Daniel Rich: Possible Eagle in 2012?

[88mph]

Consider this my reply, as it pretty much covered it haha:



I don't mind if it's overpaying, I don't like Ebert (Voss does though) and Smith I have a hunch will leave soon anyway, plus the sweetener was meant to be a Lynch/Nicoski/3rd pick if they wanted it

First round on it's own wouldn't do it IMO.

Is there any truth/proof to this professed man love that Voss has for Ebert?

 

[getgaff]

I guess there is not chance it is just a case of Rich's manager beating up his contract price.

Who is his manager, any past form?

Dont know if its a feciousious question but i believe it is Connors. He has ticks in the past form column

 

[Coast_Watch]

I still can't see why we would want Rich that badly that we would even want to swap any of Masten, Ebert or S Selwood for him. I think WA people tend to overrate Rich quite a bit. Rich's achievements as the No 2/3/4 in a mature aged mid-field and within a mature aged side are hardly outstanding. Anyone remember Des Headland ?

 

[ziad]

Dont know if its a feciousious question but i believe it is Connors. He has ticks in the past form column

Possibly rhetorical, but your response is spot on.

 

[new breed]

I still can't see why we would want Rich that badly that we would even want to swap any of Masten, Ebert or S Selwood for him. I think WA people tend to overrate Rich quite a bit. Rich's achievements as the No 2/3/4 in a mature aged mid-field and within a mature aged side are hardly outstanding. Anyone remember Des Headland ?

Dont agree ,....

Gee Whiz I dont know what to say


I would like to keep those players you mentioned but Rich is a cut above in skills , leadership and someone West Coast will do whatever they can to pick up .

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I still can't see why we would want Rich that badly that we would even want to swap any of Masten, Ebert or S Selwood for him. I think WA people tend to overrate Rich quite a bit. Rich's achievements as the No 2/3/4 in a mature aged mid-field and within a mature aged side are hardly outstanding. Anyone remember Des Headland ?

Headland was never number 2/3/4 - more like 6 or 7.

The benefit of getting Rich over another rookie is that it puts another player in our team in that 21 age bracket which is where our team is at.

Also - Rich isn't a pea heart - he gets contested ball - perhaps he doesn't get enough loose ball, but that can be worked on.

I'm with you in that I don't think he is a must have - I'd rather wait until we are closer to a top 4 berth and then trade for the hole we have in our team - a bit like we did with the Stenglein trade.

Having a look at that 2004 year - we smashed that draft. Twas a pretty poor crop and Hawthorn did well at the pointy end - but we walked away with LeCras, Stenglein and Rosa

 

[INSANE]

I still can't see why we would want Rich that badly that we would even want to swap any of Masten, Ebert or S Selwood for him. I think WA people tend to overrate Rich quite a bit. Rich's achievements as the No 2/3/4 in a mature aged mid-field and within a mature aged side are hardly outstanding. Anyone remember Des Headland ?

Nothing like Headland, and he's 20 years old so finding week in week out consistency (in a shit team) will be difficult. Is obviously going to be a star (close now) and I'd happily give up Ebert/Masten and our first pick for him as he's class personified.

Imagine a midfield in a few years of: Nat, Shuey, Rich, Scooter and Gaff.

 

[Lach72]

Headland was never number 2/3/4 - more like 6 or 7.

The benefit of getting Rich over another rookie is that it puts another player in our team in that 21 age bracket which is where our team is at.

Also - Rich isn't a pea heart - he gets contested ball - perhaps he doesn't get enough loose ball, but that can be worked on.

I'm with you in that I don't think he is a must have - I'd rather wait until we are closer to a top 4 berth and then trade for the hole we have in our team - a bit like we did with the Stenglein trade.

Having a look at that 2004 year - we smashed that draft. Twas a pretty poor crop and Hawthorn did well at the pointy end - but we walked away with LeCras, Stenglein and Rosa

Dessie was always behind Voss, Lappin, Akermanis, Power and Black...But geez he played well

His 2002 was awesome. 34.24 from 19 games.
Including 6 straight against Carlton and 5.3 against Melbourne in consecutive weeks.

