a single mother with 2 kids via IVF?

....and get them to renovate jail cells

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by jacqui9
What time in prison????. Most prisioners are like friggin holiday homes.

Now you're embarrassing yourself.

Prisoners have next to no rights, have limited choice in what they can eat, have little contact with their family and friends, are confined to space, and locked in a cell each night.

You're a fool of the highest order.