But in the Prelim against Port:
http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=1757&Code=95b1fd3a00988baeead214a288e7fd65
It was a misnomer to say he didn;t go hard though for Brissy...he went when it was his time...but with those guys above, it's no shame to be 6th banana
I think we only saw this stuff once or twice the whole time he was with us

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Dessie was always behind Voss, Lappin, Akermanis, Power and Black...But geez he played well

His 2002 was awesome. 34.24 from 19 games.
Including 6 straight against Carlton and 5.3 against Melbourne in consecutive weeks.

But in the Prelim against Port:
http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=1757&Code=95b1fd3a00988baeead214a288e7fd65
It was a misnomer to say he didn;t go hard though for Brissy...he went when it was his time...but with those guys above, it's no shame to be 6th banana
I think we only saw this stuff once or twice the whole time he was with us

It's pretty easy to play good football when you don't have an opponent.

The reason he rarely showed it for your mob was because he got paid attention - and it was something he couldn't shake.

One of the best games (heart wise) i saw De play for your mob was in 2009 (I think) against Geelong. He had a quad injury and could barely kick or run (something i can sympathise with) yet he went bloody hard, tackling shepherding, bringing the ball to ground, and spent the day getting the ball to the runers. Tis a pity he didn't do that for the rest of his time - he had the talent - not the heart

 

[The Passenger]

I still can't see why we would want Rich that badly that we would even want to swap any of Masten, Ebert or S Selwood for him. I think WA people tend to overrate Rich quite a bit. Rich's achievements as the No 2/3/4 in a mature aged mid-field and within a mature aged side are hardly outstanding. Anyone remember Des Headland ?

I would take Rich for any of those lads in a heart beat. But i doubt the club will want to lose them after putting in development but it may have to be.

It will be interesting to see at years end. we will have to lose something to get him.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Is there any truth/proof to this professed man love that Voss has for Ebert?

Voss was in charge of Ebert and co when he coached the AIS, he saw him as a future captain of an AFL club.

 

[Suma Magic]

Would trade Ebert and pick 8 for rich at the drop of a hat. Ebert won't go though.

Would trade first (8 or below) and second round picks for Rich. Hopefully he wouldn't need to be that expensive.

He's class. His quality of disposal is something we need badly.

Opportunities to trade for quality homesick players don't come around often. If it does, we should go for it, we'll be able to better Freos offer if we finish lower.

 

[Lach72]

If Barlow comes back anywhere near his best I'd doubt we'd go for him.
Clark would be more our go I'd say.
Mobile forward/ruck.
If something like this happened: Palmer got traded for something like Jaeger (if such a thing could happen), then our first round say pick 26 or whatever could go to Brisbane for Clark...as if...
Get a great young midfield prospect and a proven versatile big man...
Then again we may just hold tight and keep building from the bottom

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I don't get the Mitch Clark love to be honest - i certainly don't what he's done to be 'proven'

Has done nothing to show that he can play up forward - barely kicked a goal. He kicked as many goals as Naitanui last year - without injury - and as a key forward for a large portion of the year

Played a season really well in the ruck - but with Sandi dominating there - he's going to be just as under utilised as he is with Brissie and Leuenberger

For all the crap Tom Hawkins cops - he's a mile ahead of Clark in terms of being a goal kicker

 

[Obeanie1]

What it will take is what the highest bidder will pay and if Rich wants to play there.

GWS get him Lions get a end of first round pick so say pick 20 next year.

Freo offer their first rounder, likely to be higher than ours.

Our first rounder likely will be around 6,8,10 or 12 ish.

6 or 8 is a decent outcome for the Lions and so so for us.

Pick 12 is so so for the Lions, better for us.

But both are better than GWS and a lower pick than Freo.

If players come into the equation Ebert + our first pick is paying overs, Port would cough up their first rounder for him.

Smith I could live with and he would add pace on a wing for the Lions.

Wilson if he had a half decent year could also interest the Lions, especially if they lose Clark. Then again if they lose Clark they would enquire about Lycett IMO, which we would be silly to entertain.

Pick 12 + Smith / Wilson would be a fair outcome all round IMO.

 

[WCE_phil]

I think rich would get tier a tier 2 pick for brisbane tbh if he goes to GWS. If that were to happen we'd have to at least beat a pick around 5-10. It will take at least our first rounder and a player imo unless he is injured all year or something similar.

 

[Suma Magic]

There is no way port would offer a first rounder for Ebert. I said in the midst of last weeks game "eberts value peaks mid-week, and dips during games". He was deadset woeful, as he often is. Hopefully he can turn it around this year.

 

[neng]

Seeing as he is out of contract, if he really wants to play for us then he could just threaten to walk and take his chances on the draft? Clubs have generally been polite when a player wants to move somewhere. Melbourne threatened to take Ball just so Collingwood would use their first pick, that worked. But I would say a first rounder would get it done to be honest, if the Lions want any more than that they will have to make good with one of our depth players, I would call that even. As said previously Wilson, Smith, I would even entertain Butler, JoJo or Schofield. I think it is Brown v Schofield in the back half and Brown just wins that for me.

 

[tesseract]

As a general rule: Don't trade talls for smalls.

WC's depth in talls would disappear if any one of our current talls were traded. We need to consider the fact that Glass doesn't have long left. So to trade Schofield would leave WC short on talls, especially after the retirement of Glass. Injuries often occur too, which would put more pressure on the team due to lack of depth. Development time on a replacement tall that would need to be drafted must be considered too. 4 years, and only now is EMac, Schofield and Brown just coming into their own. These things must be considered before chucking hard to replace talls names into the trading mix.

 

[Coast_Watch]

I'm with you in that I don't think he is a must have - I'd rather wait until we are closer to a top 4 berth and then trade for the hole we have in our team - a bit like we did with the Stenglein trade.

Having a look at that 2004 year - we smashed that draft. Twas a pretty poor crop and Hawthorn did well at the pointy end - but we walked away with LeCras, Stenglein and Rosa

I couldn't agree with you more on delaying until we are closer to top 4 and need to fill a specific hole. Perceptions of needs can change pretty rapidly over the course of one or two seasons.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Seeing as he is out of contract, if he really wants to play for us then he could just threaten to walk and take his chances on the draft? Clubs have generally been polite when a player wants to move somewhere. Melbourne threatened to take Ball just so Collingwood would use their first pick, that worked. But I would say a first rounder would get it done to be honest, if the Lions want any more than that they will have to make good with one of our depth players, I would call that even. As said previously Wilson, Smith, I would even entertain Butler, JoJo or Schofield. I think it is Brown v Schofield in the back half and Brown just wins that for me.

Ball lasted to 30 because no other club wanted him enough to pick him before then. He wouldn't have lasted forever just because Collingwood wanted him and he wanted to go there. Without knowing the depth of this year's draft, Rich would almost certainly go in the first round.

He is also very unlikely to screw over Brisbane, and it goes without saying that if he wanted to go to a particular club, the only way to secure that is by organising a trade.

 

[WCE_phil]

Speaking about this draft its the first one in a few years that i really aren't huge on the talent. Will be some good players in particular looking like a bumper crop for decent rucks/ combination ruck forwards but as far as depth i think it's really lacking. In depth terms and even the high end looks a lot more like the 07 draft rather than the '08 draft or even the '10 draft.

 

[dajesmac]

Naw, poor GWS.

 

[Patron]

Naw, poor GWS.

So true. Which team is better will almost solely come down to which team got the better draft year.

 

[WCE_phil]

So true. Which team is better will almost solely come down to which team got the better draft year.

I'd put money down that GC got a better draft year. But thats just my opinion.